Small ray of sunshine- MSU AD says Big Ten will expand, cites East Coast

[Pudge]

There seems to be a sentiment by some on this board that CR is done or done for a long time. I just don't see it that way. What it will ultimately mean for UCONN is another matter and after the ACC/Louisville debacle I take nothing for granted. But, there is little doubt that more is coming and I don't think it's that far off (year?).

I thought CR was done on November 1. It ain't. There are a few more layers to this Onion.

 

[Marty Jackson]

I think that it says the old Big Ten teams like the fertile exposure of the east, and that they all want to play in that sandbox.

If any western teams were added (missouri/Kansas), that sandbox got a lot more inaccessible. Kind of like Utah, Colorado nixing any decision to add Oklahoma/Oklahoma State. This is good for UConn because my map says that UConn is firmly in the east, is contiguous with, and has quantifiable penetration into, the largest media market in the country, and is a perfect gateway into southern New England. It is also great to see that the AD's see the value of the east coast and are actually giving it the premium many of us think that it deserves.

Now, the important question is it east east, like the northeast, or generic east, to include the southeast. But so far, these comments do not preclude UConn, and that alone gives us a reason to believe UConn is still on the radar.

I think that it says the old Big Ten teams like the fertile exposure of the east, and that they all want to play in that sandbox.

If any western teams were added (missouri/Kansas), that sandbox got a lot more inaccessible. Kind of like Utah, Colorado nixing any decision to add Oklahoma/Oklahoma State. This is good for UConn because my map says that UConn is firmly in the east, is contiguous with, and has quantifiable penetration into, the largest media market in the country, and is a perfect gateway into southern New England. It is also great to see that the AD's see the value of the east coast and are actually giving it the premium many of us think that it deserves.

Now, the important question is it east east, like the northeast, or generic east, to include the southeast. But so far, these comments do not preclude UConn, and that alone gives us a reason to believe UConn is still on the radar.

Imagine the boost in popularity college football would get in the northeast if Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin and Nebraska made the trek every year to NJ or CT...

 

[UConn Dan]

isn't it saying the divisions will be divided geographically? as opposed to that the potential additions will be added geographically?

Right. He's debating which division MSU should be in. Not talking about expansion candidates. At least that's my interpretation.

The ray of sunshine is that there will be more expansion and likely teams will be added with Rutgers and Maryland.

 

[Huskyforlife]

IMHO this could be real good for uconn

 

[jostar1]

In a prior story, Hollis said that expansion isn't being talked about in the Big 10.

In this story which mentions "and perhaps two more schools by then", and "more expansion is expected", it's not clear where that comes from. Might just be the writer's speculation.

 

[homunculus]

By no definition is Texas part of the East Coast.

Right. That was my point. Texas has a coastline which faces eastward and is part of a line that marks the boundary between land and water stretching all the way up to Maine. That doesn't make it "East Coast." As has been stated several times in this thread, neither are Georgia or Florida. "East Coast" is Boston to Washington, centered on New York City. In the parlance of our times.

 

[WestHartHusk]

Right. That was my point. Texas has a coastline which faces eastward and is part of a line that marks the boundary between land and water stretching all the way up to Maine. That doesn't make it "East Coast." As has been stated several times in this thread, neither are Georgia or Florida. "East Coast" is Boston to Washington, centered on New York City. In the parlance of our times.

I am liking all use of "parlance" today.

 

[frankthetank]

isn't it saying the divisions will be divided geographically? as opposed to that the potential additions will be added geographically?

isn't it saying the divisions will be divided geographically? as opposed to that the potential additions will be added geographically?

This is the correct interpretation. Hollis is talking about the value of the East Coast in terms of MSU specifically being in a division. It has nothing to with expansion at all.

 

[Rumrunner]

I'm still struggling to see how low post interlopers and nonuconn realignment gurus miss the entire tenor of a uconn centric thread.

Where did anyone in this thread say that hollis said east coast additions? It is clear that reference was made to east coast divisions, and how that exposure was desireable to schools. The supposition was then drawn that midwest schools all would want in on the east coast pie, so to introduce say, eg Kansas or Missouri, would frustrate that goal.

Since that is a rational theory, and since the article referenced likely additions, by process of elimination that would be good for UConn, since well, UConn is on the east coast. Further, since east coast exposure is desireable, what defines east coast? There was discussion on that. In sum, you guys can repeat yourselves in a funhouse echo chamber, but read and comprehend what is written first. That goes a long way in making your words a bit more sufferable.

 

[sportsart]

I'm still struggling to see how low post interlopers and nonuconn realignment gurus miss the entire tenor of a uconn centric thread.

