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There is also IMO a void in leadership from the upperclassmen. The program expectation is leadership comes from the upperclassmen. The Stewie Mojeff and Morgan Tuck class is a perfect example. Stewie was clearly the best player as a freshman but in times of adversity they never had to lead until their senior season. That class was not without adversity (there was ND, BYU and ND again) in Junior season. Each time it was an upper class man that provided the required leadership. KLM was a reluctant senior leader but she got it done most notable in her last game of her career against ND where she basically said "give me the ball" it is winning time
Listen to this clip of Dolson at half time of the BYU tournament game.
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I get the main point but it sounded to me like Stephanie said "Get Stewie the Ball". I can definitely see a half time interview with CW, Liv or Evina" saying " Need to get Paige the Ball" :rolleyes:
 
There is also IMO a void in leadership from the upperclassmen. The program expectation is leadership comes from the upperclassmen. The Stewie Mojeff and Morgan Tuck class is a perfect example. Stewie was clearly the best player as a freshman but in times of adversity they never had to lead until their senior season. That class was not without adversity (there was ND, BYU and ND again) in Junior season. Each time it was an upper class man that provided the required leadership. KLM was a reluctant senior leader but she got it done most notable in her last game of her career against ND where she basically said "give me the ball" it is winning time
Listen to this clip of Dolson at half time of the BYU tournament game.
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If this year's seniors ever got asked that question at halftime of a close game they wouldn't know what to say.
 
I love this full court pass a lot. And I also give credit to CW's catch and finish. CW is a perfect teammate to run the fast break.
I was at the game and saw it from the full angle. We were all blown away. My daughter, who played college ball, said it was like a quarterback making a tight long pass between defenders with the receiver making a great catch.
 
Some thoughts on the Seton Hall game:
  • On paper Seton Hall’s roster might be the second most talented in the BE. Without AEH and several injured teammates, the Pirates still came out playing surprisingly tough, while the Huskies looked flustered and sloppy leading to six 1st qtr turnovers.
  • The rest of the game was a little bit better as the Huskies finally got their heads back from the Bahamas, or wherever they were at. But there were still several head-scratching mistakes by UConn, and the offense in the second half was not particularly good.
  • The Huskies finally demonstrated some toughness on the boards tonight, with a 50 to 30 edge over the Pirates. Now UConn needs to do it every single game.
  • I really don’t like saying this, but I have no idea where the Huskies would be right now without Paige. Whenever she's not in the game the Huskies struggle. Her energy on the floor is phenomenal. Paige ended up with 23 pts, 9 rbs, 7 ast, 5 stls & a bloody nose.
  • Dorka gave us some decent minutes tonight, but UConn needs a lot more from the bench.
  • Nice to see a packed house, even if Walsh Gymnasium is just a bandbox.
  • Bring on the Irish!........I think?
It was a definite Big Deal last night at Walsh. For whatever reason, since I just bought my tickets through the box office, we were in a UCONN section. We were all saying the same thing. Why doesn't CW get the ball more? She is so much stronger than last year and has great drive moves and was unstoppable last night. Getting the ball on the weave up top doesn't help her. She needs clear outs.

You can look at statistics all you want. They just did not look like a Juggernaut last night and I worry about Sunday. BTW, it was my first time seeing Paige live. TV does not do her justice. Her anticipation on defense is just so smart which you can see happening and her passing is actually elegant. I was disappointed in Evina, AE, Liv, Nika and Caroline. Of the 5, Evina has the talent to easily score 15 a game. She is not aggressive on offense. It would help Paige a lot if she were.
 
Don't confuse UCONN's situation with ND's or Olivia Miles with Caroline. ND. can afford to experiment because they are trying to climb out of mediocrity in the ACC. UCONN is trying to get over the hump and win a championship. Azzi is hurt and Caroline has an opportunity to step in and contribute at UCONN. There was an article posted here within the last few days where Caroline stated that she understood the opportunity and was preparing to meet the challenge. Caroline's performance in the game yesterday indicated she was not prepared for the challenge and that was against SH ND. UCONN plays ND tomorrow and you want Geno to give Caroline an opportunity to go out there and match up against Olivia Miles and Sonia Citron? I don't think that's going to happen.
A wild guess is double-digit lead (not necessarily 10/11) he'd put her in if they get to that (maybe 15+).

