SCOTUS rules against NCAA

[Guapo]

Agree and I posted in another thread I wonder if this decision plus the NIL push is effectively a death knell for NCAA. Without an anti-trust exemption it is all that much easier for a group like the P5 to split off for a single sport.

I think one of the great misconceptions out there is that the schools have an adversarial relationship with the NCAA. In fact, the NCAA exists to shield the schools from bad publicity and public acrimony. So, I don’t think the schools - including the football schools - really want the NCAA to go away entirely (and, just to be clear, the NCAA has very little control over football as things stand now). However, it’ll be greatly diminished and even more obviously a figurehead.

What my hope is, without an anti-trust exemption (which they might get via legislation or something btw), the NCAA’s rules regarding D1 divisions and conferences will go by the wayside. For instance, UHart isn’t dropping from D1 because they don’t want a basketball program. They’re dropping because they can’t support the 14 total programs needed to be D1. Therefore, I hope for the creation of more geographically and culturally rational conferences for basketball and football, specifically - and ones that would allow for the ability of schools like UHart to compete at a D1 level in specific sports, rather than all or nothing

 

[Dean Wormer]

I don't on w for sure but I do know I get up to about $7k in tuition payments before it goes from being a non-taxable benefit and it turns in to taxable income.

And I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Carry on.

 

[freescooter]

If I were a P5 AD I’d be nervous. If I were designing the new football tournament I’d be leaning toward making it as open as possible. The anti trust piece being the most important piece of this.

Though I could see a plan along the lines of 1aa system or baseball or hockey. Most players don’t get full rides. 65 or some number of full equivalent scholarships for football, 6 or 7 far basketball. Nobody gets a full ride.

 

[HooperScooper]

NCAA amateurism is dead. Whatever you thought the moving target that was the "collegiate model" is gone. The date for the dearly departed will go down as June 21, 2021, but really, the exit from this world was years in the making.

It's not just that amateurism is dead. The NCAA that strangled it might not be far behind.

NCAA amateurism is effectively dead, and the association itself may not be far behind

The tenet upon which the NCAA's based is fading, and its power is quickly slipping away

www.cbssports.com

 

[Yardigan]

For fun. We know they all do.

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GREAT flick...very funny, almost as funny as... Gorsuch: "the NCAA is not above the law".... that line is highsterical.

 

[UConn990411]

I understand the concerns about the impact this will have on women’s and minor sports, but this ruling is so long overdue that it’s hard not to be happy about it. The NCAA has one of the grossest business models I’ve ever seen, so it’s pretty satisfying to see them get raked over the coals by the Supreme Court.

At the same time, it sounds like the NCAA can still add some restrictions on expenses for student-athletes. Maybe for once, they’ll find a reasonable middle-ground solution, such as limiting what schools can pay while allowing players to profit off their own likeness.

But I doubt it. They just extended that clown Emmert, so I’m sure it will be the same ‘ol nonsense from the NCAA in a different form.

 

[upstater]

They finally going to start taxing scholarships?

If theyre employees that is taxable income.

you cannot separate the two and claim otherwise

Federal law is murky on this and always has been.

When I went to school in PA, the borough inside State College actually taxed our tuition scholarship. $2k every year. That was just the borough. When we looked up the law, it basically said that the Federal Gov't can tax it but chooses not to.

 

[husky8273]

I.R.C. Section 117 excludes scholarships and some related expenses from income, 26 U.S. Code § 117 - Qualified scholarships

 

[CL82]

I.R.C. Section 117 excludes scholarships and some related expenses from income, 26 U.S. Code § 117 - Qualified scholarships

This seems to suggest that if you raise the amount of ‘education expenses’at some point it becomes taxable.