Where did anyone in this thread say that hollis said east coast additions? It is clear that reference was made to east coast divisions, and how that exposure was desireable to schools. The supposition was then drawn that midwest schools all would want in on the east coast pie, so to introduce say, eg Kansas or Missouri, would frustrate that goal.

Since that is a rational theory, and since the article referenced likely additions, by process of elimination that would be good for UConn, since well, UConn is on the east coast. Further, since east coast exposure is desireable, what defines east coast? There was discussion on that. In sum, you guys can repeat yourselves in a funhouse echo chamber, but read and comprehend what is written first. That goes a long way in making your words a bit more sufferable.

Interlopers, centric, tenor, supposition, rational theory, eg, and sufferable.

Were you working on your thesis and then switched over to the BY without shifting mind gears?

Next time could you dumb it down please? Thanks.

 

[Marty Jackson]

In a prior story, Hollis said that expansion isn't being talked about in the Big 10.

In this story which mentions "and perhaps two more schools by then", and "more expansion is expected", it's not clear where that comes from. Might just be the writer's speculation.

its hollis... his very last quote in the article "for the BY crew, I'm gonna flip flop 10 more times, just to drive you people crazy... HA HA!!"

 

[patrick]

If you want a meaningful presense in NYC - which frankly is a big if - but if you do, then you need another team in this market...Rutgers alone is hardly going to grant you entry to MSG or Brooklyn. Delany should just pull the trigger on Uconn / Uva and be done with it.

We need to give the B1G a good showing this football season and sell out every game. If we can have a good turn out in the lackluster America-12 think what we would do in the BIG TEN!!!!

 

[Ts5034]

We need to give the B1G a good showing this football season and sell out every game. If we can have a good turn out in the lackluster America-12 think what we would do in the BIG TEN!!!!

I think the home schedule will help with that big time. There is absolutely no excuse for the Michigan game not to be a sell out. I havnt been to a football game in 5 years so i shouldnt really talk...but that WILL CHANGE this season.

 

[partial]

Laughing MAO is very dangerous right after back surgery. Darn that hurt!!!

Well at least someone appreciates my humor. I bought a slim jim stick at a gas station then me and my fiance get to the car i just stand there for a few seconds and she asks what's going on. I reply by taking the slim jim and mashing it against the car door then shout, "these things never work like in the movies". Of course she didn't get it. I don't even like slim jims i just bought it for the joke.

 

[The Funster]

Here's the bottom line: how valuable is the NYC market to the B1G? Because if the B1G takes UConn, it locks up the NYC/NE market forever. If it doesn't take UConn and UConn winds up in the ACC then there will always be some degree of sharing the NYC/NE market.

I think the WVU situation is sinking in and it's causing a ripple through the CR world. Jumping for the $ isn't worth it if you are going to be an extreme geographic outlier. This will force CR into more reasonable geographic solutions.

 

[Stinger92860]

Assuming they add 2 here is my try at 2 divisions balanced by geo:


EAST
Maryland
Rutgers
PSU
MSU
Ohio state
Michigan
+2

WEST
Nebraska
Minnesota
Illinois
Indiana
Wisconsin
Iowa
Northwestern
Purdue

 

[RegisteredUconn]

Assuming they add 2 here is my try at 2 divisions balanced by geo:


EAST
Maryland
Rutgers
PSU
MSU
Ohio state
Michigan
UConn
UVA

WEST
Nebraska
Minnesota
Illinois
Indiana
Wisconsin
Iowa
Northwestern
Purdue

I penciled the +2 in for you.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Here's the bottom line: how valuable is the NYC market to the B1G? Because if the B1G takes UConn, it locks up the NYC/NE market forever. If it doesn't take UConn and UConn winds up in the ACC then there will always be some degree of sharing the NYC/NE market.

I think the WVU situation is sinking in and it's causing a ripple through the CR world. Jumping for the $ isn't worth it if you are going to be an extreme geographic outlier. This will force CR into more reasonable geographic solutions.

UConn's hook is New York/New England, and no competition. If the Big 10 takes UNC and UVA, the SEC takes NC State and VTech, and the BTN has a battle in NC and VA with the SEC Network. Good luck getting full carriage in that scenario. The BTN would get smoked so badly in Georgia and Florida that it would be a laughingstock if it tried for Florida State and Georgia Tech.

UConn delivers a good chunk of New York/New England in a way that no other school can. If BCU was able to deliver New England and Syracuse was able to deliver New York, the ACC would be the hunter, not the hunted. It comes down to how the BTN perceives NC and VA. Unfortunately, I think we lose to UNC and UVa.

