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Agree this one looks quite tough in NIL competition. Duke, St Johns, and BYU are loaded in talent next year as well.
 
Scrutineer said:
Did we have a pure PG the last two years? TN was more of a lead guard and shared time bringing the ball up with SC and CS.
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Newton was a point guard - maybe a bit unorthodox, but he averaged 5 assists before he got here, then bumped it up to 6 his senior year, which was top 20 in the country. In the postseason last year, he averaged 8 - Ryan Nembhard and Braden Smith were the only guys who averaged 8 this year.

But yes, we also had guys at the 2 and 3 who had point guard skills and we became a pretty impressive offensive team because we had so many guys who could score or create. Newton could run around off the ball and we wouldn’t skip a beat.

We ended up with guys with different skill sets at the 2 and 3 this year - and we lost Clingan’s passing too. Alex picked up some of the slack and doubled his assist total from something like 1.4 to 2.8. But it meant that a passing point (Hassan) clearly fit better and was our most indispensable piece.

Assuming Alex moves on, we have even more of a premium on a passer.
 
UC0NN said:
Agree this one looks quite tough in NIL competition. Duke, St Johns, and BYU are loaded in talent next year as well.
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They amount of whining that goes on here when we either are recruiting against good programs, or playing them, is insufferable.

We want good players. Have to go against good programs, with NIL, to go get them.
 
BFieldHusky said:
They amount of whining that goes on here when we either are recruiting against good programs, or playing them, is insufferable.

We want good players. Have to go against good programs, with NIL, to go get them.
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Who is whining? Feels like the post you’re responding to is a very factual statement of the obvious.
 
There was never going to be a lack of suitors for a talent like Demary. Let’s not forget we are an indisputable blue blood program with a great staff top to bottom, and 40 minutes available at the PG next season. We have lots to offer. Sure maybe our NIL package can’t compete with St. John’s and BYU, but it certainly isn’t slacking either. If a player is willing to go to a school that’s a worse fit but pays more, we don’t want him anyway. I’m optimistic here.
 
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Gurleyman said:
Newton was a point guard - maybe a bit unorthodox, but he averaged 5 assists before he got here, then bumped it up to 6 his senior year, which was top 20 in the country. In the postseason last year, he averaged 8 - Ryan Nembhard and Braden Smith were the only guys who averaged 8 this year.
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Excellent point.

Newton was also what I call an elite closer. A guy who can take over a game in the closing minutes, score on-ball, get to the rim and convert on the free-throw line if fouled.

In his last season at UConn, Newton had a 47.4 FT Rate (186th in the nation) and hit 81% of hit FTAs.

Last year, Demary's FT Rate was 48.2 (186th in the nation) and he made 80.4% of his FTAs, so there's a huge similarity there and in UConn's system, he'd be a capable PG with elite closer potential.

Demary's 3.1 APG looks low for a PG, but Georgia was just 285th in the nation w/ a 47.8 A/FGM ratio. When Newton was at East Carolina, their A/FGM ratio was 63.1%, which was 5th in the nation, so there were many more opportunities for Newton to dish to his teammates.

Hurley's offensive system moves the ball beautifully, so if Demary ends up at UConn, which I would love, he'd have career highs in assists, for sure.
 
BFieldHusky said:
They amount of whining that goes on here when we either are recruiting against good programs, or playing them, is insufferable.

We want good players. Have to go against good programs, with NIL, to go get them.
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I don't think it's good programs as much as the "type" of programs that concern people. BYU, Kansas St, Arkansas and St Johns worry people more than North Carolina in the current landscape because of their "sugar daddy" situation.
 
Hey Adrien! said:
Excellent point.

Newton was also what I call an elite closer. A guy who can take over a game in the closing minutes, score on-ball, get to the rim and convert on the free-throw line if fouled.

In his last season at UConn, Newton had a 47.4 FT Rate (186th in the nation) and hit 81% of hit FTAs.

Last year, Demary's FT Rate was 48.2 (186th in the nation) and he made 80.4% of his FTAs, so there's a huge similarity there and in UConn's system, he'd be a capable PG with elite closer potential.

Demary's 3.1 APG looks low for a PG, but Georgia was just 285th in the nation w/ a 47.8 A/FGM ratio. When Newton was at East Carolina, their A/FGM ratio was 63.1%, which was 5th in the nation, so there were many more opportunities for Newton to dish to his teammates.

Hurley's offensive system moves the ball beautifully, so if Demary ends up at UConn, which I would love, he'd have career highs in assists, for sure.
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Yeah - if Demary wants to come, we take him. I don’t think that’s even a question. His versatility as a defender and his ability to get to the line are things we are lacking. We need pieces - he’s a good catch and shoot guy as well.