 

[huskymedic]

Matt Brown’s Extra Point view:

The NCAA's massive loss in Alston, explained:

Good morning, and thanks for your continued support of Extra Points. Because I'm a Serious Professional Journalist, my long-planned family vacation took place just as perhaps the biggest off-the-field college sports story of my lifetime dropped. On Monday, the Supreme Court issued their...

www.extrapointsmb.com

 

[The Funster]

Thank you P5! Your efforts to monetize any aspect of sport that you could for your own benefit, your desire to squeeze every last dollar in an effort to be "the best" has opened Pandora's box and has put college athletics at risk. Well done you classless, greedy

 

[Waquoit]

The "amateur model" is and has always been, bollocks. Jim Thorpe was screwed over a century ago. Rich people hate paying the help.

 

[Slick]

Schools have largely already been slashing non-revenue sports.

Schools have been slashing non revenue sports but that was the tip of the iceberg . I think this is going to destroy non revenue sports and negative impact many African America players

 

[Psolo12]

GREAT flick...very funny, almost as funny as... Gorsuch: "the NCAA is not above the law".... that line is highsterical.

That line is actually from Kavanaugh's concurrence, not Gorsuch's opinion.

 

[upstater]

“well, akshully-ing” a unanimous slam dunk ruling… only on the boneyard!

Full of ridiculous misstatements easily disproven like "Nowhere else in American society is labor unpaid."

But go on in ignorance.

 

[upstater]

I.R.C. Section 117 excludes scholarships and some related expenses from income, 26 U.S. Code § 117 - Qualified scholarships

What about room & board?

 

[Greedo]

This would probably never happen, but I think it would be really cool if college athletics turned into farm systems for professional sports. For example, UConn and BC could be feeder programs for the Patriots, with the Patriots funding those programs. UConn could be a feeder for the Celtics or Knicks with basketball, with one of those programs financing UConn basketball etc. I'm sure others will think it's a dumb idea, but I think it would be cool. It would benefit UConn a ton, being one of the few major sports programs in the northeast.

 

[CL82]

This would probably never happen, but I think it would be really cool if college athletics turned into farm systems for professional sports. For example, UConn and BC could be feeder programs for the Patriots, with the Patriots funding those programs. UConn could be a feeder for the Celtics or Knicks with basketball, with one of those programs financing UConn basketball etc. I'm sure others will think it's a dumb idea, but I think it would be cool. It would benefit UConn a ton, being one of the few major sports programs in the northeast.

 

[navery12]

This would probably never happen, but I think it would be really cool if college athletics turned into farm systems for professional sports. For example, UConn and BC could be feeder programs for the Patriots, with the Patriots funding those programs. UConn could be a feeder for the Celtics or Knicks with basketball, with one of those programs financing UConn basketball etc. I'm sure others will think it's a dumb idea, but I think it would be cool. It would benefit UConn a ton, being one of the few major sports programs in the northeast.

I could get on board with kids coming to college already drafted like they do with hockey, this idea seems a bit too far fetched for my taste

 

[Guapo]

I could get on board with kids coming to college already drafted like they do with hockey, this idea seems a bit too far fetched for my taste

I don’t mind the idea of kids coming to college already drafted either. However, the idea of college sports “officially” becoming a development program for the pros is something that can only come from the mind of a New England/Northeast fan lol

 

[UConn990411]

Kind of crazy how many people on here are opposed to this decision, but it’s not shocking either.

 

[Psolo12]

I'd love for the people opposed to this decision to have to tell the broke college kid it's okay for Emmert to be a multi-millionaire while they would lose eligibility for receiving a free meal based on them being a UConn basketball player.

 

[Waquoit]

Kind of crazy how many people on here are opposed to this decision, but it’s not shocking either.

Personal entertainment trumps all.

 

[Guapo]

Like I said earlier in this thread, once the game starts and there are people on the court wearing UConn uniforms playing basketball; a lot of this noise should fall by the wayside

 

[Edward Sargent]

Why aren’t room and board, the living stipend and other items “above” tuition not taxed now and how does today’s ruling change the status quo as it relates to those items?

There is also something called the Spruch Amendment from 1961. I was paid as an employee while I was a grad student at NYU but did not have to pay taxes as long as I was a student. The same amendment should apply to student athletes.