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Doesn't really surprise me, DeAndre never seemed to get very high off the ground on his dunk attempts.
 

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Deandre can get high with a running start, but as several others have said he never had an explosive straight up leap. It's more strength gain than weight gain but there is an obvious correlation between the two. Lots of squats, burpees and other exercises working on legs and core body strength.
 
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yea we've seen shabazz dunk. We all knew he was 5'11 ish. so ya 35-40 had to be the number.
 

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Not surprised at Bazz because we've seen him sky high for numerous rebounds.
 
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Daniels has the same vertical as Aaron Craft? I don't know what to make of these numbers. With such a great vert how come Shabazz didn't dunk one time in 4 years?
 

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That's about what Ben Gordon got in the combine, no? If you asked anyone on the street, they'd say Gordon is 3x that athlete that Shabazz is supposed to be.
 
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Daniels has the same vertical as Aaron Craft? I don't know what to make of these numbers. With such a great vert how come Shabazz didn't dunk one time in 4 years?

Here's my guess but I really have no idea....
I think they measure the vertical off two feet without taking a step. Or at most they give you one step then jump off two feet.

The issue with that is some people are better one foot jumpers than two foot jumpers.

So Bazz may be a better two foot jumper than a one foot jumper, in terms of being able to get pure height. So he has a high vertical but the thing about being a two foot jumper is you need to gather and collect to dunk nicely. It's very hard for a PG to have that type of open space with the speed of the college game.

That said, Boatright is a two foot jumper and he dunks all the time...But IMO that is because his vert is probably in the high 40's. Which is insane.
37" at 5' 11" is not gonna get you very many dunk opportunities in the college game, IF your primarily a two foot jumper.

Another example is myself. I had about a 33 or 34" vert in HS and stood 6'2" but the problem was I was a two foot jumper, so I never had an opportunity to dunk in a game even though in open space I could dunk pretty nicely. My problem was that off one foot I couldn't jump high at all. I could only hang on the rim off one foot for some reason. But off two feet I could jump the highest on the team.

DD probably is a better one foot jumper than a two feet jumper. In fact I know he is bc if you go back and watch all his best dunks, he jumps off one foot. This makes DD a good "game-dunker" bc one foot jumper's need less open space to throw it down. So even though his two foot vert is not very high his ability to jump both high and quick off one foot allowed him to be a nice finisher for us. I mean, other than the fact that he is also 6'9".

But my guess is if Bazz was as good as a one-foot jumper as DD then Bazz would have dunked in some games.
 
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Yeah Bazz definitely has bounce regardless of dunking or not. I think he got a lot of boards by just out leaping people who underestimated him. He also would get up above the rim on finger rolls and just drop the ball in a lot. Rember that sick play in the final four when he pulled the ball behind his head and layed it up over a much bigger defender? Also there was a borderline dunk late in the regular season I believe in the Cincy game at XL? Knowing how he's kinda quirky I bet he just likes protecting his hands. Or maybe after he blew a dunk as a frosh Calhoun told him he'd kill him if he tried it again.
 
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Daniels has the same vertical as Aaron Craft? I don't know what to make of these numbers. With such a great vert how come Shabazz didn't dunk one time in 4 years?
didn't need to, he makes the highlight reel in endless other ways. That being said, there was something about those breakout Boatright dunks this past year that maybe got me more pumped than anything. You'd always see it coming, but seeing that little warrior leap out of the gym and hang around on the rim always got me going
 
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Bazz's number is impressive, but not shocking. I figure you need some vertical to be under 6' tall and yet lead the NC team in rebounding for most of the season, right?
 
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Here's my guess but I really have no idea....
I think they measure the vertical off two feet without taking a step. Or at most they give you one step then jump off two feet.

The issue with that is some people are better one foot jumpers than two foot jumpers.

So Bazz may be a better two foot jumper than a one foot jumper, in terms of being able to get pure height. So he has a high vertical but the thing about being a two foot jumper is you need to gather and collect to dunk nicely. It's very hard for a PG to have that type of open space with the speed of the college game.

That said, Boatright is a two foot jumper and he dunks all the time...But IMO that is because his vert is probably in the high 40's. Which is insane.
37" at 5' 11" is not gonna get you very many dunk opportunities in the college game, IF your primarily a two foot jumper.

Another example is myself. I had about a 33 or 34" vert in HS and stood 6'2" but the problem was I was a two foot jumper, so I never had an opportunity to dunk in a game even though in open space I could dunk pretty nicely. My problem was that off one foot I couldn't jump high at all. I could only hang on the rim off one foot for some reason. But off two feet I could jump the highest on the team.

DD probably is a better one foot jumper than a two feet jumper. In fact I know he is bc if you go back and watch all his best dunks, he jumps off one foot. This makes DD a good "game-dunker" bc one foot jumper's need less open space to throw it down. So even though his two foot vert is not very high his ability to jump both high and quick off one foot allowed him to be a nice finisher for us. I mean, other than the fact that he is also 6'9".

But my guess is if Bazz was as good as a one-foot jumper as DD then Bazz would have dunked in some games.

I'm not a fan of Boat's 2 footed fastbreak dunk at all. If he is not going to dunk it off of one foot then just lay it in.
 
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I'm not a fan of Boat's 2 footed fastbreak dunk at all. If he is not going to dunk it off of one foot then just lay it in.

Yea I agree, it gives defenders way too much time to recover, but if you watch Boat he usually always goes off of 2 feet when in the paint. The one time I remember him going off one foot was when he put a sick move to split 2 defenders against Memphis in the AACT, and then he blew the layup because of how awkward he went off of one foot, he doesn't look very comfortable doing it.
 

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He has a 37.5 vertical. That is way better than I thought. Deandre's vertical is 32. I thought that would be higher.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre...4&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&source=All&sort=12

I think Bazz didn't dunk because there was no reason to as a little guy. Little guys going way up on dunks when shotblockers are flying at you invite injury for what is not a higher percentage shot than a layup. Bazz was just playing smart. You could see him get up for rebounds.

Daniels' vertical measurement is a disaster. His no step vert is 26.5". Is that a typo? When you are getting destroyed on the athletic measurables by Doug McDermott, you should expect your draft position to take a hit.

I didn't see Giffey on that list. Is he even trying for the NBA, or is he heading home?
 
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I think Bazz didn't dunk because there was no reason to as a little guy. Little guys going way up on dunks when shotblockers are flying at you invite injury for what is not a higher percentage shot than a layup. Bazz was just playing smart. You could see him get up for rebounds.

Daniels' vertical measurement is a disaster. His no step vert is 26.5". Is that a typo? When you are getting destroyed on the athletic measurables by Doug McDermott, you should expect your draft position to take a hit.

I didn't see Giffey on that list. Is he even trying for the NBA, or is he heading home?

you have to be invited to the combine, Giffey is at an athletic institute training with a bunch of other college players
 
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Just tested my vertical. 10 inches, but just for my heel, my toe is still touching the floor.
 
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If you are an explosive two foot jumper, you're most likely an explosive 1 foot jumper too. It's not a case of one or either, boat has some electrifying 1 foot jump highlights.
 
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