SCORING (LACK OF) [merged thread]

[DESERTDOG]

When 3 of your starting 5 players (Dolson - 10 ppg, Kelly 6.6 ppg, Doty 6.0 ppg - these are current averages for this season) are only contributing 22.6 ppg, any team will have a very, very , very difficult time winning any kind of championship! Does anyone out there agree with this premise??

 

[Icebear]

When 3 of your starting 5 players (Dolson - 10 ppg, Kelly 6.6 ppg, Doty 6.0 ppg - these are current averages for this season) are only contributing 22.6 ppg, any team will have a very, very , very difficult time winning any kind of championship! Does anyone out there agree with this premise??

No.

 

[MarlboroughMike]

When 3 of your starting 5 players (Dolson - 10 ppg, Kelly 6.6 ppg, Doty 6.0 ppg - these are current averages for this season) are only contributing 22.6 ppg, any team will have a very, very , very difficult time winning any kind of championship! Does anyone out there agree with this premise??

For Comparison, the number 1 & 2 teams in the rankings using their 3, 4 & 5 scorers:


Baylor
Williams, Destiny 10.1
Hayden, Kimetria 8.9
Pope, Brooklyn 8.3
Total 27.3

Stanford
Kokenis, Toni 10.0
Tinkle, Joslyn8.2
Samuelson, Bonnie 5.0
Total 23.2

So I would say no to agreement.

 

[VAUConnFan]

Not necessarily. In the past, UConn got more scoring from one or two players and averages like the one mentioned by the OP were a perfect compliment to the stars' scoring. This year, scoring is more of a premium. As long as the scoring cylinders do not completely shut down, UConn is fine with what they are getting from the aforementioned players.

 

[Icebear]

Reasons:

1) Our almost 4 point lead in scoring defense over the #2 defender in the country
2) We lead the nation in scoring margin
3) we lead the nation in opponents shooting %
4) Our #3 scorer comes off the bench at 14 pts per game.
5) Our first 4 scorers total 54 points per game in 111 minutes and the next three add another 18 in 66 minutes per game for an average of 72 points from 177 minutes of play.
6) Our #2 shooting % in the country
7) We share the ball better and set up players to score with more assists than anyone.

 

[vtcwbuff]

No. It's only a problem when the scorers (Hayes, Hartley and Lewis) in the lineup don't score. UConn has been ranked in the top 4-5 in scoring offense all year. Add to that the fact that they have also been the #1 defense all year.

Hayes, Hartley and Mosqueda-Lewis typically produce 40-45 points per game. In the Samson Johnson game the three scorers produced 30 points. If they had an average scoring night UConn would have won by double digits. It's quite likely they might have scored more had they not given the ball to the other team quite as often.

 

[NCorBust]

When 3 of your starting 5 players (Dolson - 10 ppg, Kelly 6.6 ppg, Doty 6.0 ppg - these are current averages for this season) are only contributing 22.6 ppg, any team will have a very, very , very difficult time winning any kind of championship! Does anyone out there agree with this premise??

Try answering your question yourself with the facts below for 5 UCONN NCs. In addition to avarage points I included games games palyed and started for the top scorers.

2009-10 NC
Moore, Maya......39-38 ..18.9
Charles, Tina......39-39 ..18.2
Greene, Kalana...39-39.. 11.4
Hayes, Tiffany....39-37 ..10.2
Doty, Caroline....39-38 …6.8

2008-09 NC
Moore, Maya.....,,,..,,... 39-38 ..19.3
Montgomery, Renee.,,. 39-39 ...16.5
Charles, Tina……..,,... 39-39 ...16.5
Greene, Kalana.…...,... 39-39 ...,8.7
Doty/Hayes, Caroline…17-17 ....8.6
Hayes, Tiffany..........,,. 39-17 ....8.4

2003-04 NC
Taurasi, Diana....... 35-34 ..16.2
Turner, Barbara..... 35-33 ..13.7
Strother, Ann.....,... 35-33 ..11.0
Moore, Jessica...,... 35-34 …9.5
Battle, Ashley....,... 35-1 .,....7.3
Conlon, Maria....... 35-34 .....5.9

2002-03 NC
Taurasi, Diana..... 37-37 ...17.9
Moore, Jessica..... 38-38 ...10.6
Strother, Ann...... .38-38 ...10.1
Turner, Barbara.... 38-7 …10.0
Battle, Ashley...... 37-13 ….8.3
Conlon, Maria......38-29 .....6.9

2001-02 NC
25 Abrosimova, Svetlan ..19-19 ...14.1
32 Cash, Swin................ 35-33 ..12.2
03 Taurasi, Diana……... 33-14 ..10.9
10 Bird, Sue................... 34-34 ..10.9
33 Ralph, Shea............... 30-30 ….9.7
15 Jones, Asjha.............. 35-23. …8.7
11 Schumacher, Kelly.... 29-14 ….6.3

 

[doggydaddy]

It's a statistical non-issue.

Most teams don't have a 14 ppg player getting starter minutes.

I can't wait for the next thread that has a reason UConn can't win an NC.

 

[Phil]

When 3 of your starting 5 players (Dolson - 10 ppg, Kelly 6.6 ppg, Doty 6.0 ppg - these are current averages for this season) are only contributing 22.6 ppg, any team will have a very, very , very difficult time winning any kind of championship! Does anyone out there agree with this premise??