 

[junglehusky]

Unfortunately, I think we lose to UNC and UVa.

Of course, the demographics of the states and university profiles support that. I think if UNC/Va keep true to their pact and keep the ACC together, there's a delay of 5 years, and that helps UConn's slim chances of being the "East Coast" addition all the B1Glievers in this thread want it to be. Beyond ~5 years though, UConn's athletic finances become more of a worry.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I think it is obvious that the B1G wants UNC. That is the prize. I think it is becoming more apparent that they won't get it. I think UVA is on the fence, and would move with UNC, but probably stays in the ACC otherwise. Those non-moves, in turn, leave Notre Dame with a soft landing (not that they ever land hard). So Delany's purpose is frustrated. He has to recalculate. Without UNC, does GT really make sense? No. Does FSU? No, and probably not even to FSU.

So his best move right now? No move. I don't think the B1G can move first this time, unless it is something unexpected, like prying Colorado from the Pac. I think we should be looking at the Big XII, which is hoping the B1G makes its job easier by softening ACC resistance. But the WVU experience is reminding the ACC schools how much better life is in the ACC than if they were in the Big XII. I don't think any of them are moving, although Louisville might. The logical move is for the Big XII to offer Louisville and Pitt, and once Dodds is gone, maybe they will. If they really want 14, they could add VT and Cinci to that list. Creates a very logical geographic footprint.

 

[uchusky32]

Maybe someone can answer these questions :
:
If NC gets broken up into 3 conferences would the split in conference audience be large enough to justify payment?

Would the lack of local rivalries drive the audience to watch their team and whatever new rivalries are created? Meaning if NcSt and UNC and Duke are in different conferences how long are they going to continue to watch the other team? Are you going to continue to wwtch.Cuse, Pit, Gtown?

 

[Exit 4]

I think it is obvious that the B1G wants UNC. That is the prize. I think it is becoming more apparent that they won't get it. I think UVA is on the fence, and would move with UNC, but probably stays in the ACC otherwise. Those non-moves, in turn, leave Notre Dame with a soft landing (not that they ever land hard). So Delany's purpose is frustrated. He has to recalculate. Without UNC, does GT really make sense? No. Does FSU? No, and probably not even to FSU.

So his best move right now? No move. I don't think the B1G can move first this time, unless it is something unexpected, like prying Colorado from the Pac. I think we should be looking at the Big XII, which is hoping the B1G makes its job easier by softening ACC resistance. But the WVU experience is reminding the ACC schools how much better life is in the ACC than if they were in the Big XII. I don't think any of them are moving, although Louisville might. The logical move is for the Big XII to offer Louisville and Pitt, and once Dodds is gone, maybe they will. If they really want 14, they could add VT and Cinci to that list. Creates a very logical geographic footprint.

Its total speculation on my part, but if the ACC holds together, which I think it will because ND is going to stick with them and because UNC is not ready to give up its center of the universe position to be second fiddle to Ohio/Michigan, then maybe the B1G jumps on Uconn & Syracuse or Uconn&BC. If you cant get the south, then just lock up the northeast, its not the worst consolation prize. Plus, with the right marketing strategy, you maybe able to unlock some decent dollar flow from the northeast over time.

WV's plight will be interesting to watch in the coming years. While BC is not a perfect parallel, if WV declines, it will open some eyes about being on an island.

 

[methodology]

Assuming they add 2 here is my try at 2 divisions balanced by geo:


EAST
Maryland
Rutgers
PSU
MSU
Ohio state
Michigan
+2

WEST
Nebraska
Minnesota
Illinois
Indiana
Wisconsin
Iowa
Northwestern
Purdue

OSU and Michigan would never be in the same division. They would be in separate divisions and that would be the crossover rivalry game every year.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Its total speculation on my part, but if the ACC holds together, which I think it will because ND is going to stick with them and because UNC is not ready to give up its center of the universe position to be second fiddle to Ohio/Michigan, then maybe the B1G jumps on Uconn & Syracuse or Uconn&BC. If you cant get the south, then just lock up the northeast, its not the worst consolation prize. Plus, with the right marketing strategy, you maybe able to unlock some decent dollar flow from the northeast over time.

WV's plight will be interesting to watch in the coming years. While BC is not a perfect parallel, if WV declines, it will open some eyes about being on an island.

I don't think BC makes sense for the B1G. Delany has never done what anyone expected, yet it always seemed to make sense after the fact. I don't think UConn is high on his list, but it is probably higher than some people think. I think he'll try to pry UNC lose until he is sure he cannot.

