Shocking result in Baylor game

[ochoopsfan]

I didnt see the game tonight. However I did see the game WV played at Baylor in January. In that game Baylor won 79-73.
This was a quote or two by Mulkey in that game.

Opening statement…
“They have length on the perimeter, they have a ball-handler that runs the show, they have size inside and athleticism. They guarded us. They made everything we tried to do difficult. I was proud that we made our free throws. I thought we had a hard time defending their drives and transition baskets.”

On defensive play…
“It is hard to guard anybody one-on-one. What we didn’t do well today from our perspective is that I felt like we were still in our defense from Iowa State and we were all worried about the three ball. There was no flow from the secondary defender coming over to help. We weren’t very good helping each other.”

If you saw the game in January, Baylor looked as ordinary as I have seen them. The look on Mulkeys face at the end of the game was Dear Lord, Thank You!!

This result tonight was not a surprise to me.
I mentioned, I think yesterday, when Creme had WVa as a 8/9 seed in Bridgeport, that they were not a team you want to play as an 8/9. I guess they move up some and out of Bridgeport.

 

[Orangutan]

 

[JordyG]

I didnt see the game tonight. However I did see the game WV played at Baylor in January. In that game Baylor won 79-73.
This was a quote or two by Mulkey in that game.

Opening statement…
“They have length on the perimeter, they have a ball-handler that runs the show, they have size inside and athleticism. They guarded us. They made everything we tried to do difficult. I was proud that we made our free throws. I thought we had a hard time defending their drives and transition baskets.”

On defensive play…
“It is hard to guard anybody one-on-one. What we didn’t do well today from our perspective is that I felt like we were still in our defense from Iowa State and we were all worried about the three ball. There was no flow from the secondary defender coming over to help. We weren’t very good helping each other.”

If you saw the game in January, Baylor looked as ordinary as I have seen them. The look on Mulkeys face at the end of the game was Dear Lord, Thank You!!

This result tonight was not a surprise to me.
I mentioned, I think yesterday, when Creme had WVa as a 8/9 seed in Bridgeport, that they were not a team you want to play as an 8/9. I guess they move up some and out of Bridgeport.

Yeah. Let Maryland deal with them.

 

[Orangutan]

 

[hoophuskee]

Why would USC move ahead of Baylor? Losing to Mizzo is just as bad as losing to WVA. Baylor didn't have their star player. She is playing Tourney time, right? I think Miss State is a paper tiger.

 

[McFly]

Don't like the technical on Wallace. The emotion is understandable. A good talking to by the officials would have been a better decision.

I don't think it should have gotten that far. Wallace should have been whistled when she practically mugged the WV player to get the ball. I got the distinct impression in the fourth quarter that the officials were less than even handed. But I'll admit I was rooting for WV, which might have influenced that opinion.

 

[donalddoowop]

I agree I have seen them called all the time. And I disagree with every one of them. Remember, I am not saying the ref should just ignore the play. He should warn the player. Tirades like that are not to be "endorsed", but players are human. IMO. That is all.

Ref's get graded and would get reprimanded by the head of officials if a "T" is not called in that situation. In some situations a ref has no choice but to go by the rule book.

 

[1-of-the-6]

I agree I have seen them called all the time. And I disagree with every one of them. Remember, I am not saying the ref should just ignore the play. He should warn the player. Tirades like that are not to be "endorsed", but players are human. IMO. That is all.

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It's the same as slamming the ball into the floor or throwing the ball in anger at a wall. There is no leeway on those calls. I've seen players T'd up for slamming the ball in celebrating a play. Automatic T.

Years ago technical fouls were called for taking a shot after a whistle, and for not shutting up and raising your hand if you committed a foul. I guess I'm old school, but I liked it that way.

 

[BigBird]

It's the same as slamming the ball into the floor or throwing the ball in anger at a wall. There is no leeway on those calls. I've seen players T'd up for slamming the ball in celebrating a play. Automatic T.

And while we know what we saw (or believe we do), we do not know what, if anything, was said.

 

[Plebe]

Why would USC move ahead of Baylor? Losing to Mizzo is just as bad as losing to WVA. Baylor didn't have their star player. She is playing Tourney time, right? I think Miss State is a paper tiger.