Well, I agree it will be very difficult to win a championship, but I believe that because it is very difficult to win a championship, not because of the mix of scoring. Championships have been won with close to balanced scoring, and they have been won with superstars and a supporting cast, and everything in between.

 

[HuskyNan]

Try answering your question yourself with the facts below for 5 UCONN NCs. In addition to avarage points I included games games palyed and started for the top scorers.

2009-10 NC
Moore, Maya......39-38 ..18.9
Charles, Tina......39-39 ..18.2

2008-09 NC
Moore, Maya.....,,,..,,... 39-38 ..19.3

2003-04 NC
Taurasi, Diana....... 35-34 ..16.2

2002-03 NC
Taurasi, Diana..... 37-37 ...17.9

2001-02 NC
10 Bird, Sue................... 34-34 ..10.9

And what do those teams have in common now?

 

[Bestiarius]

Starting is immaterial. It's like an honorary degree. Go by minutes played per game and you might have a point. Even though KML and Stokes don't start, their points still count.

 

[NCorBust]

And what do those teams have in common now?

Abolutely nothing with today's team.

 

[HuskyNan]

Abolutely nothing with today's team.

Right. So why are you comparing them to today's team?

A superstar National POY, like Maya, Diana or Sue, created scoring opportunities for the other players simply by being on the floor. Defenses would change completely in an attempt to keep them from dominating the game. Not sure why that's not obvious to folks.

 

[magic]

When 3 of your starting 5 players (Dolson - 10 ppg, Kelly 6.6 ppg, Doty 6.0 ppg - these are current averages for this season) are only contributing 22.6 ppg, any team will have a very, very , very difficult time winning any kind of championship! Does anyone out there agree with this premise??

To me , averages don't mean diddly! I want to know whether you are a scoring contributor " every game"! That is the problem with these three. Their contributions come and go. It leads to inconsistency. In order to beat a team like Baylor. You need to be able to move BG out of her zone, or get scoring from everyone on the court to make up for it. She takes away dribble drive penetration. Geno always talks about winning championships , and how you can't play if you can't score. Lip service?

 

[magic]

Right. So why are you comparing them to today's team?

A superstar National POY, like Maya, Diana or Sue, created scoring opportunities for the other players simply by being on the floor. Defenses would change completely in an attempt to keep them from dominating the game. Not sure why that's not obvious to folks.

I agree completely. But that's why all five playeers on the court must contribute this year. EVERY GAME!

 

[doggydaddy]

To me , averages don't mean diddly! I want to know whether you are a scoring contributor " every game"! That is the problem with these three. Their contributions come and go. It leads to inconsistency. In order to beat a team like Baylor. You need to be able to move BG out of her zone, or get scoring from everyone on the court to make up for it. She takes away dribble drive penetration. Geno always talks about winning championships , and how you can't play if you can't score. Lip service?

So, please tell me all the scoring contributors every game. Other than Griner, there is no one else. In fact, there is not ONE team that has scoring contributors every game. Players have off games.

Now, did you mean scoring threat? I think UConn is as deep as anyone in that regard.

And I'd like someone to explain how Mallory is such a scoring threat? More than Faris?

 

[Scotter]

Hey now! You're not allowed to compare UConn to their actual competitors, only against an idealized standard!

And I'd like someone to explain how Mallory is such a scoring threat? More than Faris?

 

[pap49cba]

Novosel scored 6 pts yesterday. Obviously, she is not a scoring threat and teams can just ignore her.

 

[vtcwbuff]

So, please tell me all the scoring contributors every game. Other than Griner, there is no one else. In fact, there is not ONE team that has scoring contributors every game. Players have off games.

Now, did you mean scoring threat? I think UConn is as deep as anyone in that regard.

And I'd like someone to explain how Mallory is such a scoring threat? More than Faris?

Delle Donne maybe?

 

[msf22b]

Novosel has been in her own slump, no guarantee it continues

 

[NCorBust]

Right. So why are you comparing them to today's team? A superstar National POY, like Maya, Diana or Sue, created scoring opportunities for the other players simply by being on the floor. Defenses would change completely in an attempt to keep them from dominating the game. Not sure why that's not obvious to folks.

What is in the water in the state of Connecticut. My original post was in response to the poster who asked about points being scored by the three lowest scoring starters and is it relative to their chances to win the NC. As usual the BY responses were lacking the actual stats. so I provided them and asked the original poster to answer their original question now that they can see the stats. I put the onus on them. End of story! BTW, Maya could not get this team to the NC.

 

[trisailin]

Remember - that a defensive stop is "nearly" as good as a bucket. If all you do is trade baskets, the game is still tied. Having 3 double digit scorers and 3 single digit scorers but the 3 single digit scorers keep the other team from getting buckets is a winning combo. It's only the DIFFERENCE in points that matters.

 

[doggydaddy]

Delle Donne maybe?

She scored 11 points, way below her scoring average in the 40-39 win.

 

[doggydaddy]

What is in the water in the state of Connecticut. My original post was in response to the poster who asked about points being scored by the three lowest scoring starters and is it relative to their chances to win the NC. As usual the BY responses were lacking the actual stats. so I provided them and asked the original poster to answer their original question now that they can see the stats. I put the onus on them. End of story! BTW, Maya could not get this team to the NC.

Obviously, there is something missing in your water, like civility.

You put the onus on them? What a sweetheart.

If you put Maya on this team they win. But since she didn't play on this version, your last sentence is moot.

 

[NCorBust]

If you put Maya on this team they win. But since she didn't play on this version, your last sentence is moot.

Not unlike most of your comments.