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Should there be a NIL salary cap?

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The NIL experiment looks like an arms race that is about to get put of control. It not only has the potential to disrupt the economic viability of athletic departments, it could start gobbling up resources university wide.

I am huge fan of capitalism but public universities serve a different purpose. NIL was developed to stop the exploitation of student-athletes. The shoe is now firmly on the the other foot. Student-athletes are now in position to start exploiting universities.

The most certain result of any human activity is unintended consequences. We are watching that play out with NIL. A salary cap would prevent NIL from turning into a run away black hole. It isn't there yet. Let's hope some adults at the university level notice the warning signs and apply a ounce of prevention.
 
Simple answer: no. If the boosters are paying it, let them.

Long answer: it likely won't matter as student-athletes (at least revenue sports ones: football, m/w basketball, and maybe m hockey, softball, and baseball) will be deemed employees. At that point, booster donations will go into the AD coffers who then pass them along to employee-athletes and NIL goes back to being a mechanism for the top 1% athletes to make endorsement money.
 
It's capitalism...Whoever has the capital wins...
Want to win more, get more capital. Need more capital, get more investors. Investors=boosters.
 
No, as there are no NIL salaries. "NIL deals are independent deals between athletes and customers/brands/companies using their likeness that have nothing to do with the schools." That is at least what we're still telling ourselves. Until they become school employees there won't be any real oversight.
 
If you create a NIL salary cap, schools will just work around it, do under the table deals like they used to before NIL came around. To the points above, if you want to compete, going to have to raise funds.
 
Again, the schools aren't paying these deals. The supreme court is pretty clear that the NCAA cannot limit what a kid can earn on their own. It's their name, face, body and if they want to use it to make money, they can. The intent of this was to allow somebody like Paige to benefit from her popularity while still playing. Of Livvy Dunne or Bronny James.

It was not the intent that boosters would use these deals to influence recruiting. The NCAA could clamp down on that and I think they will. But how? They can't prevent the kids from making money, or take their eligibility, so the angle has to be with the school and boosters. Punishing them in some way. It's the wild west because the NCAA hasn't figured out how to build a compliance model that would survive a court challenge.
 
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Super easy to understand if they didn't call them NIL and just called them endorsement deals.
 
It’s hard to do anything with NIL at this point. It wasn’t regulated at the start and it’s just going to continue to grow and grow now. For better or for worse.
 
Palatine said:
The NIL experiment looks like an arms race that is about to get put of control. It not only has the potential to disrupt the economic viability of athletic departments, it could start gobbling up resources university wide.

I am huge fan of capitalism but public universities serve a different purpose. NIL was developed to stop the exploitation of student-athletes. The shoe is now firmly on the the other foot. Student-athletes are now in position to start exploiting universities.

The most certain result of any human activity is unintended consequences. We are watching that play out with NIL. A salary cap would prevent NIL from turning into a run away black hole. It isn't there yet. Let's hope some adults at the university level notice the warning signs and apply a ounce of prevention.
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How are the students exploiting the universities?
 
No. Just like NBA players don't have a cap on endorsement-ish deals, neither should a collegegiate athlete. We opened this can of worms and need to accept the consequences.
 
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The Kansas player that just got booted from the team bragged to the girl he assaulted that he has $12 million in the bank. If that's true (big if), hell yeah, there needs to be a cap, but there's no way to control dirty money.
 
UCTitleTown said:
The Kansas player that just got booted from the team bragged to the girl he assaulted that he has $12 million in the bank. If that's true (big if), hell yeah, there needs to be a cap, but there's no way to control dirty money.
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Good on him not blowing all his money but the guy was a lotto pick.
 
UCTitleTown said:
The Kansas player that just got booted from the team bragged to the girl he assaulted that he has $12 million in the bank. If that's true (big if), hell yeah, there needs to be a cap, but there's no way to control dirty money.
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No way did he get that much from NIL.
 
Palatine said:
The most certain result of any human activity is unintended consequences. We are watching that play out with NIL. A salary cap would prevent NIL from turning into a run away black hole. It isn't there yet. Let's hope some adults at the university level notice the warning signs and apply a ounce of prevention.
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Would you be in favor of a profit cap? If not, I don't see how a salary cap is fair.
 
UCTitleTown said:
The Kansas player that just got booted from the team bragged to the girl he assaulted that he has $12 million in the bank. If that's true (big if), hell yeah, there needs to be a cap, but there's no way to control dirty money.
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I doubt it. Sanders son is making like $5 million in NIL this year. And that's football. And he's a national name.
 
