whaler11
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No sh(t.
Well your post implies your lack of understanding as to why Miami didn't return the game.
No sh(t.
Every word of it is true. In the summer of 2002, while the BCS leadership was meeting to restructure itself, because #2 in the country after regular season Oregon, was left out of the national championship game, that pitted #1 Miami vs. #4 Nebraska (Nebraska was also NOT a conference champion - when Miami and Oregon were).....and Miami won. The Big 12, the Pac 10, the entire college football world was ready to scrap the BCS, and it's ranking systems, Miami was getting raked over the coals, because they were champions of the Big East - a supposedly weak conference, and Nebraska played the title game as a non-champion of the big 12, (hello texas/oklahoma) and Oregon at #2 sat out in the west and didn't play. As the BCS ranking systems were being restructured in meetings that summer....
Mike Tranghese was interviewed in the New York Times about the state of college football, the Big East conference position in it as the current reigning national champion AND the two year plan that Nike had sponsored to advertise Oregon football in New York City....asked quote" what to you think about advertising Oregon 3,000 miles away in the heart of Big East country?"
Tranghese' response, instead of defending his cnference champion and national title, and dumping on a BCS system that had put Nebraska into game instead of Oregon.......said.....I you not....
Well, I'm more concerned about the decision that St. JOhn's is making about the names on the backs of their players basketball jerseys."
Miami was gone to the ACC by spring 2003.
But that kind of leadership is all over now in the conference. The conference nearly died for it to happen. We have new leadership moving forward, and a whole new outlook, and a realistic grasp now on the intercollegiate landscape, unfortunate that it took so long, but once again, if not for the way the big east handled things over the years, UConn would still be at the level of our former new england partners in intercollegiate athletics.
Well your post implies your lack of understanding as to why Miami didn't return the game.
Do honestly think that Oregon's rise is tied to some billboard in NYC? For real?
People here live on false sense of bravado. It is many's reason for being.
You have the general concept right, but your simply wrong on the details...you win your way into the "big boy club" as you call it by winning football games...year after year. Getting to the point where 8-4 is considered a rebuilding year. It doesn't matter all that much who you play...Bosie State has done that, and Virginia Tech is the poster child for that approach. In fact, Beamer had a term for it...Scheduling for success...And while a regular season win against Michigan in September would be nice and exciting for UCONN fans, the wins you want are over name opponents in bowl games. The win over Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl is more important in boise being taken seriously than any 5 other wins they've had. Had UCONN somehow figured out a way to beat Oklahoma in our Fiesta Bowl trip, we'd be on a very different plane, and likely in a very different conference, right now.Some people on here are so beyond clueless, it's almost hard to fathom how they get out of the bed in the morning.
Nobody is advocating the game be voluntarily moved to Giants Stadium. We all want the game at The Rent. Stop insinuating that is the debate - it's not.
Michigan is either going to play us at The Rent, buy the game out, or try and work out an arrangement where we play at Giants Stadium.
It's not 'giving in' if we move the game to NYC. It will be making the best of the situation.
If Michigan says we'll buy you out for $2M or play at Giants Stadium, you have two options:
a) Play the 2nd most storied college football team in America, in NYC and have a nationally televised game.
or
b) Play Toledo at Rentschler Field on SNY.
For the absolute life of me I cannot fathom how a fan of UConn Football would select the ladder.
Again, how is playing Michigan in Giants Stadium "small time" and playing a home game vs. Toledo "big time" ? Swallow this false sense of bravado and just go out and do what's best for the program.
I haven't had season tickets as long as some of you ( only 8 years ) but guess what? If I 'have' to go to Giants Stadium and get to watch UConn take on Michigan instead of another boring game that does nothing for UConn's national brand - I'm going to be pretty pumped up about.
You win your way into the big boy club by beating name brand teams. Period.
This is an opportunity for that. In case you haven't been paying attention to the new scheduling arrangements between the 'big boys' and the new bowl lineups - these opportunities may come few and far between.
Had UCONN somehow figured out a way to beat Oklahoma in our Fiesta Bowl trip, we'd be on a very different plane, and likely in a very different conference, right now.
