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SI: How Kevin Ollie Could Contest UConn's 'Just Cause' Firing

Lefty2one said:
I assumed from the jump that this move was negotiating tactic but the university. I doubt they ever expected to get off scot-free.
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It absolutely was. I'm sure they made him an initial offer that he declined. So then they had to go hard ball.
 
JMick said:
From my understanding talking to some people with more knowledge than me, we haven't even reached the negotiation stage yet
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JMick said:
It's a procedural thing, nothing more nothing less. There is a process involved that has to be followed when someone is terminated for cause. If he wasn't in the Union this would probably be over already
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Yup. It’s always been about the process - that’s why UConn used the language it did initially. It will speed up after first prescribed (Step 1) meeting.
 
UConnNick said:
That doesn't surprise me in the least. It's the smart move on Ollie's part. He's got the time advantage. He's still getting paid while this is all going on. The time pressure is all on the school. Ollie can drag this out as long as he wants.

His legal position may not be strong when and if it ever becomes necessary for him to file a federal lawsuit, but we're a long way from there yet. Out here in the non- legal world, Ollie has the school over a barrel, and he knows it.

UCONN needs it resolved so they can hire a new coach. With the finances impossible to accurately quantify, that becomes very difficult. How do you determine what you can afford to pay the new coach with the buyout issue unresolved? It drives up the buyout price in negotiations. Ollie has UCONN exactly where he wants.
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Not really true at all...he can only drag this out as long as his process allows. If the arbitrator rules in his favor he gets his $10 million. If they rule in UConn’s favor then he has to spend more $$ to try and get his $. He won’t get his “for cause” terms until he meets with Benedict. Also remember he is bound to the terms of the union contract as well as his own contract. He can’t pick and choose what he is held to and what he isn’t. IE: he gets Union representation and process he is held to the terms of their contract that are not superseded in his. So don’t be surprised if his Union rep and attorney are floored by what they get handed by Benedict..which by the way was most certainly signed off by both HR & Legal. All of which will be available to anyone via FOI when it’s done unless a deal is struck to make it redactable. Even his address is non-redactable since he isn’t a law enforcement officer.
 
JMick said:
If he tries to take it all the way to federal court then he should never be welcomed back at UConn ever again.
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Ridiculous.

The burden is on UConn not Ollie.

If UConn doesnt offer him an acceptable deal he would be mind numbingly stupid to not fight this tooth and nail.
 
Huskybass said:
Ollie risks further damage to his reputation and the risk of receiving nothing if the University is able to demonstrate that it had just cause
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And what if Ollie thinks they cant demonstrate it?
 
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August_West said:
And what if Ollie thinks they cant demonstrate it?
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Ollie can think what Ollie wants to think...the fact he is a union member means that his “for cause” termination went through HR & was signed off by Legal. That means they have him on something that is a clear violation of his contract. He is also held to the terms of the Union contract as Inhave stated above.
 
BaZZnBOAT said:
Once again, it's because we have NCAA allegations/violations looming over our heads.
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Really?
What?

I know there is something called an "inquiry or an investigation". But we have no clue as to what that means thanks to the de rigeur lack of transparency by the clown show that is the UConn admin.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
What further damage? UConn trashed his reputation when they fired him for cause.

I know there is a lot of Ollie hate on this board and posters think that because they don't like Ollie that UConn doesn't have to pay him, but that is not how contracts or negotiations work.
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Totally agree. Only Ollie knows if he violated any rules. If he didn't, then he's doing the right thing and it's our university that looks bad. Some of you guys kill me, When you owe someone money, You pay! We and the university feel like Ollie provided poor service, so it's ok to try and negotiate but in the end, you honor your contract and word. Pay the man his money and get him out of our lives.
 
August_West said:
Really?
What?

I know there is something called an "inquiry or an investigation". But we have no clue as to what that means thanks to the de rigeur lack of transparency by the clown show that is the UConn admin.
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Whether you like it or not, you do not have the right or authority to know what is going on.
 
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I can tell you guys this...having been in this situation as a union rep...there are always 2 sides to the story in something like this..the employee and the employee’s conduct as it pertains to their contracted rights. When HR & Legal sign off on something like this it is pretty clear cut as to what behavior violates what sections of the contract. This is where damage control comes in and you try to get the employee to be allowed to retire or resign before being terminated. You are usually blindsided because usually what the person you are representing is telling you is either a half truth or not the whole story....sometimes it’s just a complete fabrication.
 
BaZZnBOAT said:
You don't.
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August_West said:
Ridiculous.

The burden is on UConn not Ollie.

If UConn doesnt offer him an acceptable deal he would be mind numbingly stupid to not fight this tooth and nail.
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I really think people are being homers on this one which I get.

Ollie has a contract detailing his payout if terminated. Until we know for sure what the "just cause" is we are all guessing. Every once in a while someone says the hell with a settlement this is about principle. If the just cause turns out to be impermissible practices and too much cream cheese on bagels Uconn looks incredibly bad. Every day this drags on it looks bad for the school. This school needs to get out of the business of buyouts it can't afford to pay without shenanigans.
 
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JMick said:
His entire reputation as an upstanding human being? He still has that to lose. He can go to the NBA even with college recruiting violations
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Maybe he is defending his reputation as an upstanding human being and there is no price on that especially if he didn't commit any infractions. Priceless..

"• UConn is deceitfully using the “just cause” classification to fire Ollie so that it can avoid paying Ollie the remainder of his contract.."

"• UConn has damaged Ollie’s name by depicting him as corrupt and have made it impossible for him to land a similar coaching position.."
 
For 11 million dollars you fools would be welcome to tell anyone, anything you like about me.

Do you guys even pay attention to the world?

You can do almost ANYTHING and almost no one cares. The Thunder aren’t going to hire someone because he had an active Tinder account? Because they held illegal workouts?

Unless they have something a lot more interesting than what I’ve heard why would anyone give up millions of dollars over it?
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
What further damage? UConn trashed his reputation when they fired him for cause.

I know there is a lot of Ollie hate on this board and posters think that because they don't like Ollie that UConn doesn't have to pay him, but that is not how contracts or negotiations work.
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The University could not open the door to negotiations without first taking the legal steps that they had to take, meaning that they had to assert they had the grounds to fire him for cause first before they begin negotiating. If they didn't do that, and they communicated with KO to try to negotiate a buyout first, the grounds for the for cause firing could be considered a pretext(KO could claim that it was just a concocted excuse to fire him when they had already made up they mind to get rid of him without cause) and that would support KO's defense. It is unfortunate that the University had to take the very public and unfortunate first step in firing him for cause, but they really did not have much of a choice.
 
JMick said:
His entire reputation as an upstanding human being? He still has that to lose. He can go to the NBA even with college recruiting violations
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FYI...I know personally KO's golf instructor. As a matter of fact we share a few "cocktails" together on occasion.

I bet... I know more than you! Notice though I keep my cards close to the vest like the world class poker player I am.

None of this in 20 minutes I am going to the car wash folks!

You feelin' me brotha J?
 
CardiffGiant said:
The University could not open the door to negotiations without first taking the legal steps that they had to take, meaning that they had to assert they had the grounds to fire him for cause first before they begin negotiating. If they didn't do that, and they communicated with KO to try to negotiate a buyout first, the grounds for the for cause firing could be considered a pretext(KO could claim that it was just a concocted excuse to fire him when they had already made up they mind to get rid of him without cause) and that would support KO's defense. It is unfortunate that the University had to take the very public and unfortunate first step in firing him for cause, but they really did not have much of a choice.
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Yes, they had another choice. Fire him, pay him his money and keep it moving.
 
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