Seth Davis tweet: ND in early but signIficant talks with ACC

[upstater]

RU is an AAU school. That trumps UConn.

An AAU school cutting programs like mad while their rep drops like a rock.

 

[flyonthewall]

I Know football drives the but how much recent success have pitt and Syracuse had?

Recent success is not the only thing that matters. Whether a school is a 'brand' also does and Pitt and SU are still more of a brand in FB than UConn.

Think back to the games earlier this year when Pitt and Syracuse were on ESPN. The announcers went over the history of the schools, guys like Tony Dorsett, Dan marino, Bill Fralic, Mark May, Mike Ditka, etc. and national championships and the Heisman trophy for Pitt. For SU it was guys like Ernie Davis, Jim Brown, Floyd Little, Al Davis, etc. plus a national championship and Heisman trophy. Like it or not that kind of history makes a school a 'brand' and a brand can withstand a few down years.

Putting it another way, if Pitt, SU and UConn were all playing the same team in a televised game people with no particular affinity for any of those three schools are more likely to watch the games involving Pitt and SU and the other team than they are as far as a game with UConn simply because they know much more about the 'name' or 'brand' of Pitt and SU than they do about UConn.

Basketball UConn is a top brand, for FB something less and right now as far as conference expansion FB is what matters.

 

[Adios]

If ND is not going to join in football full-time, Rutgers and UConn will probably both get invites. Personally, I'd rather go to the B1G...

 

[upstater]

Recent success is not the only thing that matters. Whether a school is a 'brand' also does and Pitt and SU are still more of a brand in FB than UConn.

Think back to the games earlier this year when Pitt and Syracuse were on ESPN. The announcers went over the history of the schools, guys like Tony Dorsett, Dan marino, Bill Fralic, Mark May, Mike Ditka, etc. and national championships and the Heisman trophy for Pitt. For SU it was guys like Ernie Davis, Jim Brown, Floyd Little, Al Davis, etc. plus a national championship and Heisman trophy. Like it or not that kind of history makes a school a 'brand' and a brand can withstand a few down years.

Putting it another way, if Pitt, SU and UConn were all playing the same team in a televised game people with no particular affinity for any of those three schools are more likely to watch the games involving Pitt and SU and the other team than they are as far as a game with UConn simply because they know much more about the 'name' or 'brand' of Pitt and SU than they do about UConn.

Basketball UConn is a top brand, for FB something less and right now as far as conference expansion FB is what matters.

I just took a cursory look at the rankings during Syracuse's heyday. Cuse was ranked 6 times that decade, but check this out:

1960:
Navy, Yale, New Mexico St. ranked ahead of it.

1961:
Utah St., Rutgers, Rice, Duke in top 20

1962:
Duke, Northwestern

1963:
Navy #2, Memphis St.

1964:
Princeton, New Mexico, Tulsa

1965:
Tulsa

1966:
Wyoming, Houston

1967:
Wyoming #4, Houston

Houston finished ranked 5 times that decade.

It was a different time. The luster for Cuse is gone. Look at Pitt's record since the early 1980s. It's been 30 years of mediocrity and worse.

 

[uconnfan68]

An AAU school cutting programs like mad while their rep drops like a rock.

Thanks for the update. ;^) I "think" UConn is going in the right direction academically, sort of nice to know RU may not be. Just being selfish there though. I just can't see us being left behind, but it's getting to that point.

 

[Danzz]

I've lived in Carolina and Virginia, the center of the ACC. We did play rebels versus traitors as kids. Be that as it may, I read Yunte Wang's article in the NYT about Alabama's new immigration law this weekend. I mean, there ARE cultural differences.

I went to college in the South in the 60's and there are HUGE cultural differences.For one thing, the town where I went to school was segregated in every way. It was culture shock for a kid from the north end of Hartford.
They don't really like Yankees but as they get to know you that changes for the most part. Everyone is nice and polite and you get the feeling everyone likes you even though some hate your guts umlike the the Northeast where nobody bothers to try to fool you.
I don't know how and if this plays into reallignment but I'll bet it is a factor.

 

[ZooCougar]

don't see how that is a conference issue.

Dear any AD in the country: you can have only one of the following two things: men's andomen's head coaches that like each other, or men's and women's head coaches that win at least 3 national championships each. Which will it be? You have 10 days to decide.

What's that? You have decided already? What? I'm the idiot?

Too true. Being middle management in the SEC Front Office is a bit like being an clerk's errand boy in terms of influence and awareness.

 

[TouchdownHusky]

UConn, red headed stepchild? It's amazing that as successful as UConn's athletics programs have been over the last two decades, the university is seemingly universally shunned in the realignment game.[/quote
No kidding. What is the matter with these people. The ACC took BCU and now they aren't interested in UConn. Must been their desire to expand their Southern Fried Conference into the hockey business, since that's all the the Eagles offer.

 

[scdono]

Based on the announcement by Notre Dame today, apparently an ACC talking piece like Seth was apparently misinformed. Do you think we can get a retraction?