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I hope Pitino gets banned from coaching ever again and their title and final fours taken away. Having said that I hope they don't get banned and punishing the kids and fans who spent money supporting that program without knowing what was really going on. Instead I would like Louisville fined or have their fans watch their home games at KFC center? free of charge for a whole season along with 5 years of probation.
 
Roy and Ricky will pull a Seargent Schultz and nothing will happen to them personally.
 
jibsey said:
Roy and Ricky will pull a Seargent Schultz and nothing will happen to them personally.
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Roy maybe. But Pitino's working under the new penalty structure which holds coaches accountable regardless. Not to mention, he's working on sex scandal #2. I don't think the NCAA is his biggest problem. His own president went out of his way to praise the AD but never mentioned Pitino.
 
Former Players Mentioned in Article
Russ Smith
Terrance Williams
Motrezl Harrel
Peyton Siva
Terry Rozier - "I don't want to talk about it. ... I was already committed before I took my visit. ... I will say, though, Coach P [Pitino], as far as the dorm situations and visits, he'd go out to eat with the recruits and their parents. As far as after that, he wouldn't know. ... I can say his nose is clean." This might be all the NCAA needs...
Antonio Blakeney
etc...

...plus new HC liability rule means even if Pitino didn't know it was going on, he's still punished like he did know.

This is BAD for Louisville. Any way this leads to vacating wins?
 
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I'll say it again: this will not be swept under the rug.
Not on a college campus it won't.

There is a lot of nervousness in the NCAA over this. All it takes is one Sally Jenkins article in the Washington Post to blow this whole thing up. Don't miss the obvious. More than 50% of the students on college campuses are women. The NCAA has to come down hard on this. If they don't, they risk a huge Goodell/Ray Rice backlash.
 
upstater said:
I'll say it again: this will not be swept under the rug.
Not on a college campus it won't.

There is a lot of nervousness in the NCAA over this. All it takes is one Sally Jenkins article in the Washington Post to blow this whole thing up. Don't miss the obvious. More than 50% of the students on college campuses are women. The NCAA has to come down hard on this. If they don't, they risk a huge Goodell/Ray Rice backlash.
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Agreed. Pitino is done and if the evidence they are alleging checks out that 2013 title will be vacated.
 
I know it was wrong and those involved should stand justice. But I have little respect for this woman (same if it even was a man).
She has a right to snitch, write a book and prosper, but damn to tell all and have been a willing participant (not witness or victim) is just not cool. She ain't the first and she won't be the last.

Someone or something must have activated her all out war button.
 
Kitaman said:
I know it was wrong and those involved should stand justice. But I have little respect for this woman (same if it even was a man).
She has a right to snitch, write a book and prosper, but damn to tell all and have been a willing participant (not witness or victim) is just not cool.
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The story isn't about her or her morality.
 
Some pretty rich quotes here:

Richard Pitino, Rick’s son and the head coach at Minnesota, told OTL on Tuesday: “I can say 100 percent sure with zero doubt that Rick Pitino knew nothing about these alleged incidents.”
Seton Hall coach Kevin Willard, a former Pitino assistant, also says Rick Pitino was not aware what was going on at the time. “Rick Pitino absolutely had no knowledge that these allegations were going on at anytime,” Willard told SNY.tv. “Anyone that has worked for Coach Pitino or is a friend of Coach knows this and supports him.”

100 percent zero doubt. Sure.
 
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superjohn said:
The story isn't about her or her morality.
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I know what the story is about its still just not cool. As I said someone must have did something or said something to and about her. This is heading into dangerous territory.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...its-acknowledge-stripper-parties-minardi-hall

With most crime, the most compelling evidence is to simply follow the money.

"Powell said McGee paid her upward of $10,000, mainly, she said, for delivering the dancers to the parties that McGee had organized."

"Outside the Lines has independently confirmed a wire transfer of money from McGee to Powell on one occasion."
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With a typical graduate assistant coach earning $40K to $60K a year, where did McGee get $10K to spend on adult entertainment for their recruits? if that money can be tied back to the university or an established university booster, Louisville is toast as this not only violates NCAA rules, its criminal. Both Pitino and Jurich's necks could be on the line here.

As for Pinto not knowing.

"They attended parties at a campus dorm from 2010 to 2014 that included strippers paid for by the team's former graduate assistant coach, Andre McGee."
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These parties were organized by a member of his coaching staff and took place in a university owned dorm - Billy Minardi Hall

https://louisville.edu/campustour/belknap/billy-minardi-hall

http://www.courier-journal.com/stor...ment-firm-details-security-protocol/73476084/

This is a male only dorm that looks to house only the basketball team. Entry is by bio-metric locked doors, guests are required to sign in, and the building has over a dozen security cameras. There is no way that other members of Louisville's coaching staff did not know about these events. I can see the staff hiding one 'event' from Pitino; but, hiding several, just does not seem plausible this day and age.
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As a former graduate assistant myself, I want to know where you think GA's are making on average, between $40-$60k.... Try less than $30: And that's pushing it.

But point taken nonetheless.
 
The posts on the UL boards are hilarious. One guy claiming ESPN has no right to look into this and they should be bound by NCAA rules like UL is. Apparently them practicing investigative journalism is interfering with the NCAA. Who knew?
 
ESPN is following the "crum"s to Pitino. This is great! And the soldiers coming out in support of Pitino is text book material.
 