A further point will be if he puts her and pulls her quick again we'll hear how Geno is not giving her enough time to play through her mistakes - and the 30 point blowouts won't help is what we'll hear.
 
Y'all are negative as hell. This is the fifth game! We will be ok!
The reality of hoops is that teams always look better when the ball goes through the hoop. The test is whether or not the shots were good shots in the flow. Williams, Westbrook and even Paige were not really on with jump shots. Ditto Muhl who has shown she isn’t a hopeless shooter. I didn’t notice many totally forced shots. We shot lousy from the outside and won by 25. As I said in another post, the lack of freshman production from such a highly regarded class is a bit more concerning, acknowledging Azzi’s absence, but if not a big issue this year, these kids are pretty important going forward. But it’s early yet.
 
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I watched all the other top ranked teams play this year. Other than South Carolina, everybody else is struggling. Borderline unwatchable.
Stanford has almost everybody back and they have lost twice. UConn is struggling but they are not the most overrated team in the country.

Did you watch Iowa and Duke? Caitlin Clark could not throw it in the ocean.
Clark scored 4 in the first half. Took over the game in second half and scored at least 18 points.
 
The reality of hoops is that teams always look better when the ball goes through the hoop. The test is whether or not the shots were good shots in the flow. Williams, Westbrook and even Paige were not really on with jump shots. Ditto Muhl who has shown she isn’t a hopeless shooter. I didn’t notice many totally forced shots. We shot lousy from the outside and won by 25. As I said in another post, the lack of freshman production from such a highly regarded class is a bit more concerning, acknowledging Azzi’s absence, but if not a big issue this year, these kids are pretty important going forward. But it’s early yet.
While I've been on the side of big caution with CD this year, I expect she'll be fine next year.

And this year Ain't over yet. :)

They also lost Saylor.
 
There is also IMO a void in leadership from the upperclassmen. The program expectation is leadership comes from the upperclassmen. The Stewie Mojeff and Morgan Tuck class is a perfect example. Stewie was clearly the best player as a freshman but in times of adversity they never had to lead until their senior season. That class was not without adversity (there was ND, BYU and ND again) in Junior season. Each time it was an upper class man that provided the required leadership. KLM was a reluctant senior leader but she got it done most notable in her last game of her career against ND where she basically said "give me the ball" it is winning time
Listen to this clip of Dolson at half time of the BYU tournament game.
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oh absolutely, people are never going to appreciate that team enough. They just didn't have talent, they had people who were not afraid of big moments. That is something that can't be taught. Dolson I remember one game vs ND they were picking on her and she was struggling. Seasons later she dominated that same team and as a player. I think the current players are afraid that if they fail they will get benched but you can't view things like that. If you get benched so what? Stewart got benched? Being benched is not the end of the world, but the players really seem to act like it is.
 
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Give Caroline more time? Really? That was Seton Hall UCONN was playing!
Caroline is obvioiusly feeling the pressure. She STILL got only 5 minutes PT in the last game. No doubt she had a bad game but she needs to get in the flow of things and not feel she is going to be yanked any second if she doesn't produce immediately. Geno needs to understand that some kids need nurturing and some kids need support in order to produce. It's not "kick them in the pants" daily and see who is left. He looks like he is going to have a heart attack over every mistake.
 
I don’t know if you watched Geno’s show after the game, but the one thing I noticed when they showed practice video is that Paige is winning every suicide sprint, reinforcing what Geno & Andrea Hudy have indicated that Paige outworks everyone on the team, both in the weight room and on the court.

It’s not a guarantee that Paige won’t be injured, but she’s certainly doing everything she can to strengthen her body for the inevitable punishment she will face from opposing teams.
That was an outstanding show.
 
Unless the scheme changes, we are who we are - a perimeter, finesse team. If we shoot well, we will look good. If we dont, we will look like we did tonight and wont beat the elite teams in March/April. Paige is the only reliable player right now.

The potential game-changers might be if Azzi and AG are healthy & effective come March. Then this might change the narrative and we could potentially win "ugly" games come March/Apr.
 
