Scouting Services Not Too High On UConn Football's Recruiting Class (Des) | The Boneyard

Scouting Services Not Too High On UConn Football's Recruiting Class (Des)

Status
Not open for further replies.
Joined
Aug 26, 2011
Messages
91,868
Reaction Score
351,801
ground-hog-day-jpg.11910


desmondconner4:17pm via Mobile Web
#UConnFootball: Scouting Services Not Too High On UConn Football's Recruiting Class
http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-football/hc-uconn-football-signing-day0203-20160202-story.html

Stars do count but as a tag alone article: This is how rare it is to be a blue-chip college football recruit
http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...ecruiting-stars-rankings-high-school-football
  • For every five-star recruit, there are approximately: 11 four-star recruits, 36 three-star recruits, 61 two-star recruits and 9,090 other seniors playing football.
  • The odds of being a four- or five-star recruit from a given senior class are about 387 out of 300,000 -- or 0.13 percent. For five-stars alone, the chances are about 0.01 percent.
  • The odds of being even a three-star recruit or better are approximately 0.6 percent.
 

Exit 4

This space for rent
Joined
Feb 3, 2012
Messages
10,612
Reaction Score
39,701
Whatever about the scouts. Vickers and Hopkins have great tapes - much better than the zero star disrespect they have received.

Being the home state paper for UConn, I would have waited to publish this kind of story until after NLI day. I suppose the story being hid behind a paywall helps us.
 
Joined
Sep 19, 2015
Messages
112
Reaction Score
200
Every year it is the obligatory article on how badly we recruit. During PP years, we had higher ratings. These services just make money because there are people out there who will pay for them.
Absolutely correct! This star crap is little more than a scam foisted upon folks anxious to be "experts" in judging talent. Really dumb.
 
Joined
Aug 24, 2011
Messages
4,321
Reaction Score
11,281
Honestly, how long have we been reading this stuff? I care not at all where these classes rank. If we have classes ranked in the top 10 someday, then it will have some meaning, but whether your ranked 75th or 55th or 45th is just about meaningless. It's just not that refined a science or evaluation.
 
Joined
Aug 24, 2011
Messages
8,269
Reaction Score
17,594
For all of the ratings nonsense, in terms of ratings and other offers, this class is a huge improvement over the others we've managed to procure since the American came to be. In this class (by my count), 11 kids had other FBS offers, and 9 of them had P5 offers. 2015 was filled with kids that no other program -- P5, FBS, or even FCS -- thought was worthy of an offer. 2014 was a little better, but still a lot of guys with only one offer.

Of course, you can't judge the players until they show up and play, but it's at least somewhat satisfying to know that we are bringing in guys who other coaches think can play.
 
Joined
Sep 21, 2013
Messages
822
Reaction Score
1,296
Desmond Conner is such a gas bag. He criticized RE for his recruiting class over and over and when P came in touted it because it gotten a tad better. He would also waver back and fourth that the star rating system didn't mean anything.
 

mikedog10

Tailgating Enthusiast
Joined
Mar 5, 2014
Messages
876
Reaction Score
5,312
The incoming class rating is hurt by the small size of the class, but they are a bunch of RKGs. If they had expressed any interest in P5 offers, their stars would have gone up. Instead, they were too committed to UConn. Just wait until they get a year with Bialis!
 

Redding Husky

UConn & SMU alum
Joined
Mar 12, 2015
Messages
2,196
Reaction Score
5,790
The star system is irrelevant. In the 1990's, Notre Dame allegedly had a top recruiting class every year and they won jack squat. The recruiting services hated Nebraska's recruiting classes every year and the Cornhuskers won three NC's.

If they can't accurately judge the classes at Notre Dame and Nebraska, how can they possibly judge UConn, Cincinnati, and ECU?
 

uconnbill

A Half full kind of guy
Joined
Aug 26, 2011
Messages
8,548
Reaction Score
15,115
Just look and see who offered these players and that will tell you how highly rated they are. Scout, Rivals and 24/7 depend on subscribers and those with higher numbers of subscribers get higher rated players. I've seen players commit to one school as a two star and then commit elsewhere and get a bump right away, sometimes a two star bump.
 