The resume comparison between Baylor and USC is a close call, but I do think it comes down to how much slack the committee cuts Baylor for being without Alexis Jones tonight.

South Carolina (27-4): RPI #3, SOS #4, 10 wins vs. RPI top 25, 13 wins vs. top 50.
Baylor (30-3): RPI #7, SOS #26, 10 top-25 wins, 12 top-50 wins.

 

[Plebe]

Years ago technical fouls were called for taking a shot after a whistle, and for not shutting up and raising your hand if you committed a foul. I guess I'm old school, but I liked it that way.

Wow you are old school
Were the coaches not allowed to constantly berate the officials about every single call like they are now?

 

[AndyCT]

Agree. She is a warrior. Did not like the "T". Refs must understand the emotion and the moment. Could have given her a warning and talking to.

Then she "must understand the emotion and the moment" and realize what she did could (and did) cost her team.

Far too often in sports, and in life, we use "emotion" and "heat of the moment" as an excuse for bad behavior. At some point we all have to earn that no matter how upset we are, there are rules, standards, etc. In this case it probably didn't cost the game, but in another game - or in some other life situation, it may be a more expensive lesson.

And notice that neither she nor Kim protested. Pretty much all you have to really know...

 

[JordyG]

Wow you are old school
Were the coaches not allowed to constantly berate the officials about every single call like they are now?

No. They'd get T'd in a beat. Nor could they call TO's. I do remember players beefing constantly while their hands were up though.

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

I guess there's a new sheriff in town, at least for one night.

 

[SCspur]

I doubt it. Baylor has the better record and better team.

Weaker SOS and less RPI top 25 wins. Loss Conference Tourney Championship and we won ours. They were without one of their best players and so were we. I think SC is very deserving of the #3 overall slot. Baylor can have OKC and we'll keep Stockton. I just want our girls to have a semifinal of ND/MD rather then UCONN.

 

[SCspur]

Why would USC move ahead of Baylor? Losing to Mizzo is just as bad as losing to WVA. Baylor didn't have their star player. She is playing Tourney time, right? I think Miss State is a paper tiger.

And we didn't have a good player for us either. Alaina Coates sat out most of the tourney and we still won agaisnt a top 10 team and Baylor lost agaisnt an unranked team.

 

[Plebe]

Weaker SOS and less RPI top 25 wins. Loss Conference Tourney Championship and we won ours. They were without one of their best players and so were we. I think SC is very deserving of the #3 overall slot. Baylor can have OKC and we'll keep Stockton. I just want our girls to have a semifinal of ND/MD rather then UCONN.

Actually, they have the same number of RPI top-25 wins (10), but SC does have one more top-50 win (13 vs. 12).

There's no way to be sure at this point which half of the bracket Maryland will end up on.

 

[Plebe]

And we didn't have a good player for us either. Alaina Coates sat out most of the tourney and we still won agaisnt a top 10 team and Baylor lost agaisnt an unranked team.

The committee will be smart enough to see that WV elevated its play in this tournament, and the fact that they were "unranked" will have no bearing in the analysis. They made Oklahoma look like a bad high school team and they also beat Texas.

 

[SCspur]

The resume comparison between Baylor and USC is a close call, but I do think it comes down to how much slack the committee cuts Baylor for being without Alexis Jones tonight.

South Carolina (27-4): RPI #3, SOS #4, 10 wins vs. RPI top 25, 13 wins vs. top 50.
Baylor (30-3): RPI #7, SOS #26, 10 top-25 wins, 12 top-50 wins.

SC clearly has a stronger resume and was without Alaina Coates and we won our tourney. Alexis Jones and Alaina Coates are both intricate pieces to their teams so their not really an argument there.

 

[Plebe]

SC clearly has a stronger resume and was without Alaina Coates and we won our tourney. Alexis Jones and Alaina Coates are both intricate pieces to their teams so their not really an argument there.

Intricate pieces? Do you mean integral?

I'm not sure the committee would consider the Coates injury as "nullifying" the Jones injury. I've never heard of that rationale being considered, anyway. But who knows.

 

[Plebe]

SC clearly has a stronger resume and was without Alaina Coates and we won our tourney. Alexis Jones and Alaina Coates are both intricate pieces to their teams so their not really an argument there.

But then there's also the fact that SC lost to Missouri with Coates.