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Caroline is obvioiusly feeling the pressure. She STILL got only 5 minutes PT in the last game. No doubt she had a bad game but she needs to get in the flow of things and not feel she is going to be yanked any second if she doesn't produce immediately. Geno needs to understand that some kids need nurturing and some kids need support in order to produce. It's not "kick them in the pants" daily and see who is left. He looks like he is going to have a heart attack over every mistake.
Stop making excuses and trying to change how Geno runs the the team. Caroline was put into the game yesterday ironically because Christyn Williams was not playing well at 7:07. That was less than 3 minutes into the game and UCONN was leading 7 to 6. Caroline was sub out @ 4:31. That's 2:36 of game time in which Caroline committed two fouls, missed a 3Pt shot and committed a turnover which enabled SH to take a 13 to 7 lead. That's correct UCONN did not score with Caroline on the floor during this stretch. What in Haties are you asking Geno to do, leave her in the game to dig a bigger hole? Since when is putting a player into the game less than 3 minutes in considered a daily kick in the pants?
 
Understood.
Interesting numbers from last nights action:

SOUTH CAROLINA- won by 21 points
12 players saw action.
Non starters got 79 minutes

UCONN-won by 25 points
9 players saw action.
Non starters got 41 minutes

So SC won by a smaller margin but non starters saw nearly TWICE as much playing time as UConn’s.

I realize that one game is merely a snapshot, but this is a trend at UConn,and has been for quite some time.
You know how they used to teach young Spartans to swim in Ancient Greece?
They’d throw them in the deep end.
You survive, you’re closer to becoming a Spartan Warrior.
( little extreme, but you get my point?)
Geno wants perfection and younger inexperienced players tend to look no so smooth it drives him crazy. Times have changed enjoy the process coach.
 
The Seton Hall game put the SC game in context, elevated my appreciation of that game and my feeling about the really good potential of UConn going forward.

UConn is right now not a very good team. Those first games were not just aberrations or rust, they were representative of where the team is. Yet for 30-35 minutes that disorganized team played SC at a high level and showed toughness and strength, despite the disarray. I suspect the ND game will not be pretty but will show that despite being a work-in-progress there is a core toughness here that will make this team something special once the natural skills begin to evidence. Unlike SC, I expect them to finish that game, pretty or not. ONO, CW, AE, Evina are not playing consistently well, no news there, but they are all playing tougher and stronger than last year. Nika, always tough, is lost (as she was early last year) but will be found. The new players are not playing weak or getting pushed around, not at all; this is very surprising to me; they are simply bewildered; that is a solvable problem.

It may be that Geno simply needs a little more time than usual to get his team cohesive.
 
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Caroline looks like a "deer in the headlights." In her few 1st half minutes, she dribbled the ball off her foot, committed a silly foul and shot up an airball. :(
There are seniors on the team who make the same mistakes. For example Ono at the beginning of the game. Double dribble at top of key. Geno keeps saying we have no depth. Geno, sir, this is your bench, your depth, coach them up.
 
Don't confuse UCONN's situation with ND's or Olivia Miles with Caroline. ND. can afford to experiment because they are trying to climb out of mediocrity in the ACC. UCONN is trying to get over the hump and win a championship. Azzi is hurt and Caroline has an opportunity to step in and contribute at UCONN. There was an article posted here within the last few days where Caroline stated that she understood the opportunity and was preparing to meet the challenge. Caroline's performance in the game yesterday indicated she was not prepared for the challenge and that was against SH ND. UCONN plays ND tomorrow and you want Geno to give Caroline an opportunity to go out there and match up against Olivia Miles and Sonia Citron? I don't think that's going to happen.
I don't see anywhere in my post where I stated Geno should give Caroline an opportunity to match up against Mies or Citron, although neither you or I knows whether or not she can guard them effectively, or just as well as her teammates can. She has made mistakes and so have the starters so it will benefit the team in the long run to let her get out there play more minutes. It will help the bench to get stronger. Also, don't think for a minute that ND is not trying to win a NC.
 
There are seniors on the team who make the same mistakes. For example Ono at the beginning of the game. Double dribble at top of key. Geno keeps saying we have no depth. Geno, sir, this is your bench, your depth, coach them up.
Agree that Liv’s double dribble to start the game was a head-scratcher, but Liv did some good things as well. Caroline dribbling off her foot, committing dumb fouls and throwing up an Airball, all in just a few minutes, reminded me of some of the kids who played in my son’s YMCA league when he was 8 yrs old.
 
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On #3–Ono passes on shots she SHOULD be taking, but lacks the confidence to sink.
On #5-CW chances of being AA are rapidly slipping away
“Slipping away”? She was honorable mention (i.e., not considered among the top 10-15 players) last year. This year, on a team that’s “struggling” (okay, by our own excessive standards), I’d say her chances are more like slim & none, barring a major turnaround on her part (which seems unlikely, 3.5 years in).
 
