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Chief00 said:
I know that’s not the answer many want to hear but yep. Therefore, we need talent and shooters. Chill is on the prowl.
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A 3&D guy would have this team clicking much better.
 
uconngb said:
Especially when he can't recruit pro-talent players!

I mean I'd like to assure my offspring will be beautiful by mating w Blake Lively, but I don't think I can reel her in. Or maybe I can---the Blake strategy!!!!
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I think she would only be half the genetic equation, you're the other half, still may not work out:)
 
Chief00 said:
Agree, Chill working it hard. That’s why I am more optimistic than many - looking out 2-3 years. I think we are starting to get guys who can play in KO’s pro system. Quite frankly, I don’t see KO adopting a college system, so this is our best path to success. Again, I love JCs double screens in the post to run Rip off of without the ball and some of George’s post plays - but I just don’t see KO going that route. So we need to stock up on pro potential talent.
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Playing a pro style offense is not a great college game plan. In the NBA it’s a technical foul to play zone and off ball man zone. The rules are different therefore the offense run off the dribble drive is is very difficult. If Ollie can’t differentiate and coach to both his personnel and the defenses we face then he is failing as a coach. I hope he can be successful but you have to adjust and adapt. If he can’t it’s on him.
 
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BringJimBack said:
Playing a pro style offense is not a great college game plan. In the NBA it’s a technical foul to play zone and off ball man zone. The rules are different therefore the offense run off the dribble drive is is very difficult. If Ollie can’t differentiate and coach to both his personnel and the defenses we face then he is failing as a coach. I hope he can be successful but you have to adjust and adapt. If he can’t it’s on him.
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In fairness KO ran a pro style offense pretty well in 2014 with Bazz, Boat, Daniels and Giffey. So it can be done successfully. KO did not really have a lead recruiter until Chill came on board - so there was lots of ground to make up. I think he has done rather well the last 8 months.
 
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BringJimBack said:
Playing a pro style offense is not a great college game plan. In the NBA it’s a technical foul to play zone and off ball man zone. .
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The NBA got rid of the illegal defense penalty 16 years ago. Teams play zone concepts all the time. You just can't camp a guy in the key as they have a defensive 3 second rule.
 
BringJimBack said:
Playing a pro style offense is not a great college game plan. In the NBA it’s a technical foul to play zone and off ball man zone. The rules are different therefore the offense run off the dribble drive is is very difficult. If Ollie can’t differentiate and coach to both his personnel and the defenses we face then he is failing as a coach. I hope he can be successful but you have to adjust and adapt. If he can’t it’s on him.
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NBA teams play zone all the time. One of the best ways to guard the PnR when the offense has a non-shooting big man is to drop back into a zone underneath. Heck, the Heat played a zone last night against the Celts.
 
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CAHUSKY said:
The NBA got rid of the illegal defense penalty 16 years ago. Teams play zone concepts all the time. You just can't camp a guy in the key as they have a defensive 3 second rule.
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Read Shabazz article on his thoughts of KO offense. Have a good day.
 
husky429 said:
NBA teams play zone all the time. One of the best ways to guard the PnR when the offense has a non-shooting big man is to drop back into a zone underneath. Heck, the Heat played a zone last night against the Celts.
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See Shabazz article about KO offense.
 
BringJimBack said:
See Shabazz article about KO offense.
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Link? No ides what youre referring to.

And I'm not sure what you're arguing. Or are you? The play is certainly different and KO needs to adapt. But zone aint illegal and its used against good guards every nigh of the regular season. What you said is wrong. Otherwise, you're opinion seems backed up by fact
 
husky429 said:
Link? No ides what youre referring to.

And I'm not sure what you're arguing. Or are you? The play is certainly different and KO needs to adapt. But zone aint illegal and its used against good guards every nigh of the regular season. What you said is wrong. Otherwise, you're opinion seems backed up by fact
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Sorry I’m not adapt at uploading on here. Not being argumentative just referencing Shabazz statements on how difficult it is to run Ollie offense compared to the NBA. His reason was in fact the defense rules. Yes you can double team but you can’t play zone. That’s said bottom line we need to do something offensively, run something that creates open looks and easy buckets. I don’t care what or how you do it. What we have been doing last 3 years is not working.
 
