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Should the season take a pause?

What should be done with the rest of the WCBB season?

  • Continue as is

    Votes: 77 68.1%
  • Pause for 3-4 weeks, or more as needed

    Votes: 24 21.2%
  • Cancel it

    Votes: 12 10.6%

  • Total voters
    113
How exactly do you propose we have 3000 players and 500+ coaches decide?

You know, the virus is shutting down the season on its own. So many teams have "paused" basketball activities, and according to the Washington Post, over 6,000 Division I athletes have tested positive since this began.

Could be that the season just fizzles out as the virus spreads. No actual decision by the leagues needed.
 
You know, the virus is shutting down the season on its own. So many teams have "paused" basketball activities, and according to the Washington Post, over 6,000 Division I athletes have tested positive since this began.

Could be that the season just fizzles out as the virus spreads. No actual decision by the leagues needed.
Don't think the season will be allowed to fizzle because of the pot of goal at the end of the rainbow know as Mens NCAA tournament. The NCAA Men's tournament is the main source of revenue which funds most athletic scholarship. Fortunately the NCAA had a cancellation insurance policy last year. It is unclear if a similar insurance policy exists in the event of cancellation of the tournament this season thus the NCAA will do everything possible to make the tournament happen.
 
it was 30+% of the ranked team games postponed (5 out of 16.) It will be interesting to see whether the various conferences can actually complete their full complement of league games and have a full conference tournament prior to the scheduled NCAA. As Geno says, his only concern right now is the #13 - minimum games played for consideration for NCAA tournament.
 
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There seems to be this pervasive assumption that playing the season puts players at a greater risk of contracting Covid, when exactly the opposite is true.

Cancel the season, remove the players from their protective cocoon, and send them back into the real world that we all are dealing with.

Does anyone here really think that’s the answer?

Keep them on their teams, safe.
 
Pretty simple, like Duke , each team decides for itself....got it?
If you read my initial post it involved pushing the entire tournament back. That can’t be decided on a team by team basis.
 
There seems to be this pervasive assumption that playing the season puts players at a greater risk of contracting Covid, when exactly the opposite is true.
Cancel the season, remove the players from their protective cocoon, and send them back into the real world that we all are dealing with.
Does anyone here really think that’s the answer?
Keep them on their teams, safe.
My creative writing professor would accuse you of creating one straw man to prop up another. Why not cancel the games and keep the players in their cocoons instead of sending them home? AKA exactly what Duke WBB is doing.
 
If you read my initial post it involved pushing the entire tournament back. That can’t be decided on a team by team basis.
Last reply, if a team suspends their season, I am assuming ( Ivy League) would not be eligible for any NCAA tournament, regardless of when. The men have chosen a bubble format and the women will do likewise in Texas.
 
Last reply, if a team suspends their season, I am assuming ( Ivy League) would not be eligible for any NCAA tournament, regardless of when. The men have chosen a bubble format and the women will do likewise in Texas.
The thread is about the NCAA declaring a pause.
 
Last reply, if a team suspends their season, I am assuming ( Ivy League) would not be eligible for any NCAA tournament, regardless of when. The men have chosen a bubble format and the women will do likewise in Texas.
Last that I heard is that they are looking at a bubble format for the women, but haven't said it is going to be in Texas yet.
 
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Villanova game on Saturday postponed.

Listen to any CFB analyst or coach about what the fall was like with the constant level of uncertainty and change. It took a toll on players (and coaches).
 
My creative writing professor would accuse you of creating one straw man to prop up another. Why not cancel the games and keep the players in their cocoons instead of sending them home? AKA exactly what Duke WBB is doing.

I would agree with you if players are catching the virus from an opponent during a game but the fact is that the virus is being transmitted in the cocoon environment you say is safe. Can you name even one proven case of a player catching the virus from an opponent?
It's not the games that are risky, it's what happens away from the court. Mulkey caught it at home. UConn's pause was due to someone catching the virus away from the school.
Let's stop with the wild assumptions that games are the danger.
 
I would agree with you if players are catching the virus from an opponent during a game but the fact is that the virus is being transmitted in the cocoon environment you say is safe. Can you name even one proven case of a player catching the virus from an opponent?
It's not the games that are risky, it's what happens away from the court. Mulkey caught it at home. UConn's pause was due to someone catching the virus away from the school.
Let's stop with the wild assumptions that games are the danger.
Where are you getting this? I never ever said players are safe in their cocoons.
Why are you so obsessed with Mulkey and where she caught the virus? IDC.
 
Where are you getting this? I never ever said players are safe in their cocoons.
Why are you so obsessed with Mulkey and where she caught the virus? IDC.
COCO: "Why not cancel the games and keep the players in their cocoons instead of sending them home?"

Now who is trying to create side issues to divert the discussion? If Baylor cancelled their season a month ago Mulkey still would have tested positive. The danger is off the court not on it. But keep dodging that fact if you like. It's fun watching you dance around this.
If there are no games then what is the point of a cocoon? Are basketball players any more susceptible than other on-campus students? The whole point of cocoons is to allow play. No play, no cocoons, just like the rest of us.
Or do you support sending them home? Where is the evidence that is safer? The fact you keep missing is that the danger is greater for a non-scholarship student right now and yet you want the players put into that same environment to keep them safe?

 
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I will repeat a point that Vowelguy made a few posts back....

This thread is about the NCAA declaring a pause. In fact it's a poll. I thought it might be a thread relating to Covid that might survive here but it is twisting into arguments about the relative benefits of various Covid abatement techniques and is likely going to quickly go over the edge.

I'm sorry we have so little actual game action to discuss but please steer clear of going down the Covid drain.
 