If Miami were in the conference when we were supposed to join in 2005, we would have gotten a home game on the schedule - conference home game. Sorry I didn't hold your hand on that conclusion.
here's the reason that UCONN, and Boise State for that matter, are different from Syracuse and Pittsburgh. VaTech got embarassed too, and Clemson got not just embarrassed but humiliated...But the difference is that UCONN and Boise State are virtual unknowns in the world of big time football. UCONN would have vaulted into the national consciousness as a football program with that win, just as Boise did with its win. But we have no history...Pitt, agains twhom we're 4-4 since joining the Big East, is being hailed as a great addition. Syracuse, agaisnt whom we're 6-2, is considered a good one. Yet on the field UCONN is at least as good, arguably with a higher upside than either one, certainly than Syracuse. As for why Boise State was skipped over in favor of Utah by the PAC, there are a host of reasons, including that Utah was seen as "or equal" due to its recent performances. And it was better located, had better fans and better markets, and frankly a far better institution.You were mostly right, but then you make a crazy statement like this.
Pitt got embarrassed in their BCS game, and Saracuse hasn't even sniffed one. If you were right about this, Louisville would have been invited to the ACC over Pitt or Cuse.
Cincy, Ville, UConn all have had more recent success by far than Cuse/Pitt but were not invited to the ACC. One BCS bowl win doesn't get you an invite.
And please don't bring up Utah or TCU. They both made a lot of sense in terms of market, performance, investment, etc, etc, etc. They weren't invited based on a singular BCS win. It took the Big East being decimated before we considered Boise State, and they were passed over for Utah by a conference that is a more natural fit. They also won their conference 9 out of the last 11 years.
Here's the thing - there was an chance of playing the SEC or Big12 champion in the current BCS model. Right now our champion is going to be playing the ACC #3 in the Champs Sports Bowl-which we'll share with ND.
Point being even if we do have a 10 win season we still be facing a 9-3 Georgia Tech as opposed to an 11-1 Texas or USC.
By all indications Michigan is going to be a pretty damn good team as Hoyke has turned the program around. Getting an opportunity to get on the field with a top 10 ranked blue blood program just isn't going to happen much with 9 game conf schedules and scheduling alliances between conferences.
And yet people would rather be tough guys and demand the buyout or nothing and play some no name school.
Beating Michigan in 2013 won't make UConn a national name in football. But you beat a top 25 ranked Michigan team anywhere it becomes the all time signature win in UConn Football history. Right now we have an unranked ND road win, a 7-5 USCe win, a ranked win vs USF and an unranked WVU win.
A ranked Michigan win trumps all of those! Yet people don't want to budge because apparently "scheduling for success" wins vs Kent State are more important and being tough guys with our contract mean more to them.
:Here's the thing - there was an chance of playing the SEC or Big12 champion in the current BCS model. Right now our champion is going to be playing the ACC #3 in the Champs Sports Bowl-which we'll share with ND.
Point being even if we do have a 10 win season we still be facing a 9-3 Georgia Tech as opposed to an 11-1 Texas or USC.
By all indications Michigan is going to be a pretty damn good team as Hoyke has turned the program around. Getting an opportunity to get on the field with a top 10 ranked blue blood program just isn't going to happen much with 9 game conf schedules and scheduling alliances between conferences.
And yet people would rather be tough guys and demand the buyout or nothing and play some no name school.
Beating Michigan in 2013 won't make UConn a national name in football. But you beat a top 25 ranked Michigan team anywhere it becomes the all time signature win in UConn Football history. Right now we have an unranked ND road win, a 7-5 USCe win, a ranked win vs USF and an unranked WVU win.
A ranked Michigan win trumps all of those! Yet people don't want to budge because apparently "scheduling for success" wins vs Kent State are more important and being tough guys with our contract mean more to them.
Do honestly think that Oregon's rise is tied to some billboard in NYC? For real?
Michigan must be made to honor its contract and play the game at Rentscheler. The game is TOO important to the perception of UConn football to ignore how damaging this would be. If need be-take it to court. Hopefully some judge will have the fortitude to compel Michigan to honor its agreement or endure a extremely stiff remedy, for example:
Michigan can either play UConn at Rentschler Field on that date or NOT PLAY at all. The game would be forfeited to UConn with the following stipulations: 1.) UConn could go about scheduling a replacement game (giving them a shot at 13 regular season wins and a guarantee of no worse than a 1-12 record) AND Michigan would furthermore be prohibited from scheduling a replacement twelvth game. Bottom line for the Wolverines . . . play UConn at Rentschler or forfeit the game and be restricted to an 11 game regular season that year. How bad could a trip to East Hartford be.
The only exception to this should be IF Michigan uses its "clout" and gets UConn a BiG Ten acceptance in return for UConn voluntarily agreeing to allow them to opt out of the commitment. Then . . . they'll have to come to East Hartford every few years anyway.
