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So Ice has been a foul a minute all season, driving us nuts. Now she gives us this unbelievable performance. Clearly she has been goofing off all year. And Edwards goes out and the team is still outstanding, other than getting exhausted. So the other 4 must have been goofing off all year and decided to step up their game. So the whole team has been goofing off all year. And we thought Geno was a tough coach who worked them to death. Clearly Geno has gotten soft in his late middle age. At least we BYer's have been working hard all year criticizing the team. We must be the reason the team is successful.
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I think that is an exaggeration. Aaliyah would have had 20 to 25 points against Georgetown if she were healthy and played her normal minutes in the Big East Finals, and I don't think any of the guards would have had fewer points. Aaliyah actually had 18 points (7-of-11 shooting) at Georgetown on January 7, and she had 26 points (11-of-16 shooting) facing Georgetown at Gampel on February 16 (senior night).
But your basic point is correct -- UConn could still run their offense and rely on Ice for post defense without fouling. Most importantly, she played 40 minutes on two consecutive days and stayed completely out of foul trouble.
It's slightly premature to say, "Aaliyah who?" (I realize that is not what you were suggesting.)
However, your basic point that UConn's chances in the NCAA tournament against big teams are much better than they were a few days ago now that Ice has this experience, including the experience of being relied on. A game in which UConn can deploy two effective bigs either together or separately will be more formidable than the UConn team that played in any of the team's five losses.
There was actually a glimpse of this UConn team in the February game against Georgetown, when Aaliyah had 26 points and 11 rebounds in 35 minutes, while Ice had 10 points and 5 rebounds in 27 minutes. UConn won that game 85-44 despite Briana Scott being available for Georgetown in that game.
The coaches deserve little to no credit for the way Ice played this weekend. Fate dealt UConn a hand that required the coaches to replace a player and she was the only option available. If they had decided to go with her and she did what she did then I would say the coaches made a great move but that is not what happened. Geno is a great X and O coach but if a player doesn't practice the way he likes or makes a mistake in a game he has zero patience. He called the plays but I give 100% of the credit to Ice on what she proved this weekend.
To be clear this is not a knock on Geno, he is a great coach, to me the best in WCBB history. My point is he has a way that has always worked and he will never deviate from that unless he is forced to. The second point and just as important is every girl on UConn roster would be a key player on any other team in the Big East Conference so no fan should be surprised at how good they look when they get quality minutes without playing with fear of making a mistake.
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“In the moment, it was mentally very challenging for me,” Brady said. “I had a hard time getting used to his coaching style and trying to understand what he was trying to get out of me. At times, I didn’t see what he saw. But he continued to push me. There were times I felt I was coming up short, for him and for the team, but he showed how much he cared and believed in me. I’m definitely glad he did. All those hard days, all those failures just made me more hungry.”
“The things I’ve been telling her all year,” Muhl said. “I don’t think she understands how good she is. I don’t think she understands how hard she works and how all that work is going to pay off. This tournament, she proved to herself foremost that she could do it. I’m so proud of her. She stepped up so big and that takes so much maturity that I don’t think she knew she has. … She didn’t win just the game, she won over herself.”
Dom Amore: With the heat on, Ice Brady found herself at the center of UConn women’s Big East championship
Ice Brady’s first season with the UConn women’s basketball team came with adversity, but she stayed the course, with the help of her support system, and when her moment came in the Big …
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I meant with an Ice that I had confidence in, but concede the point. I just felt this is the first time we've seen what Ice can really be like and reaching her potential. Totally different player to my relatively untrained eyes.
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As omshanti said, I think the very obvious improvement in her conditioning played a very large role in her outstanding play these past three games! she’s been showing signs for awhile now but this was really an incredible leap forward!