I don’t like his insistence on being a point guard, but he’s a good player. If we play him at the 2 in our ‘2 PG system’ sign me up. Sick of not having true PGs as our lead guard though.
 
Rewster said:
It's gonna be hard to recruit elite level 3, 4 and 5 's when all they are going to do is set picks for the guards in this "pro style offense".
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I hear you about the 4 and 5. We need a selling narrative and more inviting role to recruit better for these positions.
 
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Chief00 said:
I hear you about the 4 and 5. We need a selling narrative and more inviting role to recruit better for these positions.
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"If you don't fumble the ball out of bounds every time you get the ball and stay out of foul trouble, you'll get a lot of playing time."

The current crop of 4s and 5s have been given and will be given every opportunity to succeed because we have no one else there.

Shonn Miller was a big part of the offense in KO's system and that wasn't that long ago.
 
ZenConn said:
"If you don't fumble the ball out of bounds every time you get the ball and stay out of foul trouble, you'll get a lot of playing time."

The current crop of 4s and 5s have been given and will be given every opportunity to succeed because we have no one else there.

Shonn Miller was a big part of the offense in KO's system and that wasn't that long ago.
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Took Ollie half a season to realize getting the ball to Miller in the post was an automatic basket or foul. If I’m a talented big there’s no way I’d even consider UConn with the current structure of the offense. I’ve said it time and time again, Ollie has a “system” yet doesn’t recruit to his system. He then expects his players to magically adapt to it although their strengths would be better suited in a different offense.
 
lange10 said:
Took Ollie half a season to realize getting the ball to Miller in the post was an automatic basket or foul. If I’m a talented big there’s no way I’d even consider UConn with the current structure of the offense. I’ve said it time and time again, Ollie has a “system” yet doesn’t recruit to his system. He then expects his players to magically adapt to it although their strengths would be better suited in a different offense.
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Yes. But this is a weakness that a coach can learn how to outgrow. It would be great to have a smarter coach who learns faster, but if he learns, that will be good enough. He has other strengths as a coach.
 
HuskyHawk said:
It's what I suspected. Confirms my general view, dating to before he was given the job, that he belongs in the NBA. I hope he can pull it off, but I believe that the game has left that approach in the dust along with the underhand free throw.
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There's a lot of cognitive dissonance. The game has left that approach in the dust with the underhand free throw. But yet you're saying he's better suited for the modern-day NBA. Which is it?
 
upstater said:
There's a lot of cognitive dissonance. The game has left that approach in the dust with the underhand free throw. But yet you're saying he's better suited for the modern-day NBA. Which is it?
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It can be done in the NBA, but the better coached teams, Warriors, Spurs, Celtics, are running a more sophisticated offense. The athletic talent on D in the NBA and the end of the illegal defense call have made it inefficient even there. In college it's worse, and it isn't really even viable. In theory, a team with two guards who are at that level and other capable scorers to prevent double teams, could pull it off. UConn did...twice. But there is a reason why the 2011 team didn't click as well until Lamb got going. That allowed us to kill them when they doubled Kemba. Plus those teams played great defense, so the offense only had to be adequate.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
It can be done in the NBA, but the better coached teams, Warriors, Spurs, Celtics, are running a more sophisticated offense. The athletic talent on D in the NBA and the end of the illegal defense call have made it inefficient even there. In college it's worse, and it isn't really even viable. In theory, a team with two guards who are at that level and other capable scorers to prevent double teams, could pull it off. UConn did...twice. But there is a reason why the 2011 team didn't click as well until Lamb got going. That allowed us to kill them when they doubled Kemba. Plus those teams played great defense, so the offense only had to be adequate.
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Well, pulling it off twice is saying something. Or emphasizing defense is a good strategy too... but Kemba did quite alright outside the BE regular season. That team was undefeated outside, with or without Lamb.
 
upstater said:
Well, pulling it off twice is saying something. Or emphasizing defense is a good strategy too... but Kemba did quite alright outside the BE regular season. That team was undefeated outside, with or without Lamb.
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He was a special player. I don't think we should build our foundation on being that lucky (to get him).
 
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