Caroline is obvioiusly feeling the pressure. She STILL got only 5 minutes PT in the last game. No doubt she had a bad game but she needs to get in the flow of things and not feel she is going to be yanked any second if she doesn't produce immediately. Geno needs to understand that some kids need nurturing and some kids need support in order to produce. It's not "kick them in the pants" daily and see who is left. He looks like he is going to have a heart attack over every mistake.
Are you serious? After 35 years and 11 NC's? Can you name a better coach that understands what individual players need? He's the king of motivation.
 
Clark scored 4 in the first half. Took over the game in second half and scored at least 18 points.
Not efficiently. But with Czinano in foul trouble, she had to launch and launch.
 
one of my complaints is the crying for fouls. I get a lot of other teams do this as well but there was nothing wrong in that arm to the face Paige received. Why Geno was losing it when in the replay you can watch it was an accident.
He’s doing it to preempt future fouls to his star player. Coaches do that all the time even when (sometimes especially when) it is clearly an accidental/unintentional foul. They are attempting to imprint on the referee the sure and certain expectation that they (the refs) can expect a serious tantrum if they get lax on calling fouls against the star player, especially those fouls that may be rough or potentially dangerous to that player. Of course they are also concerned about all the other players as well but they (coaches) are particularly sensitive about their star, especially when that star is fairly slight/small and thus might be the deliberate target of rough or intimidating play in an effort to physically affect her/his performance.
 
A win is a win, even if it is an ugly one. We are not a very good team without PB. I would say everybody is performing a bit lower or a lot lower than expected.

Liv was decent. I like her aggressiveness but she needs to finish better. AE played better but no sign of a sophomore leap from her as I expected...yet anyways... She still has the shuffles when she makes her move. You think she would have worked this out over the summer. CW is good, not great and probably not capable of taking over big games for us. The bench is dreadful. NM did some good things. I don't expect a big leap from her unless it is her outside shooting and I don't expect that to be great for her career. Her delivery is just too long. I'd be surprised if she hit 40% again...more like low to mid 30s. Starting to see a bit more out of DJ so that is good. EW shot poorly but did some other things reasonably well. I'm starting to worry about our ability to score points...

A lot of teams don't look great now but we certainly don't look very good. But....a win is a win and it is still early! And...we have PB...so we are capable of doing great thing with her on board. Plus we got a few really good players who I think will show themselves later this season....., CD and AG. Yes I do expect CD to adjust and be a factor off the bench.
 
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Negativity abounds after a 25 point win. It is very unusual for fan expectations to be steeped in reality and Uconn fans are no different.
Ono and Williams are what they are, good players but after three years many still expect them to be something they are not. Westbrook, in my mind is much the same, a good player. Edwards appears to be much the same player as last year, I see little improvement, certainly none in the energy department. All four have holes in their games and are prone to disappear at times.
Bueckers to me has improved significantly, significantly, especially on defense. On offense, she also seems to understand that she needs to look for her own shot and she is doing it much more than last year.
So the bench, and here is where I think Auriemma’s major weakness is showing. The idea of earning time in practice is fine, obviously, but what that means exactly is different to different people. If Ducharme has the skills he has said she has, and hustles and shows those skills in practice then she needs to get minutes to relax and get comfortable on the court. Not at crunch time, but what exactly is the purpose giving 30 to 30+ minutes to four starters in a 25 point blowout? Now one could make the argument that was because of the 11 day layoff but I don’t buy it, that coaching style has been Auriemma’s MO for a long time.
Nika Muhl has also shown, in limited opportunities, to be much the same player as last year. To those who want to judge players by their scoring, she should never get a minute at this level. But there is more to the game than scoring and that is where IMO, her value lies. First, her defense, her energy and aggressiveness; in the minutes she was in the game last night, Park-Lane did next to nothing, Seton Hall’s offense started a couple of feet further out or became bogged down trying to get the ball to her again after she gave it up. I would be remiss if I didn’t note that Bueckers also hounded her very, very effectively when she was on her. Which brings me to my second point regarding Muhl, and it directly concerns Bueckers; it is VERY difficult to have a true team offensive flow when your point guard is also your primary scorer, never mind the effort Bueckers expends on defense and rebounding. I usually don’t go there but late in the game Bueckers went to the ground near one of the benches in a scrum with a SHU player and I couldn’t help but think what a disaster it would be if she got hurt late still on the court in a blowout. I think moving Bueckers over to the 2 is a move that would best serve the team on several levels and have thought and posted that more than once.
Which brings me to Fudd. I have no idea how good she is or can be. I don’t care what she did in HS, in four games at this level she had one great stand still shooting game and did little else in the other three, while showing to be a major liability on defense. Now that very well may be because of injuries, or maybe the several injuries she evidently has had has slowed her down to the point she is just not quick enough to be effective at this level as anything other than a stand still shooter. For any who take offense, I will be the first to say that four games is absolutely nowhere near enough to make anything resembling a solid opinion, it is nothing more than a first impression.
For anyone else on the team, how can anyone judge them since they don’t play?
In short, my feeling is to develop depth and team chemistry you need to play depth and stop chasing “the perfect game”. Players need to sometimes play through mistakes, especially young players and I think it is very counter productive to let starters play through mistakes, many the same over and over, while yanking reserves after any and all.
I think Azzi is likely to turn out to be a very good player, perhaps even a great one. However, (realizing that injury may be largely or somewhat responsible for her performance level so far) it is abundantly clear that those (and there were many) posters who insisted that Azzi was better (or at least as good) as Paige were engaging in wishful thinking! Players like Paige are unbelievably rare and to blithely expect two “unicorns” in consecutive recruiting years is simply unrealistic. Again, this is not to say Azzi will not be a great player! She may end up on the wall along with other UConn greats. I certainly hope she does! I’m simply saying that imo, those posters just don’t truly understand how special and rare Paige Bueckers really is.
 