My gut is we would still need another perimeter piece. Putting someone in our system isn’t necessarily going to give them skills they don’t have. Spencer averaged 3 assists playing off the ball, because he was a skilled and instinctive passer. Hawkins and Ball averaged 1.5 because they aren’t instinctive passers - they are always looking for slivers of daylight to score. Spencer was more of a triple threat. Same system, different skills. Mahaney came in without point guard numbers and the system didn’t help. Some of it was his ability to handle ball pressure - but a lot of it was he just wasn’t good at it. He could make the right reads, but his lobs were poor, and if he tried to thread the needle, it was deflected. That can’t always be coached into someone. Georgias system might weigh assists down a bit, but if you have a knack for passing, you’ll have games where you get 5,6,7 just by doing what you do. You can get 3 a lot of days just leading the break or in hit ahead passes.

I still think if we get Demary, we need to find a good passing point guard too as a bench piece. Or maybe a good passing four who can be a hub in our offense. Everyone is focused on the lack of size in our current roster construction, but the lack of passing worries me. It was a problem this year and if Alex goes, we lost all of our guys who did it well.

But I don’t know for sure. Maybe those skills are there and will be drawn out with good catch and shoot guys and a low post finisher. If he commits, I might watch a couple games. Good and bad.
 
imno1 said:
If he doesn’t pick us it only about the bag. Am I doing this right?
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Yep... That's how it works. Kind of refreshing, actually, to have that instead of baseless attacks on a player's character, which was a BY go-to in the past.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
At the end of the portal ESPN is going to put out their list of top transfers and it's going to be the biggest names from the biggest teams and by January there's going to be a bunch of guys running college basketball and there's not going to be much overlap between the two lists. It seems like that's what's happened the past few years. I can't get really invested in any of this when (a) I've never seen most of these guys play and (b) it just seems impossible to predict who's going to blow up when they go somewhere new.
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True to a large extent but I will say that if you look at posts from 3 years ago, you'll see a bunch of people here identifying Newton as the clear #1 target.

There are definitely fewer "busts" with the portal players than with freshmen--especially among transfers from other high majors. There are always surprises, good and bad, but you mostly know what you're getting.
 
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This sounds strange to say but even with this great class coming our entire next season is going to come down to Hurley’s portal class this year. That is no disrespect to anyone but with the wrong or insufficient acquisitions we will have a hard ceiling.
 
jibsey said:
This sounds strange to say but even with this great class coming our entire next season is going to come down to Hurley’s portal class this year. That is no disrespect to anyone but with the wrong or insufficient acquisitions we will have a hard ceiling.
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I agree with most of this... reed is really important to the equation
 
jibsey said:
This sounds strange to say but even with this great class coming our entire next season is going to come down to Hurley’s portal class this year. That is no disrespect to anyone but with the wrong or insufficient acquisitions we will have a hard ceiling.
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Nothing wrong with this statement. We need some ready guards, scoring ones, and ones that can bail us out. The amount of times we got ran down by the shot clock for example and heaved a terrible shot without the ability to make space on an isolation was alarming
 
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Scenario. Hurley nails the portal. Now that doesn’t guarantee anything by itself but….if we have some productive freshman diamonds, and Solo and Reed excel, then what if Alex returns?
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upstater said:
Losing Diarra, Karaban, Samson and McNeeley is going to be a huge loss. Look at those names. All of them are not perfect but most are better than their potential replacements.
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I'll go on record right now Diarra's and Johnson's replacements will be as impactful, one of Karaban or McNeeley will be a push and one will be a downgrade.
2-1-1.
 
jibsey said:
This sounds strange to say but even with this great class coming our entire next season is going to come down to Hurley’s portal class this year. That is no disrespect to anyone but with the wrong or insufficient acquisitions we will have a hard ceiling.
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Your statement will be true of every title hopeful every year going forward until they change something up with rules and regulations.
 
husky99 said:
I agree with most of this... reed is really important to the equation
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Worried you’re even mentioning Reed in this context without also mentioning Ball.
 
Chin Diesel said:
I'll go on record right now Diarra's and Johnson's replacements will be as impactful, one of Karaban or McNeeley will be a push and one will be a downgrade.
2-1-1.
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You're underrating what Karaban and Diarra provided. Samson worked so well within the defense.
 
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Chin Diesel said:
I'll go on record right now Diarra's and Johnson's replacements will be as impactful, one of Karaban or McNeeley will be a push and one will be a downgrade.
2-1-1.
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McNeeley is most likely going to be a lottery pick so it’s not going out on a limb to predict his replacement will be a downgrade and best of luck to the coaching staff to find someone comparable to Karaban in the portal. I agree we’ll find an impactful defensive minded, tough playmaker/shot creator in the portal as an upgrade in the backcourt.
 
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