CTMike

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Joined
Aug 26, 2011
Messages
11,379
Reaction Score
40,602
Stars are a probability of future success and nothing more. It is more likely that a 4 or 5 star player will be great and all things being equal (personality, fit, etc.) of course I would rather have them. Everyone should. But once you get down to 3 stars and below the confidence of future success is essentially a crap shoot. 2 or 3 star players that work hard and are coached up can and do end up ahead of 4 or 5 star players that are lazy or poorly coached - we are banking on exactly that.
 
Joined
Sep 5, 2011
Messages
668
Reaction Score
836
Just look and see who offered these players and that will tell you how highly rated they are. Scout, Rivals and 24/7 depend on subscribers and those with higher numbers of subscribers get higher rated players. I've seen players commit to one school as a two star and then commit elsewhere and get a bump right away, sometimes a two star bump.

I agree with this theory of analysis. What other coach/program(s) thought enough of your recruit to offer them a scholly?

Secondly, what other coaches/programs even expressed an interest?

No other offers from anyone at any level? Only UConn thinks they can compete with the best of the best with a squad comprised of these types of recruits. Maybe in the BE and AAC which have never been strong conferences. I'm not sure we'd do as good as or better than BC in the ACC.

Some use stars, I use the above. But they probably result in the same predictions of on field performance.

UConn has never been perceived as a powerhouse, and I'm not too optimistic that they will reach the explosiveness of some of the better AAC teams.
 
Joined
Aug 31, 2011
Messages
2,793
Reaction Score
4,904
The star system is overrated, but it is also not the piling heap of dump some suggest. There are certain kids who dominate in HS, and in areas of the country where there is very high talent. That does not mean the kid will end up in the NFL. It does mean that if he has his head on straight, stays healthy and plays well within the system he chooses, he has an incredibly high probability of success at the college level.

Where the issues can arise are distinguishing between a 3/4 or a 2/3 star - at some point, it becomes a guess (and if the kid is recruited by a school with a big following on that particular service, he'll likely get bumped). IMO, 24/7 comes closest to trying to sort it out, but let's be honest - can anyone stand up and say I notice a .0036 difference in the play between Nino Leone and Vickers, and therefore affirmatively state the former is a 3 and the latter a 2 star?

I'll be honest - I'd love to see us compete for 4 stars, and then start winning some. I'm not interested in getting caught up in the game recruiting has become - hat selections, scavenger hunt videos, etc.

What I see here is a program at work, from start to finish that is focused on identifying players that fit the system and culture, that are RKGs, and that develop within the program and the school. A recruiting style that emphasizes development and is geographically focused, so that we can develop kids while nurturing relationships and building brand in select areas. I am excited today to welcome new pups to the program and hopeful that they will develop under our eyes. I think there is a lot to look forward with this class and, more importantly, a lot to look forward with this program. Get your letters signed and faxed boys, because starting tomorrow no one associated with sports will ever again assign a star rating to you.
 

Redding Husky

UConn & SMU alum
Joined
Mar 12, 2015
Messages
2,196
Reaction Score
5,790

I think the rankings are good general indicators. A team with all fours is obviously going to be better than a team with all twos. But to say the #15 ranked team has no chance to beat the #5 ranked team is foolish. Some schools get kids that have already peaked. Some schools get kids that haven't fully developed. Then there's the coaching issue.

Having the #10 ranked recruiting class every year does not guarantee a Top 10 finish.
 
Joined
Aug 28, 2011
Messages
1,226
Reaction Score
1,838
I think the rankings are good general indicators. A team with all fours is obviously going to be better than a team with all twos. But to say the #15 ranked team has no chance to beat the #5 ranked team is foolish. Some schools get kids that have already peaked. Some schools get kids that haven't fully developed. Then there's the coaching issue.

Having the #10 ranked recruiting class every year does not guarantee a Top 10 finish.
Having a lot of room for improvement and a willingness to improve is very very very important. Disco prioritizes this over current performance. We will see if this strategy pays off over the next 1-2 years.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Online statistics

Members online
312
Guests online
2,179
Total visitors
2,491

Forum statistics

Threads
159,668
Messages
4,199,503
Members
10,068
Latest member
bohratom


.
Top Bottom