SCOTUS rules against NCAA

[The Funster]

Thank you P5! Your efforts to monetize any aspect of sport that you could for your own benefit, your desire to squeeze every last dollar in an effort to be "the best" has opened Pandora's box and has put college athletics at risk. Well done you classless, greedy

 

[Waquoit]

The "amateur model" is and has always been, bollocks. Jim Thorpe was screwed over a century ago. Rich people hate paying the help.

 

[Slick]

Schools have largely already been slashing non-revenue sports.

Schools have been slashing non revenue sports but that was the tip of the iceberg . I think this is going to destroy non revenue sports and negative impact many African America players

 

[Psolo12]

GREAT flick...very funny, almost as funny as... Gorsuch: "the NCAA is not above the law".... that line is highsterical.

That line is actually from Kavanaugh's concurrence, not Gorsuch's opinion.

 

[upstater]

“well, akshully-ing” a unanimous slam dunk ruling… only on the boneyard!

Full of ridiculous misstatements easily disproven like "Nowhere else in American society is labor unpaid."

But go on in ignorance.

 

[upstater]

I.R.C. Section 117 excludes scholarships and some related expenses from income, 26 U.S. Code § 117 - Qualified scholarships

What about room & board?

 

[Greedo]

This would probably never happen, but I think it would be really cool if college athletics turned into farm systems for professional sports. For example, UConn and BC could be feeder programs for the Patriots, with the Patriots funding those programs. UConn could be a feeder for the Celtics or Knicks with basketball, with one of those programs financing UConn basketball etc. I'm sure others will think it's a dumb idea, but I think it would be cool. It would benefit UConn a ton, being one of the few major sports programs in the northeast.

 

[CL82]

This would probably never happen, but I think it would be really cool if college athletics turned into farm systems for professional sports. For example, UConn and BC could be feeder programs for the Patriots, with the Patriots funding those programs. UConn could be a feeder for the Celtics or Knicks with basketball, with one of those programs financing UConn basketball etc. I'm sure others will think it's a dumb idea, but I think it would be cool. It would benefit UConn a ton, being one of the few major sports programs in the northeast.

 

[navery12]

This would probably never happen, but I think it would be really cool if college athletics turned into farm systems for professional sports. For example, UConn and BC could be feeder programs for the Patriots, with the Patriots funding those programs. UConn could be a feeder for the Celtics or Knicks with basketball, with one of those programs financing UConn basketball etc. I'm sure others will think it's a dumb idea, but I think it would be cool. It would benefit UConn a ton, being one of the few major sports programs in the northeast.

I could get on board with kids coming to college already drafted like they do with hockey, this idea seems a bit too far fetched for my taste

 

[Guapo]

I could get on board with kids coming to college already drafted like they do with hockey, this idea seems a bit too far fetched for my taste

I don’t mind the idea of kids coming to college already drafted either. However, the idea of college sports “officially” becoming a development program for the pros is something that can only come from the mind of a New England/Northeast fan lol

 

[UConn990411]

Kind of crazy how many people on here are opposed to this decision, but it’s not shocking either.

 

[Psolo12]

I'd love for the people opposed to this decision to have to tell the broke college kid it's okay for Emmert to be a multi-millionaire while they would lose eligibility for receiving a free meal based on them being a UConn basketball player.

 

[Waquoit]

Kind of crazy how many people on here are opposed to this decision, but it’s not shocking either.

Personal entertainment trumps all.

 

[Guapo]

Like I said earlier in this thread, once the game starts and there are people on the court wearing UConn uniforms playing basketball; a lot of this noise should fall by the wayside

 

[Edward Sargent]

Why aren’t room and board, the living stipend and other items “above” tuition not taxed now and how does today’s ruling change the status quo as it relates to those items?

There is also something called the Spruch Amendment from 1961. I was paid as an employee while I was a grad student at NYU but did not have to pay taxes as long as I was a student. The same amendment should apply to student athletes.

 

[Dean Wormer]

Kind of crazy how many people on here are opposed to this decision, but it’s not shocking either.

Change is scary to some people, even when its necessary.
The old system had a nice run but once the duckets got bigger, it was doomed to failure. Billions of $$ -vs- tuition and a degree is not a fair match, no matter how the "amatuer" NCAA wants it to be. It won't happen overnight but at least now they can work out a system that works for everybody, at least that's the hope. This was a long time coming.

 

[superjohn]

Change is scary, even when its necessary.
The old system had a nice run but once the duckets got bigger, it was doomed to failure. Billions of $$ -vs- tuition and a degree is not a fair match, no matter how the "amatuer" NCAA wants it to be. It won't happen overnight but at least now they can work out a system that works for everybody, at least that's the hope. This was a long time coming.

Sounds nice but nothing ever works for everybody. Everything is pointing to us having less haves who have more and the rest will be have nots.

 

[Dean Wormer]

Sounds nice but nothing ever works for everybody. Everything is pointing to us having less haves who have more and the rest will be have nots.

Very true. It wasn't gonna stay the same not with P5 banking on something like this happening all these years. We may end up s outta luck, but the signs were all there long ago. Hell, there's P5 members right now who might end up on the short end. How long will a conference be willing to carry a school that's not pulling its weight (here's looking at you, Wake Forest).
If Oregan gives a kid access to Phil Knight money and Nike clout, why would he even consider going elsewhere when there's only a limited number of others nationally that could compete like that? We were shunned once and this smells like the 2nd shoe dropping to me. sucks but inevitable.

