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tzznandrew said:
Dude, if they take Butler, VCU, and someone else, those schools have more Final Fours in the last 5 years than just about any other conference: Butler x2, Georgetown, Villanova, VCU.

I don't know why people keep downplaying their success...
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G'town and Nova were IN the BE! This is my point.

Then you have to hang your hat on VCU and Butler!
 
tzznandrew said:
Dude, if they take Butler, VCU, and someone else, those schools have more Final Fours in the last 5 years than just about any other conference: Butler x2, Georgetown, Villanova, VCU.

I don't know why people keep downplaying their success...
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Add Xavier to that list. Maybe no FF, but damned good. Creighton is too. I'm also assuming that there is a shot we go with them, and play FB in the NNBE or whatever it will be as before. So add UConn and Cinci to the list and it's an amazing league.
 
tzznandrew said:
Dude, if they take Butler, VCU, and someone else, those schools have more Final Fours in the last 5 years than just about any other conference: Butler x2, Georgetown, Villanova, VCU.

I don't know why people keep downplaying their success...
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Can I just ask, who is tuning in to watch a Butler, VCU, Xavier, Seton Hall, DePaul, Providence, or St Johns game? What do these schools expect to get $$ wise? This is all about the dollars so who's paying for that? Will it nab more than what will be left? Sure but just imagine what having UConn and UC would add to that deal? I just don't get it.

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UCFBfan said:
Can I just ask, who is tuning in to watch a Butler, VCU, Xavier, Seton Hall, DePaul, Providence, or St Johns game? What do these schools expect to get $$ wise? This is all about the dollars so who's paying for that? Will it nab more than what will be left? Sure but just imagine what having UConn and UC would add to that deal? I just don't get it.

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If Georgetown and Butler are ranked, I'd turn it on. I love basketball.
 
UCFBfan said:
Can I just ask, who is tuning in to watch a Butler, VCU, Xavier, Seton Hall, DePaul, Providence, or St Johns game? What do these schools expect to get $$ wise? This is all about the dollars so who's paying for that? Will it nab more than what will be left? Sure but just imagine what having UConn and UC would add to that deal? I just don't get it.

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Who says that they won't add UConn and Cinci to the deal? They want to avoid the Florida schools, TX schools, and Tulane. That's the real question here, play FB and olympics with the FB schools, or just football.
 
Can I just ask, who is tuning in to watch a Butler, VCU, Xavier, Seton Hall, DePaul, Providence, or St Johns game? What do these schools expect to get $$ wise? This is all about the dollars so who's paying for that? Will it nab more than what will be left? Sure but just imagine what having UConn and UC would add to that deal? I just don't get it.

Probably a lot more people than who would tune in to watch UCF and UCONN play football..
 
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tzznandrew said:
Dude, if they take Butler, VCU, and someone else, those schools have more Final Fours in the last 5 years than just about any other conference: Butler x2, Georgetown, Villanova, VCU.

I don't know why people keep downplaying their success...
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Exactly. The entire concept is to return to the roots that built the BE, basketball schools with common interests. Rest comfortably that UCONN and Cincy won't be included in the move.
 
chiller99 said:
Can I just ask, who is tuning in to watch a Butler, VCU, Xavier, Seton Hall, DePaul, Providence, or St Johns game? What do these schools expect to get $$ wise? This is all about the dollars so who's paying for that? Will it nab more than what will be left? Sure but just imagine what having UConn and UC would add to that deal? I just don't get it.

Probably a lot more people than who would tune in to watch UCF and UCONN play football..
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What are the stakes? If Duke was playing Kentucky, but both were 0-12, no one but their fans would watch. If a highly ranked Butler is playing a highly ranked Xavier, and it's easily available, I'd watch.
 
ilikebattlins said:
Exactly. The entire concept is to return to the roots that built the BE, basketball schools with common interests. Rest comfortably that UCONN and Cincy won't be included in the move.
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Back then, schools like Holy Cross, St. Joseph's, Xavier were just as viable as the Catholics that went to the BE. If any of those 3 had joined the BE, they could have had similar success to those that did join and gained a lot of notoriety from scheduling games against the likes of Uconn, Syracuse and even Louisville. You're going now into a situation where YOU are the next St. Joseph's or Xavier. I hope UConn has better things in its future, because I certainly don't want to see the school's bball fall into that hellhole.

That hellhole for you may be an upgrade. Not for Uconn.
 
tzznandrew said:
Dude, if they take Butler, VCU, and someone else, those schools have more Final Fours in the last 5 years than just about any other conference: Butler x2, Georgetown, Villanova, VCU.

I don't know why people keep downplaying their success...
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Marquette is not an elite program. This is not really debatable. Just after the third UConn championship people were still debating if UConn was elite, though people seem to agree it is now.

They are a good program, sure. Not elite.

Being called elite in college basketball is reserved for a few programs, Marquette is not one of them.
 
caw said:
Marquette is not an elite program. This is not really debatable. Just after the third UConn championship people were still debating if UConn was elite, though people seem to agree it is now.

They are a good program, sure. Not elite.