The NBA issuing new COVID protocols as well as contemplating an extended pause returning to bubble and this news of multiple players testing positive for a second time (months apart) is disturbing and yet another illustration of what we don't know about this virus. An extended pause for NCAA basketball would also be prudent.

 
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I will repeat a point that Vowelguy made a few posts back....


This thread is about the NCAA declaring a pause. In fact it's a poll. I thought it might be a thread relating to Covid that might survive here but it is twisting into arguments about the relative benefits of various Covid abatement techniques and is likely going to quickly go over the edge.

I'm sorry we have so little actual game action to discuss but please steer clear of going down the Covid drain.
Your response is just bizarre. Isn’t the NCAA pause poll due to COVID or am I missing something?
 
Thanks for your thoughts.

The issue of course is Covid. But, maybe you haven't been around much. Covid discussions more often than not begin to drift into arguments that become political and/or personal. Many threads have been deleted and will be deleted if the discussion wavers into those areas.

In an attempt to not have this thread deleted or locked I was/am just reminding people to stay "on topic". Overall it's easier to drift away from WCBB when no games are being played.
 
My creative writing professor would accuse you of creating one straw man to prop up another. Why not cancel the games and keep the players in their cocoons instead of sending them home? AKA exactly what Duke WBB is doing.
Because that’s the worst of all possible worlds?
 
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Postponing the season would only make sense if the rate of COVID-19 cases was substantially lower at whatever time play was resumed. I would think that March would probably be the latest that a conference could open back up. Given the characteristics of a typical epidemic, we might only expect a decline from 250,000 to 100,000 new cases per day by then.

We are currently seeing a surge that began when the weather cooled down in October. The rate of increase was accelerated by the Thanksgiving-NewYears holidays. New cases seem to be leveling out or starting a decline about now. As you can see from the case pattern, each wave approximates a bell-shaped normal distribution. The decline of the first 2 waves is generally accounted for by changes in the weather and better human behavior. The current wave will be mitigated by the beginning of vaccinations, an increase in the percentage of the population that has already been infected and are now resistant, and warmer weather. However, the introduction of new strains that are more infectious, will slow the decline.

Since college-age kids will not be vaccinated in any number until late spring, I don't know if postponing the season would work.

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How so?
It restricts the liberties of the student athletes without giving them the opportunity to play.

Being in a bubble is tough. As the Seton Hall coach noted it often means that students are spending the vast majority of their time isolated in their rooms. That is a huge personal sacrifice that takes a toll on the players. They do it so that they can have the opportunity to play the game that they have committed themselves to. Having them sacrifice their personal freedom and without giving them opportunity to play seems unreasonable. These are people, not specimens to be preserved in a hermetically sealed jar.

JMO
 
It restricts the liberties of the student athletes without giving them the opportunity to play.

Being in a bubble is tough. As the Seton Hall coach noted it often means that students are spending the vast majority of their time isolated in their rooms. That is a huge personal sacrifice that takes a toll on the players. They do it so that they can have the opportunity to play the game that they have committed themselves to. Having them sacrifice their personal freedom and without giving them opportunity to play seems unreasonable. These are people, not specimens to be preserved in a hermetically sealed jar.

JMO
I was in agreement with you until the dramatic parts about unreasonable and specimens. That games are being canceled and or postponed is neither unreasonable nor part of an experiment using these players. Some responsible adults are making decision to cancel games based on COVID testing primarily and contact tracing as a secondary & equal consideration. The civil liberties of the SA should not be a consideration here because each player had an option to opt out of playing this season without loss of scholarship. There are certainly restrictions once you decide to opt in but those restrictions are the same for everyone who decides to opt in. I voted to cancel the games because what you describe as an "experiment" and others have described as a "cocoon/bubbles" is clearly not working. It is not working because for games to continue eventually players have to come out of their respective cocoons and play other teams. Clearly cocoons, protocols and testing are not being administered equally across NCAA institutions. For example some schools are testing every day while others are testing a couple times per week. This (unequal testing & mandatory quarantine time) was the basis of Duke deciding to shut down. UCONN game tonight was postponed because UCONN played Providence on Saturday and Providence is shut down. Villanova game on Saturday postponed because Nova in shut down. My prior post which both you and @Alydar have perhaps misinterpreted is a statement about what to do after the decision to shut down. To be clear, I am not in favor of sending the players home after the season is shut down. I'm in favor of what Duke is doing which is staying in their cocoons, going to classes and continuing to practice basketball.
 
I was in agreement with you until the dramatic parts about unreasonable and specimens. That games are being canceled and or postponed is neither unreasonable nor part of an experiment using these players. Some responsible adults are making decision to cancel games based on COVID testing primarily and contact tracing as a secondary & equal consideration. The civil liberties of the SA should not be a consideration here because each player had an option to opt out of playing this season without loss of scholarship. There are certainly restrictions once you decide to opt in but those restrictions are the same for everyone who decides to opt in. I voted to cancel the games because what you describe as an "experiment" and others have described as a "cocoon/bubbles" is clearly not working. It is not working because for games to continue eventually players have to come out of their respective cocoons and play other teams. Clearly cocoons, protocols and testing are not being administered equally across NCAA institutions. For example some schools are testing every day while others are testing a couple times per week. This (unequal testing & mandatory quarantine time) was the basis of Duke deciding to shut down. UCONN game tonight was postponed because UCONN played Providence on Saturday and Providence is shut down. Villanova game on Saturday postponed because Nova in shut down. My prior post which both you and @Alydar have perhaps misinterpreted is a statement about what to do after the decision to shut down. To be clear, I am not in favor of sending the players home after the season is shut down. I'm in favor of what Duke is doing which is staying in their cocoons, going to classes and continuing to practice basketball.
Agree to disagree Coco.
 

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