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What an insightful and mature observation by Nika Muhl! I would not at all be surprised to see Nika go into coaching when her playing career is over!“In the moment, it was mentally very challenging for me,” Brady said. “I had a hard time getting used to his coaching style and trying to understand what he was trying to get out of me. At times, I didn’t see what he saw. But he continued to push me. There were times I felt I was coming up short, for him and for the team, but he showed how much he cared and believed in me. I’m definitely glad he did. All those hard days, all those failures just made me more hungry.”
“The things I’ve been telling her all year,” Muhl said. “I don’t think she understands how good she is. I don’t think she understands how hard she works and how all that work is going to pay off. This tournament, she proved to herself foremost that she could do it. I’m so proud of her. She stepped up so big and that takes so much maturity that I don’t think she knew she has. … She didn’t win just the game, she won over herself.”
Dom Amore: With the heat on, Ice Brady found herself at the center of UConn women’s Big East championship
Ice Brady’s first season with the UConn women’s basketball team came with adversity, but she stayed the course, with the help of her support system, and when her moment came in the Big …
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My download of the +/- data has ICE as +36 and Q as -1, this is for the
Georgetown UCONN game ( just one game ). The other + / - scores were
KK +37 Paige +34 Nika +39 Ash + 30 and INES + 5 . But your
report of Q with 9 points in 17 minutes was the same numbers reported on
the download that I am reporting on. My guess is while Q scored well the
"other things", like how many points the HOYAS scored while Q was in the
game made the difference. So, maybe the +/- was reflecting not Q's
OFFENSE but how the UConn defense performed while she was one of
the 5 UCONN players on the court. Anybody have a different explanation??
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There is a strange phenomenon that occurs when a player starts to “get it.” As if by magic, they appear to get quicker in everything they do on the court.
In the past few games, and particularly against Georgetown, with her passing, rebounding, shooting and defending, Ice appears to have found another gear or two. Contrast that with earlier in the season when Ice was indecisive, mishandled passes, threw the ball away far too often and missed wide open bunnies. The game was moving too fast for Ice. But not anymore.
On the very first UConn possession, Ice received a tight pass from KK with a Georgetown Big closing on her fast, she quickly put up a sweet 10’ shot that hit nothing but net. Earlier in the season, Ice might have fumbled that pass or bricked the shot. Clearly the game has slowed down for her.
For the rest of the game, everything Ice did on the court was crisp and decisive. We are finally seeing that 5-star recruit from CA that excited all of us when she announced she was coming to UConn.
In the past few games, and particularly against Georgetown, with her passing, rebounding, shooting and defending, Ice appears to have found another gear or two. Contrast that with earlier in the season when Ice was indecisive, mishandled passes, threw the ball away far too often and missed wide open bunnies. The game was moving too fast for Ice. But not anymore.
On the very first UConn possession, Ice received a tight pass from KK with a Georgetown Big closing on her fast, she quickly put up a sweet 10’ shot that hit nothing but net. Earlier in the season, Ice might have fumbled that pass or bricked the shot. Clearly the game has slowed down for her.
For the rest of the game, everything Ice did on the court was crisp and decisive. We are finally seeing that 5-star recruit from CA that excited all of us when she announced she was coming to UConn.
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I think that you are right to Eric of La.
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Everyone has an internal learning clock. You really can't change it. That clock dictates the speed at which a person puts it all together. That's what most of us refer to as it justs clicked. All the pieces came together.
That's what we saw with Ice. After Aaliyah went down with the broken nose, Ice came in and did a decent job. Nothing spectacular but she held her own. Semifinals was like she seems to have got it together. Not fouling, solid defense and a decent offensive output.
But in the finals it was WOW. The short jumper to open the scoring. No hesitation at all. The rest of the game was the same. She was in the flow of the game on both sides of the ball. She was running the court. Did not show signs of being tired.
Ice has arrived.
That's what we saw with Ice. After Aaliyah went down with the broken nose, Ice came in and did a decent job. Nothing spectacular but she held her own. Semifinals was like she seems to have got it together. Not fouling, solid defense and a decent offensive output.