Being called elite in college basketball is reserved for a few programs, Marquette is not one of them.
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They don't need to be elite. No conference needs a bunch of "elite" squads.

SEC has Kentucky. Florida is debatable. The end.

ACC had UNC and Duke.

B1G had who, exactly? Michigan State?

B12 had Kansas.

That's it. So a conference with a bunch of really successful schools is going to be just fine.
 
upstater said:
Back then, schools like Holy Cross, St. Joseph's, Xavier were just as viable as the Catholics that went to the BE. If any of those 3 had joined the BE, they could have had similar success to those that did join and gained a lot of notoriety from scheduling games against the likes of Uconn, Syracuse and even Louisville. You're going now into a situation where YOU are the next St. Joseph's or Xavier. I hope UConn has better things in its future, because I certainly don't want to see the school's bball fall into that hellhole.

That hellhole for you may be an upgrade. Not for Uconn.
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At this point, it appears anywhere UCONN lands will be an upgrade. Comical how your president was publicly begging to hold the league together until she could find somewhere else to land. Unfortunately the music has stopped and UCONN appears to be holding its pud.
 
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caw said:
Marquette is not an elite program. This is not really debatable. Just after the third UConn championship people were still debating if UConn was elite, though people seem to agree it is now.

They are a good program, sure. Not elite.

Being called elite in college basketball is reserved for a few programs, Marquette is not one of them.
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And what was Marquette doing languishing in CUSA?

By the way, CUSA probably had better bball back then than did this glorified version of the A10.

Go back to 1995-2005, I think I'd take Memphis, Louisville, Cincy over Georgetown, St. John's, Villanova.
 
ilikebattlins said:
At this point, it appears anywhere UCONN lands will be an upgrade. Comical how your president was publicly begging to hold the league together until she could find somewhere else to land. Unfortunately the music has stopped and UCONN appears to be holding its pud.
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The begging report was false. Looking forward to your third post.
 
upstater said:
And what was Marquette doing languishing in CUSA?

By the way, CUSA probably had better bball back then than did this glorified version of the A10.

Go back to 1995-2005, I think I'd take Memphis, Louisville, Cincy over Georgetown, St. John's, Villanova.
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They did make a Final Four from CUSA. That's why.

Louisville is better than any team in the CYO. But Cincy isn't. Certainly Memphis is not.
 
ilikebattlins said:
At this point, it appears anywhere UCONN lands will be an upgrade. Comical how your president was publicly begging to hold the league together until she could find somewhere else to land. Unfortunately the music has stopped and UCONN appears to be holding its pud.
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If you think the music has stopped in this dance you haven't a clue.
 
Someone actually used the word "pud" here. Thats the kind of education you get when your English teacher is a Nun.
 
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Scenarios not discussed: St John's Villanova and Georgetown join the ACC in all sports but football.
Aresco adds 6 new basketball schools.
BE adds two more Catholic Schools and a provision to always have the same number of basketball and Football schools
 
chiller99 said:
Can I just ask, who is tuning in to watch a Butler, VCU, Xavier, Seton Hall, DePaul, Providence, or St Johns game? What do these schools expect to get $$ wise? This is all about the dollars so who's paying for that? Will it nab more than what will be left? Sure but just imagine what having UConn and UC would add to that deal? I just don't get it.

Probably a lot more people than who would tune in to watch UCF and UCONN play football..
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Given the fact that UCF is the second largest school in the United States, and UConn is the flaghip university for an entire State, I sincerely doubt that...
 
tzznandrew said:
They did make a Final Four from CUSA. That's why.

Louisville is better than any team in the CYO. But Cincy isn't. Certainly Memphis is not.
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I take Cincy over each and every one of them. For much of my basketball life, a Marquette was something I once heard about--sorry, not old enough to know about Al Maguire.
 
RS9999X said:
Scenarios not discussed: St John's Villanova and Georgetown join the ACC in all sports but football.
Aresco adds 6 new basketball schools.
BE adds two more Catholic Schools and a provision to always have the same number of basketball and Football schools
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As bad as this nightmare is becoming, I can't see why we'd go back to a hybrid conference if the bball only schools do leave. It's how this mess was started. Why lay the groundwork for it to happen again by inviting 6 new bball schools who probably aren't as good as the ones leaving.

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ilikebattlins said:
At this point, it appears anywhere UCONN lands will be an upgrade. Comical how your president was publicly begging to hold the league together until she could find somewhere else to land. Unfortunately the music has stopped and UCONN appears to be holding its pud.
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Let's see how your little puppy gets along without 3-time champion UConn.
 
upstater said:
I take Cincy over each and every one of them. For much of my basketball life, a Marquette was something I once heard about--sorry, not old enough to know about Al Maguire.
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Cincy has been to the Final Four once since 1965. They haven't been to the Elite 8 since 1996. We're not talking about a power-house here.

Marquette isn't a powerhouse. But I don't see how somehow Cincy is significantly better.
 
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tzznandrew said:
Cincy has been to the Final Four once since 1965. They haven't been to the Elite 8 since 1996. We're not talking about a power-house here.

Marquette isn't a powerhouse. But I don't see how somehow Cincy is significantly better.
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Cincy has advantages.
 
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