 

[SCspur]

The committee will be smart enough to see that WV elevated its play in this tournament, and the fact that they were "unranked" will have no bearing in the analysis. They made Oklahoma look like a bad high school team and they also beat Texas.

What does that mean? What if Tennessee won the SEC tourney? The Committee would've removed SC from #1 in a split second and made Tennessee a host and they have the same amount of losses. But SC beat #20 Kentucky who is hosting and has a top 15 RPI and #6 Miss St. who has a top 10 RPI. SC also raised their level of play with A'ja Wilson stats rose and well as Kaela Davis'. Wilson averaged 20.5 ppg 8.7 rpg and Davis with 16.9 ppg and 5.7 rpg. Remember the Committee has to see SC was without All American Alaina Coates with 13.7 ppg and 11.2 rpg. Baylor beat #20 K-State top 30 RPI and lost to WVU without Alexis Jones, so both teams were in the same boat and SC made it through and Baylor didn't in a weaker conference.

 

[Plebe]

What does that mean? What if Tennessee won the SEC tourney? The Committee would've removed SC from #1 in a split second and made Tennessee a host and they have the same amount of losses.

Not necessarily. Tennessee winning the SEC tourney would mean that MSU would've also lost, and with Oregon St losing to Stanford, I doubt anyone else would've been able to leapfrog SC for the final #1 spot.

 

[SCspur]

Not necessarily. Tennessee losing would mean that MSU would've also lost, and with Oregon St losing to Stanford, I doubt anyone else would've been able to leapfrog SC for the final #1 spot.

That's really besides the point Plebe. SC won their Conference and Baylor lost theirs. Baylor was without a key player and so was SC. SC Conference is stronger and won outright with a player missing. There's no way SC doesn't deserve that 3rd #1 seed.

 

[DaddyChoc]

speaking of Baylor... where is ETT?

 

[Plebe]

That's really besides the point Plebe. SC won their Conference and Baylor lost theirs. Baylor was without a key player and so was SC. SC Conference is stronger and won outright with a player missing. There's no way SC doesn't deserve that 3rd #1 seed.

I admire the force of your conviction, but the advantage of not being a homer is that I can see things more objectively.

The difference in conference strength between the SEC and the Big 12 is negligible and will have no bearing on the committee's decision.

SC's higher SOS will be a factor in the deliberations, but of course that is counterbalanced by the fact that SC lost one more game than Baylor did.

 

[UConnNick]

You are right that they are taught to give a "T", but they do have a choice. Emotions are part of playing the game. There was no harm done to the opposition and no advantage was attained. I can see your point, "that is what happens (call a T) most of the time", so they have to call it. Good refs could do better, IMO. I guess I am in the minority.

Technical fouls have nothing to do with harming the opponent or gaining an unfair advantage in the game. Sometimes they do have something to do with a play in the game, like a flagrant foul that's automatically a technical, but otherwise a technical is the same as an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty in football. Most of them are called for inappropriate behavior during dead ball situations having nothing to do with the game.

 

[Paul1969]

When Baylor loses everybody wins!

 

[RockyMTblue2]

37.9% 36.7% 69.6% FG% 3% FT% of WV. This was an ugly game where Mulkey could not adjust to pressure the guards and in the end the differential was mostly free throw differential.

 

[hoophuskee]

And we didn't have a good player for us either. Alaina Coates sat out most of the tourney and we still won agaisnt a top 10 team and Baylor lost agaisnt an unranked team.

1-- And they had one less loss.
1b -- You lost to Tenn and Duke. While Baylor just lost to Texas.
1c - IMO Texas is better than Tenn and Duke.
2- Baylor was higher on Sagarin (though RPI has USC).
3-- And Jones is a better college player than Coates. IMO she should be in the top ten.
3b-- Jones is the best player on her team. Coates is not. Thus the loss of each player is not comparable.
3c-- Not understanding the impact of Baylro not having their best player, their lead pg vs USC not having their best center-- is to not understand the impact of a palyer on each team. You can't look at it one-for one. What if Washngton loses Plum? Is that the same vs another team that loses their top player but has more balance?
3d-- Even if you felel they are equal -- you should be judging how strong they are for the team most likely that will PLAY in the NCAAA's. Having a deeper bench usually shouldn't be a deciding factor.