 

[superjohn]

Very true. It wasn't gonna stay the same not with P5 banking on something like this happening all these years. We may end up s outta luck, but the signs were all there long ago. Hell, there's P5 members right now who might end up on the short end. How long will a conference be willing to carry a school that's not pulling its weight (here's looking at you, Wake Forest).
If Oregan gives a kid access to Phil Knight money and Nike clout, why would he even consider going elsewhere when there's only a limited number of others nationally that could compete like that? We were shunned once and this smells like the 2nd shoe dropping to me. sucks but inevitable.

I just don't understand the thinking that where we could be headed is good for college sports. If it plays out the way I think it could it would probably be the end of college sports...

 

[upstater]

Change is scary to some people, even when its necessary.
The old system had a nice run but once the duckets got bigger, it was doomed to failure. Billions of $$ -vs- tuition and a degree is not a fair match, no matter how the "amatuer" NCAA wants it to be. It won't happen overnight but at least now they can work out a system that works for everybody, at least that's the hope. This was a long time coming.

Billions spreads over 4000 schools and 400,000 athletes.

 

[upstater]

Kind of crazy how many people on here are opposed to this decision, but it’s not shocking either.

Why?

 

[Chin Diesel]

Sounds nice but nothing ever works for everybody. Everything is pointing to us having less haves who have more and the rest will be have nots.

Those who pushed for this "reform" consider your statement to be a feature not a bug.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

the real villain (if such a thing exists) here, are the TV executives, the apparel executives, the schools themselves and presidents, the NCAA, the Bowl Committees and the entire apparatus that had become fabulously wealthy thanks to the labor of others - paid or otherwise

I don't know, man, Dabo Sweeney's a pretty easy guy to dislike.

 

[Guapo]

I don't know, man, Dabo Sweeney's a pretty easy guy to dislike.

definitely

 

[upstater]

I’m generally on your side, but copy and pasted my response to a similar comment about coaches salaries on the football board:


I don’t really have a problem with coach’s salaries - they’re working to produce the product that others are profiting from. How valuable has Nick Saban been to Alabama? It’s almost incalculable.

the real villain (if such a thing exists) here, are the TV executives, the apparel executives, the schools themselves and presidents, the NCAA, the Bowl Committees and the entire apparatus that had become fabulously wealthy thanks to the labor of others - paid or otherwise

Break it down please. How have the schools become fabulously wealthy off of this?

It's the coaches who are creating the totally distorted reality between players compensation and coaching compensation.

 

[Guapo]

Break it down please. How have the schools become fabulously wealthy off of this?

It's the coaches who are creating the totally distorted reality between players compensation and coaching compensation.

Schools are not a “for profit” business in the same ways our hospitals and health care facilities are not “for profit.” Look at president’s and administrative salaries at these schools - and their operating budgets, public support and donations; not to mention their public profiles. I’m not saying these are necessarily bad things - it shows the inherent value of athletics.

Do you think UConn is what it is today without the basketball programs?

 

[HuskyHawk]

Schools are not a “for profit” business in the same ways our hospitals and health care facilities are not “for profit.” Look at president’s and administrative salaries at these schools - and their operating budgets, public support and donations; not to mention their public profiles. I’m not saying these are necessarily bad things - it shows the inherent value of athletics.

Do you think UConn is what it is today without the basketball programs?

It depends on whether other schools have basketball programs. You have sports teams because it attracts some students. Some want that experience. Others want a really amazing gym on campus...so you build one. Others want lots of good food options, so you add that. Others want dorms with suites rather than communal bathrooms, so you build that. These schools spend billions on things that are outside of the educational experience, so they can attract more applications and as that boosts their competitive ranking and prestige, then they can charge more. It's a cycle that drives up cost.

But very few schools make any money off athletics. Most of the P5 lose money. The idea that there is some profit that these players generate and which they aren't earning, that's a myth. Yes the coaches are well paid. Because the coaches are there longer than the players, recruit the players so have many times the impact on the program that any player could. I would guess that 99.5% of all D1 scholarship athletes are overcompensated.

 

[Guapo]

It depends on whether other schools have basketball programs. You have sports teams because it attracts some students. Some want that experience. Others want a really amazing gym on campus...so you build one. Others want lots of good food options, so you add that. Others want dorms with suites rather than communal bathrooms, so you build that. These schools spend billions on things that are outside of the educational experience, so they can attract more applications and as that boosts their competitive ranking and prestige, then they can charge more. It's a cycle that drives up cost.

But very few schools make any money off athletics. Most of the P5 lose money. The idea that there is some profit that these players generate and which they aren't earning, that's a myth. Yes the coaches are well paid. Because the coaches are there longer than the players, recruit the players so have many times the impact on the program that any player could. I would guess that 99.5% of all D1 scholarship athletes are overcompensated.

I get that, I would caution there’s some shady accounting that goes into the “schools don’t make money on athletics” thought. Besides the point, though because I’m not really advocating for schools to pay players directly, but the athletes should 1000% be able to leverage their names for endorsements etc.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I get that, I would caution there’s some shady accounting that goes into the “schools don’t make money on athletics” thought. Besides the point, though because I’m not really advocating for schools to pay players directly, but the athletes should 1000% be able to leverage their names for endorsements etc.

I agree on NIL, with some rules. The risk there is boosters. Come play QB at UGA and we will pay you $40k to be the face of the local BBQ chain in our commercials. Needs to occur post recruitment. But the current rules are stupid, especially for those athletes that really created a brand on their own, like the LSU gymnast (Livvy Dunne, 1.1M followers on Insta, and it isn't because she's at LSU) and many years ago, Brian Bosworth at OU. YouTube, Instagram and TikTok have truly changed the landscape and they should all be able to monetize those platforms. I don't see how that impacts recruiting.

 

[Guapo]