 

[methodology]

UConn's hook is New York/New England, and no competition. If the Big 10 takes UNC and UVA, the SEC takes NC State and VTech, and the BTN has a battle in NC and VA with the SEC Network. Good luck getting full carriage in that scenario. The BTN would get smoked so badly in Georgia and Florida that it would be a laughingstock if it tried for Florida State and Georgia Tech.

UConn delivers a good chunk of New York/New England in a way that no other school can. If BCU was able to deliver New England and Syracuse was able to deliver New York, the ACC would be the hunter, not the hunted. It comes down to how the BTN perceives NC and VA. Unfortunately, I think we lose to UNC and UVa.

I have said the same thing to Frankthetank about how BTN would not get full carriage in Geogia or Florida by adding FSU or GT. He has continually said that it would not be a problem but has yet to provide any real data or facts to back up that assertion.

 

[methodology]

I think it is obvious that the B1G wants UNC. That is the prize. I think it is becoming more apparent that they won't get it. I think UVA is on the fence, and would move with UNC, but probably stays in the ACC otherwise. Those non-moves, in turn, leave Notre Dame with a soft landing (not that they ever land hard). So Delany's purpose is frustrated. He has to recalculate. Without UNC, does GT really make sense? No. Does FSU? No, and probably not even to FSU.

So his best move right now? No move. I don't think the B1G can move first this time, unless it is something unexpected, like prying Colorado from the Pac. I think we should be looking at the Big XII, which is hoping the B1G makes its job easier by softening ACC resistance. But the WVU experience is reminding the ACC schools how much better life is in the ACC than if they were in the Big XII. I don't think any of them are moving, although Louisville might. The logical move is for the Big XII to offer Louisville and Pitt, and once Dodds is gone, maybe they will. If they really want 14, they could add VT and Cinci to that list. Creates a very logical geographic footprint.

The bold above I have said on this board before. A very good friend of mine has connections at UVA and he has been telling me for months, ever since MD left, that UVA is not leaving the ACC and that them and UNC are going to make sure it survives. He did say that if UNC leaves then UVA would reconsider.

 

[The Funster]

Let's assume no one leaves the ACC. If that is the case does the ACC feel that Cuse and BC are enough to capture the NYC market? Or, do they start having discussions about bringing UConn in to counter the Rutgers move by the B1G? Consequently, if the B1G feels that aquiring ACC teams is a dead issue do they, in turn, look to UConn to lock up the NYC/NE markets?

I will say this: my big hope is that ND decides to go with the C7 and they ACC invites UConn and WVU. That would be a really fun FB and hoops conference.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Let's assume no one leaves the ACC. If that is the case does the ACC feel that Cuse and BC are enough to capture the NYC market? Or, do they start having discussions about bringing UConn in to counter the Rutgers move by the B1G? Consequently, if the B1G feels that aquiring ACC teams is a dead issue do they, in turn, look to UConn to lock up the NYC/NE markets?

I will say this: my big hope is that ND decides to go with the C7 and they ACC invites UConn and WVU. That would be a really fun FB and hoops conference.

ACC has ND, which is big in NY. ND also makes ACC unbalanced no matter what. They could just add UConn now and be balanced except for football. ND will stick with ACC unless it gets heavily raided. B1G could look to UConn.

I still think the southern ACC teams will stand pat. I am not sure about the former BE schools though.

 

[Exit 4]

Let's assume no one leaves the ACC. If that is the case does the ACC feel that Cuse and BC are enough to capture the NYC market? Or, do they start having discussions about bringing UConn in to counter the Rutgers move by the B1G? Consequently, if the B1G feels that aquiring ACC teams is a dead issue do they, in turn, look to UConn to lock up the NYC/NE markets?

I will say this: my big hope is that ND decides to go with the C7 and they ACC invites UConn and WVU. That would be a really fun FB and hoops conference.

The ACC adding WV and Uconn would make a ton of sense....but I doubt it would happen....no particular reason for the pessimism, just dont think the ACC is in acquisition mode. The pairing of WV and Uconn is a nice balancing act for both football RPI and BB RPI. I would feel bad for Cinci, they are like us - on a raft.

 

[HuskyHawk]

The ACC adding WV and Uconn would make a ton of sense....but I doubt it would happen....no particular reason for the pessimism, just dont think the ACC is in acquisition mode. The pairing of WV and Uconn is a nice balancing act for both football RPI and BB RPI. I would feel bad for Cinci, they are like us - on a raft.

Feel bad? If they were on a raft...and I had a speargun, they'd soon be treading water.