UCTitleTown said:
The Kansas player that just got booted from the team bragged to the girl he assaulted that he has $12 million in the bank. If that's true (big if), hell yeah, there needs to be a cap, but there's no way to control dirty money.
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Also, aside from this specific case where this guy is a scum bag, why would it be a bad thing for a college athlete to be able to earn $12 million from the NIL?
 
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runner11 said:
He is mixing up the current kid with Josh Jackson.
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Yeah, there is no chance that Arterio Morris got any major NIL payout as a transfer from Texas. Given his assault case in Texas I'd be somewhat surprised if any company wanted to give him an endorsement deal. My guess is he got nothing. Big deals are usually announced, like the one Jalon Daniels got with Adidas in January.
NIL Deal Tracker
 
McLovin said:
Also, aside from this specific case where this guy is a scum bag, why would it be a bad thing for a college athlete to be able to earn $12 million from the NIL?
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Maybe just end college basketball and have every kid go play pro somewhere. The facade of amateurism is comical.
 
Palatine said:
NIL was developed to stop the exploitation of student-athletes
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It wasn't developed at all. The NCAA did nothing and people who wanted to be able to have a legalized pay for play filled the void. That's why it's a mess.

It's official, now, that Emmert left a world class fook up at every place he's ever worked. You have to appreciate his consistency.
 
UCTitleTown said:
Maybe just end college basketball and have every kid go play pro somewhere. The facade of amateurism is comical.
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The facade of amateurism was over when schools & conferences started entering into multi-billion dollar TV contracts. Why should the schools, coaches and networks all share in the profits of the college basketball ecosystem but the athletes who play get nothing?
 
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Palatine said:
The NIL experiment looks like an arms race that is about to get put of control. It not only has the potential to disrupt the economic viability of athletic departments, it could start gobbling up resources university wide.

I am huge fan of capitalism but public universities serve a different purpose. NIL was developed to stop the exploitation of student-athletes. The shoe is now firmly on the the other foot. Student-athletes are now in position to start exploiting universities.

The most certain result of any human activity is unintended consequences. We are watching that play out with NIL. A salary cap would prevent NIL from turning into a run away black hole. It isn't there yet. Let's hope some adults at the university level notice the warning signs and apply a ounce of prevention.
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Try to get that passed by the football powers. Good luck!
 
CCSUblue said:
Super easy to understand if they didn't call them NIL and just called them endorsement deals.
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Of course, as so often around here, you are both correct and incorrect.

At the heart of the battle, athletes were claiming an independent ownership right over their Names, Images and Likenesses. This is what the courts decided. They do have a superceding right to NIL.

Thus enshrining that arcane terminology into common discourse.

Still, it would be so much simpler to comprehend it to mean endorsements, however they may be derived.
 
CCSUblue said:
It's capitalism...Whoever has the capital wins...
Want to win more, get more capital. Need more capital, get more investors. Investors=boosters.
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Ok but never complain about teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, and Manchester City buying wins.
 
fatlucy said:
Ok but never complain about teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, and Manchester City buying wins.
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The Yankees (and Red Sox) can't buy wins to save their life, no matter how much they spend! .

I'm not saying it's fair either.
 
Palatine said:
The NIL experiment looks like an arms race that is about to get put of control. It not only has the potential to disrupt the economic viability of athletic departments, it could start gobbling up resources university wide.

I am huge fan of capitalism but public universities serve a different purpose. NIL was developed to stop the exploitation of student-athletes. The shoe is now firmly on the the other foot. Student-athletes are now in position to start exploiting universities.

The most certain result of any human activity is unintended consequences. We are watching that play out with NIL. A salary cap would prevent NIL from turning into a run away black hole. It isn't there yet. Let's hope some adults at the university level notice the warning signs and apply a ounce of prevention.
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Ok, who hacked Palatine's account?

Salary cap? Never thought I'd see the day you advocated against free market principles.
 
McLovin said:
The facade of amateurism was over when schools & conferences started entering into multi-billion dollar TV contracts. Why should the schools, coaches and networks all share in the profits of the college basketball ecosystem but the athletes who play get nothing?
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The large majority of athletic programs run at a deficit in the tens of $millions. The revenue generated by a select few sports is not even close to the full story. For most programs, revenue generating sports only partially offset the costs of running other sports.

And the coaches were never expected to be volunteers. They’re professionals and schools wisely invest in them to generate revenue & successfully coach students/teams.

College sports is supposed to be amateur athletics - not a professional sports league. There was nothing wrong with that and it benefitted the athletes most of all.

Unlimited NIL threatens the existence of it & I think the NCAA should put guardrails on it for eligibility. For those that think it’s unfair, find a pro sports league that’ll pay the athletes straight out of high school. That’s not what college sports is.
 
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