Well then maybe Uconn can ask Vermont to reinstate football and get that whole Yankee Conference thing going again. This whole business is so not what people were led to believe way back when UConn was trying to generate support for upgrading. People were not jumping at the vision of UConn v Western Michigan or UConn v Kent State. UConn may need to get some Orrin Hatch types (worked for Utah) that will lobby congress hard to look into all this nonsense if the Huskies can't get a better crack at becoming a legitmate D-1/BCS-esque program. And for its part, Congress would do well to spend less time on whether Bobby Bonds's and Mark Mac's (of the A's) records were steriod induce or should not be allowed to count because poor old Hank Aaron didn't use 'em and spend time on a growing oligopoly TV and a shrinking number of college programs.
Michigan must be made to honor its contract and play the game at Rentscheler. The game is TOO important to the perception of UConn football to ignore how damaging this would be. If need be-take it to court. Hopefully some judge will have the fortitude to compel Michigan to honor its agreement or endure a extremely stiff remedy, for example:
Michigan can either play UConn at Rentschler Field on that date or NOT PLAY at all. The game would be forfeited to UConn with the following stipulations: 1.) UConn could go about scheduling a replacement game (giving them a shot at 13 regular season wins and a guarantee of no worse than a 1-12 record) AND Michigan would furthermore be prohibited from scheduling a replacement twelvth game. Bottom line for the Wolverines . . . play UConn at Rentschler or forfeit the game and be restricted to an 11 game regular season that year. How bad could a trip to East Hartford be.
The only exception to this should be IF Michigan uses its "clout" and gets UConn a BiG Ten acceptance in return for UConn voluntarily agreeing to allow them to opt out of the commitment. Then . . . they'll have to come to East Hartford every few years anyway.
I will bet you a week's pay that the remedies you propose are not anywhere in the document that defines the agreement between the two schools, and I don't think UCONN is going to be allowed to add them. It seems pretty simple really. If MI decides it doesn't want to play at the Rent, UCONN gets paid. That's the only remedy available to UCONN, unless I'm missing something.
As far as "perception" is concerned, the result might be devastating for UCONN. The talking heads, at least those outside a 50-mike radius from UCONN (doesn't include ESPN) are almost guaranteed to provide an MI spin. Tell me. When have the opinion makers to the rubes ever given UCONN FB the benefit of the doubt?
Huh? What bowl lineup are you looking at?
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Why is it being a tough guy to say : we wrote a contract which requires Uconn to perform 1st (which it did) and now you need to perform per the contract? Michigan has a choice, play at Uconn home field of pay $2mm. Seems pretty easy for Michigan to decide and Uconn needs to just wait for the "by" date to see what it needs to do. Would Michigan be acting like a tough guy by saying either play in NYC or we buy you out?
Would you as Uconn have signed a contract with Michigan to play there and then in NYC instead of the contract signed?
Winning one game doesn't make you a force in football, winning consistently does. If Uconn is good enough to beat a good Michigan team next year there should be plenty of notches on Uconn's belt for 2013, if not, who cares if upset a big name school and then go 3-4 in the BE (sounds like USF the year they beat Auburn).
Congress should be involved because UConn signed a contract that gave Michigan a buy out right? Congress should be involved because UConn can't develop a passing game? Are you o.k?
Somehow we have to find a way to play Michigan next year. We've already traded West Virginia for Temple on this year's sked. I wouldn't want to move the game from the Rent but maybe there's a solution where they pay half the buyout and we get a larger share of the gate than we normally would. I hope this crap doesn't happen when Tenn. is supposed to come here. Why wouldn't it happen? With this whole Michigan crap, why wouldn't Tenn want NYC over East Hartford. Hell any big time program on the schedule (that includes Maryland, NC State) would be foolish to ever come to East Hartford with that line of thinking.
If it's good for the program I don't mind playing one NY or Gillette 'home' game a year. Because UConn will always be doing this for the marquee games on their schedule with only the poor Buffalos, Temples and Western Michigans having to slum it in East Hartford. Geez) There's a lot of ND hatred on this board - for both good and bad reasons - but we should have kept the deal and it was dumb that pride got in the way. You can say ND is irrelevant and greedy and has disproportionate power until your face turns green and gold, but it's undeniable an ongoing series would have improved the perception of this program nationally. Beating them has done little as it turns out for UConn (Big East falling apart, Michigan now opting out)
BTW biz law, I do want Congress to get involved, not with this but with the whole big time FB thing. I am totally in agreement with you. You're the atty, but I think there's a ton of cartel/antitrust issues at play.