But in the finals it was WOW. The short jumper to open the scoring. No hesitation at all. The rest of the game was the same. She was in the flow of the game on both sides of the ball. She was running the court. Did not show signs of being tired.
Ice has arrived.
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Ice has certainly taken a step forward in overall performance but still needs to finish the rim and make the 10 to 15 foot shot. Keep the improvement trajectory going Ice!
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"THE "ICE" WOMAN COMETH" worthy of a movie or a name of a basketball "play"!!
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You do realize that Eugene O’Neill’s tragic play about a group of alcoholics who are going nowhere, ends with the following soliloquy:
“Be God, there’s no hope! I’ll never be a success in the grandstand-or anywhere else! Life is too much for me! I’ll be a weak fool looking with pity at the two sides of everything til the day I die!”
Here's my theory. You can take the meekest animal, back it into a corner, and put it in danger and it becomes something of a different animal. Ice was backed into a corner and became something different. She had it in her all along and just didn't know it.
Earlier posts mentioned Ice tipping the ball not showing up in the stats. Tip out a rebound and it becomes a 50/50 ball. Might work the first time and then the next 3 go to the other team. I'd rather see fighting for and grabbing a rebound. Better odds than putting a 50/50 ball in play.
Earlier posts mentioned Ice tipping the ball not showing up in the stats. Tip out a rebound and it becomes a 50/50 ball. Might work the first time and then the next 3 go to the other team. I'd rather see fighting for and grabbing a rebound. Better odds than putting a 50/50 ball in play.
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The balls that Ice tipped, were not balls she was going to control. They were too far away from her body to secure. Not only did Ice tipping those balls give her teammates the opportunity to secure the basketball, but she also had the presence of mind to tip the balls away from the basket.
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“I always want to see whether Ice is going to compete,” Auriemma said. “She doesn’t have to do everything right. She doesn’t have to be perfect. But I want to see what her competitive spirit is out there …The skill level, that’ll take care of itself down the road. I just thought she didn’t compete. She was non-competitive, and that really bothered me.
“I realized that I needed to be much harder on her. I needed to demand more from her. There were trying times leading up to this weekend over the last two months. There were times in practice where she reverted back to her old self, and she paid the price for it. But those didn’t last very long like they used to, and she put the work in.
“I realized that I needed to be much harder on her. I needed to demand more from her. There were trying times leading up to this weekend over the last two months. There were times in practice where she reverted back to her old self, and she paid the price for it. But those didn’t last very long like they used to, and she put the work in.
https://www./ncaaw/big-east/inside-uconns-dominant-big-east-tournament-performance/
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Qadance may become a brilliant player. She is already performing well on defense ( the better she " understands " it, the more effective she has become ), and she has been a solid rebounder ( jumps well; has long arms, is strong). Her shooting is still not " scary good," but it is clear the potential is there. She is athletic, as you can see by her defense and when she has to work on a fast break, or under the hoop. She does need to improve her ball handling skills and ball security. When she puts the ball on the floor, it is often an adventure. And she tends to telegraph her passes a bit. But her passes are usually so crisp that they are successfully competed. I also think she is "wirey" strong....even though a bit more muscle would be welcomed on her frame. The more she plays, and the more comfort she has with her teammates on the court, the better she will become. And, importantly, the better decisions she will make. There are not many games left this season for that to happen, but every exposure helps. Particularly in the Big Dance. We are fortunate that she came to UCONN. And this almost didn't happen, correct?
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so there is hope for amari yet! that would be sweet.
she's forgotten here. BTW, does anyone know her status re: concussion?
(i wish this craps would stop. ain't 3 years enough?)
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Very often, most notably in the Texas game where she started alongside AE and Geno has since said was a "mistake" to pair them together at that time. Essentially, Ice was not yet ready, but boy is she now!!!!