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zls44 said:
And it all happens in the time period of the new ncaa rules where coaches are held liable for anything their assistants do.

Pitino's toast with the NCAA. That 2013 banner won't live long. Of course, UL won't fire him because they have lower standards than the escort involved.
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Inyatkin said:
Some pretty rich quotes here:

Richard Pitino, Rick’s son and the head coach at Minnesota, told OTL on Tuesday: “I can say 100 percent sure with zero doubt that Rick Pitino knew nothing about these alleged incidents.”
Seton Hall coach Kevin Willard, a former Pitino assistant, also says Rick Pitino was not aware what was going on at the time. “Rick Pitino absolutely had no knowledge that these allegations were going on at anytime,” Willard told SNY.tv. “Anyone that has worked for Coach Pitino or is a friend of Coach knows this and supports him.”

100 percent zero doubt. Sure.
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Do I believe Pitino knew all the details of these parties, no. Do I believe he told his staff to win these recruiting battles at all costs, yes.
Any coach who doesn't know what a 17 or 18 year old entrusted to his care is doing at night is unworthy of his position. He may not know, hey "Joe" got 3 lap dances, but he should at least know "we had a little party in the dorm for Joe." He may not want to know the particulars, but he would need to know where "Joe" was and is he ok this morning. He can't cry ignorance here and maintain credibility.
 
CallMeBruce said:
I have to imagine he is. Or, at least, that he's done coaching high-major basketball. I could see a dump like Binghamton not caring about this, but that's about it.

The Louisville fans on Reddit have basically resigned themselves to everything, and are just praying the 2013 title doesn't get vacated.
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A dump like Binghamton?

What the heck do you know about that SUNY? Not that I have a dog in this; however, you picked on a highly desirable - if you ask NY parents - research University. And, maybe you were choosing to go after the City. It is like lots of other mid-sized NE/NY former manufacturing places.
 
What surprised me, and maybe it shouldn't have, is that it's not just the players that received this special attention. The girls were also provided to parents/guardians that were accompanying the kids. I can see an 18 year-old kid not caring if something was improper, but where were the adults in this?
 
Pudge said:
A dump like Binghamton?

What the heck do you know about that SUNY? Not that I have a dog in this; however, you picked on a highly desirable - if you ask NY parents - research University. And, maybe you were choosing to go after the City. It is like lots of other mid-sized NE/NY former manufacturing places.
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Because a similar level of scandal happened at Binghamton.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binghamton_University_basketball_scandal
 
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Here's how it's going to go down.

NCAA before the NCAA infractions committee

In the Matter of University of Louisville, Rick Pitino and Bobby Petrino (just because he probably did something wrong), Respondents.

File No. 123456
September 17, 2022

Pitno: "Point of parliamentary procedure!"

Jurich: "Don't screw around Rick, they're serious this time!"

Pitino: "Take it easy, I was pre-law."

Jurich: "I thought you were pre-med."

Pitino: "What's the difference?"

[Addressing the NCAA Tribunal]

Pitino: "Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests - we did.

"But you can't hold a whole basketball program responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole NCAA basketball system? And if the whole NCAA basketball system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Emmert - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!

[Leads the basketball coaches, players, and Bobby Petrino (just for the hell of it) out of the hearing, all humming the Star-Spangled Banner]
 
Hey coach Willard I'll bet any friend of Pitino also believes there is no way he would cheat on his wife by banging some crazy in a restaurant and then paying for her to get an abortion.
There is just no way Pitino would do that. Anyone who knows him can be sure..
 
Pitino probably didn't plan these events. Probably gave the GA a slush fund of booster cash, perhaps his own, to entertain recruits. I doubt he ever went to the dorms.

But it's hard to believe that word of what went down didn't eventually find it's way back to Rick or one of his top assistants. It wasn't a one time thing and these are 17-20 dudes. There was probably a keep dad in the dark vibe to the whole thing unofficially if not directly stated. But parents know when their kids are misbehaving.

But you're nuts if you don't think other schools use girls in recruiting. The ville might just be a place where pros are necessary.
 
PopcornHatKid said:
As a former graduate assistant myself, I want to know where you think GA's are making on average, between $40-$60k.... Try less than $30: And that's pushing it.

But point taken nonetheless.
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Ironically, I looked it up and found an article on SB Nation that included Louisville.

http://www.sbnation.com/longform/20...life-of-an-assistant-college-basketball-coach

"Most assistants make the equivalent or just above that of an assistant professor at the schools where they coach, anywhere from $40,000 to $60,000."
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Its the internet, so it must be true :cool: That said, as we all know that US culture supports sports above academics, no surprise at all that a graduate assistance coach makes at or above the higher end of the salary range for an academic graduate assistant.
 
As a head coach of an NCAA division 1 basketball team, is that a solid defense? Claiming i had no knowledge? Isnt that negligence? Shouldnt you know what is going on with your recruits when they come to visit, every last detail of what is going to happen with them? Not i turned them over to this person and I dont know what happened after that... thats just too convenient if you ask me. I mean i know there are alot of moving parts and its hart to follow all of them and know what everyone is doing, but the recruits coming in? I just dont buy it, and if you dont know its because you chose to look the other way and say, I dont know nothing, dont want to hear nothing, i'm not involved. He knew SOMETHING was up and that should be enough to be held liable if you ask me.
 
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