I don't see anywhere in my post where I stated Geno should give Caroline an opportunity to match up against Mies or Citron, although neither you or I knows whether or not she can guard them effectively, or just as well as her teammates can. She has made mistakes and so have the starters so it will benefit the team in the long run to let her get out there play more minutes. It will help the bench to get stronger. Also, don't think for a minute that ND is not trying to win a NC.
I don't care what ND does. UCONN plays ND tomorrow. Do you want Caroline to play or not?
 
I would respectfully suggest that we have 1 clear leader on the team, but it would be much better if Paige wasn’t the “Lone Ranger,” and got more help from her teammates. Where the hell is Tonto?
Hate to say it but I think once we get into conference play, it might be good to sit Paige down for three games in a row. I know that’s not gonna happen but imo it would force the team to step up and play together w/o the “Paige will take over if we get behind” mentality. If they lost it would be a “slap in the face” reality check that might change their attitude in practice and if they won, it would give them confidence that they can win without her!
 
I think Azzi is likely to turn out to be a very good player, perhaps even a great one. However, (realizing that injury may be largely or somewhat responsible for her performance level so far) it is abundantly clear that those (and there were many) posters who insisted that Azzi was better (or at least as good) as Paige were engaging in wishful thinking! Players like Paige are unbelievably rare and to blithely expect two “unicorns” in consecutive recruiting years is simply unrealistic. Again, this is not to say Azzi will not be a great player! She may end up on the wall along with other UConn greats. I certainly hope she does! I’m simply saying that imo, those posters just don’t truly understand how special and rare Paige Bueckers really is.
As I stated, I have no idea of her ceiling at this level. I would be surprised though if the Uconn staff put her on the court compromised, saw her inability to keep up on defense and still left her on the court resulting in her sitting out. I could be wrong but since I don’t know the nature and cause of her current injury I am totally speculating. If it has been shared, it is on a thread I haven‘t visited.
 
yea barring injuries idk who is stopping South Carolina. I mean they were who I thought would win it all, but to be this dominant. Obviously a lot of season to still be played, but what is scary is I don't think they played their best yet.
Neither have we!
 
Hate to say it but I think once we get into conference play, it might be good to sit Paige down for three games in a row. I know that’s not gonna happen but imo it would force the team to step up and play together w/o the “Paige will take over if we get behind” mentality. If they lost it would be a “slap in the face” reality check that might change their attitude in practice and if they won, it would give them confidence that they can win without her!
Well that’s not gonna happen, but, as I previously proposed, how about obtaining a sizable lead by the half, sitting Paige, and telling the team it’s “their’s to win or lose”?
Or, next tim Paige gets dinged up , sit here down to recuperate?
Actually, I believe that is inevitable.
 
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