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Yes, I knew, and I took some poetic license in a new context... THE ICE WOMEN COMETH ... COMING TO PRIME TIMEYou do realize that Eugene O’Neill’s tragic play about a group of alcoholics who are going nowhere, ends with the following soliloquy:
“Be God, there’s no hope! I’ll never be a success in the grandstand-or anywhere else! Life is too much for me! I’ll be a weak fool looking with pity at the two sides of everything til the day I die!”
this March (AND APRIL!). The new play is a happy sequel. Also, BTY, I used to work in P-town, MA. HOME of
"battling" Norman Mailer and the Pulitzer Prize Winner, Mary Oliver.. "Alas, poor Mary, I knew her". Act V.
We Boneyarders have diverse backgrounds! Cheers! Let the games begin! Z
Wow interesting take
What’s really good about going and seeing a game live is that you could actually watch a player and not the ball
Let me to point out the following improvements
In ice Brady’s game
-she stopped reaching constantly and learned to keep hands straight up avoiding fouls
-on pick and roll
She stopped completely hedging( except one time and Geno went crazy) and getting caught out of position
Instead of getting caught playing behind player who was posting she worked hard to keep fronting the player and not allowing the pass to the post
In short she did her work the whole posession
Made a post move with a reverse pivot
Which she did not do earlier in the season
Made ball fakes to draw fouls which again she was unable to do earlier in the season
When doubled in the post she was passed to the opposite side
Didn’t happen earlier in the season
I could go on
THIS IMPROVEMENT IS FROM COACHING!!!!!
Imho ice is a very skilled,exceptionally strong player but does not have the “explosion “
And quickness of elite athletic players
Her size and skill was more than enough in
High school
To be successful on the college level she needed
To improve her skills work harder and be coached
Losing a year and being forced to play major minutes before she was ready hurt her confidence
The combination of her hard work and COACHING
Was on display in the tournament
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Nice analysis. But there is something else. After watching Ice in HS I described her as a left handed Morgan Tuck with a greater skill set. I was particularly focused on her smooth shooting stroke, all the way out to the arc. Ice has a wonderful shot. She doesn’t yet have the confidence to fire away, but that will come. When it does come, Ice will open up the court for her teammates, because teams will have to guard her at the 3-pt line.
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Yes, she does seem to have good form
From foul
Line and with jump shot
I suspect lack of confidence has been a problem
Making the jump shot from the circle and the 3 on a good percentage would be the key
To getting to the next level
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One thing I’m looking forward to in reference to Q, is that she is going to be able to spend an entire season learning from the player she most closely resembles. I believe she will benefit from this in a big way and that she will eventually be a star for us.
Yes it does: the player who tips the ball loose gets credit for the steal if a teammate gets the ball. Brady had four steals in the three-game tournament.
The best rebounders rarely tip the ball out. If Ice could get enough on the ball to tip it out 10 or 15 feet, it's likely she had enough of the ball to fight for it and grab it. If she was able to tip it out 10 or 15 feet, I don't think the opposition was in a real good position to control the rebound either.
Often, not all the time, tipping it out is an easy, lazy way to rebound. If the other player has 2 hands on the ball and the only thing you can do is bang it out of there, OK fine. Otherwise, not so good.
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Ice tipped the ball by reaching over shorter players in most cases. She could have banged bodies with the opponent to try to grab the ball but could not afford to get into foul trouble. Instead, she tipped the balls in the direction of her teammates
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In Ice's defense, I don't believe she was being lazy in going after the rebounds. Instead I believe she was being smart and conscientious in tipping the ball to her teammates, knowing full well that the slightest infraction would probably gain her a foul call. She knew she had to stay in the game because there was no one else to play her position consistently, even though Paige was the "floating center" at times. In my opinion, Ice did exactly what she needed to do to help win the games. She grew up quickly in these last three days, and hopefully will improve next year. Good job Ice!!!
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