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Yeah that really helped the Thabeet freshman year 2006-07 team, until UConn ran into WVU. Were 11-0 OOC and ended up 17-14. The team on the court vs. Memphis could not rebound or pass in addition to not being able to shoot adequately; not sure how easier OOC would have helped. Players on court against Memphis may be capable of playing better but proved they are capable of playing that bad.
Well, when does anything ever work perfectly? Hm? But with this team, or these types, it does generally help to build confidence and beats getting stomped by 15 to 25 practically every other game.
 
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exactly.

Downgrading the opponents will help.

I see what you are saying - lets play more cup cakes, get an invite, and then let Ollie do his magic and reel off 6 straight!

If we're a blue blood, we'll fill the XL and Gampel no matter who we play. Look at Kentucky's death penalty years and UNCs year that went 8-20.
 

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Ok @August_West , I'll agree that we set a schedule to allow us to, if we won the league, show the committee that we deserved a high seed despite our weaker league. This year it was extra tough because nobody expected Arkansas or Auburn to be this good. We will end up playing two of what I think are the best four teams in the country out of conference.

Clearly, our current goal is not to get a high seed, but to win more than we lose and perhaps qualify for post season play. So yes, until we show that we can do that regularly, we need to dial it back. But, I caution against doing it too much. UConn vs a strong P5 is still a big TV and exposure game, and we need to remain as relevant as we can. It would help if we didn't tank in the actual games of course. So I'd favor a slight adjustment at most.
 

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How about this. Instead of the geniuses in this thread who say "we can barely beat stony brook" (and dont you realize by saying that you are MAKING MY CASE FOR ME?)

how about someone takes the position on why in our current state of affairs we should be playing such a brutal non conference. explain to me how that has benefited us .
Auggie,

When the schedule was made I doubt those in power thought we would be an inexperienced team. I imagine the thought process was a) the exposure from PK80 would be invaluable and that we would also have been better than most other participants. b) teams like Nova, Cuse, Auburn & even Zona shouldn't be an unreasonable set of non- conference opponents and c) a better non-conference schedule would be necessary considering the current conference.

Obviously things have not worked out as expected.
 

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Totally disagree. We should do the exact opposite. Out of 13 OOC games, 8-9 should be against big-time competition. You don't become good by playing cupcakes, and you certainly don't bring people into the arena. Oh, and the committee will use playing cupcakes against you. That worked in the Old Big East when we played murderer'a row. We're in the AAC. Enough said.
 

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Auggie,

When the schedule was made I doubt those in power thought we would be an inexperienced team. I imagine the thought process was a) the exposure from PK80 would be invaluable and that we would also have been better than most other participants. b) teams like Nova, Cuse, Auburn & even Zona shouldn't be an unreasonable set of non- conference opponents and c) a better non-conference schedule would be necessary considering the current conference.

Obviously things have not worked out as expected.

The way they are front loaded is unreasonable with an inexperienced team.

Notice in OP Im not complaining about Nova scheduling.

PK80 was scheduled two years in advance. I still was all for going, but it didnt help us. It really hurt us. Patrick Ewing pulled out of that tournament. I dont think we shouldve, but I get that thinking.

The rest of the stuff is open ended as far as dates go on home and homes. And while the schedule was the schedule this year, and I get it, my premise is maybe we should look at the overall philosophy of it for a period to help us get back on track. (along with 100 other items)
 

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UConn vs a strong P5 is still a big TV and exposure game, and we need to remain as relevant as we can. It would help if we didn't tank in the actual games of course.


Thats the thing.

The waxings we are taking the few times we are in "exposure" games work against the relevancy factor you are referencing. They in fact accelerate its decline.
 

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Totally disagree. We should do the exact opposite. Out of 13 OOC games, 8-9 should be against big-time competition. You don't become good by playing cupcakes, and you certainly don't bring people into the arena. Oh, and the committee will use playing cupcakes against you. That worked in the Old Big East when we played murderer'a row. We're in the AAC. Enough said.

Youre insane.


Next poster please.
 
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Ive been thinking this for a while, and now that we are in conference it is kind of academic, but something pumpkin head Gillen said made me think it again.

Im wondering if we are actually screwing ourselves by scheduling out of conference so tough with such young, new teams every year.



The original premise behind scheduling a murderers row early every year when we first joined the AAC was the assumption that we were projected to be top of the heap in conference every year and that we would need the non conference RPI bump for tourney seeding. Talk about putting the cart before the horse. That obviously never worked out and has been nothing but a detriment to us because we simply arent good enough early to take anything but a confidence beating out of these games.

Jim Boeheim (and you won't hear me quote this idiot much, but I think it is something I agree with him on, and I think Calhoun did too) has a saying when people criticize Syracuses easy early schedules:

" You don't learn anything by losing except how to lose"

I think back to Calhoun teams especially in the 90's. We feasted on Cupcakes until the conference schedule. We might get one high profile game before conference and then maybe one or two non conference snuck into conference . Dont believe me? go back and look at the schedules. Calhoun very much 'protected' his teams early in season. When Calhoun projected that he would have a team with experience that could benefit from tough early season he would schedule tougher to see where we were at. When he had a young team with new pieces, he preferred cupcakes early. I think that helps a young team. I dont think we gained anything from Michigan St, Arizona, Auburn, Arkansas etc. Villanova is going to wax us, but Im OK with a late January high profile matchup. We used to do late HJan. early Feb matchups all the time under Calhoun. That is an appropriate time to test yourself and always a good break from conference grind. We've had time to gel. We havent gelled, but if we were going to we should've by now. Its being in a hole on December 5th that I find to be a detriment to team development.

Let the kids make mistakes in games we can still win despite mistakes and I think they are a better team in January. I think winning can breed winning. Now here is a major difference between JC and where KO needs to get right or get gone. If we make a mistake in a cupcake game we win, KO needs to be fierce about correcting mistakes. If KO is just content for wins over cupcakes without instilling a system and culture, then it is all for naught. I'v seen KO be content with cupcake wins this year. Not good.


No matter who the coach is next year, Im of the opinion that we should very much lighten our load early season to start rebuilding this team from the ground up. Until we can reach the cycle of sustained success and returning veteran players who have already shown success.

Patrick Ewing was right to clear Georgetown out of PK80 and to start slow with Georgetown this year. While Georgetown is not a good team this year, theyve maximized what they have and have won a couple they shouldnt have and played some decent teams a lot closer than we have and I think that is a direct result of getting some wins under their belt against some bad teams early.
Was the schedule made prior to the revamped roster? I am just asking.
 

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The way they are front loaded is unreasonable with an inexperienced team.

Notice in OP Im not complaining about Nova scheduling.

Disagree with you on a couple of points.

I don't think I can fully buy the inexperienced excuse. It's college hoop in a one and done era. A lot teams feature a lot of inexperienced players. Our supposed best player is a 22 year old junior who's played a ton of ball the past 2 years. The 2009 UConn squad, we are certainly not, but playing freshman and sophomores is the nature of the game.

On top of that leading into the PK80 were 3 games that should have been cupcakes. How many more did we need? Using the current KenPom rankings of the teams we faced, it isn't exactly some insurmountable task with Oregon 61, Mich St 6 and Arkansas 37. Sure we figured to lose to Michigan State, but getting wiped off the floor by a decent, but not great Arkansas team shouldn't have happened.

Two more cupcakes and then a decidedly mediocre Cuse team toyed with us for 40 minutes at MSG.

Coppin State, one of the worst teams in the NCAA, we barely pulled away until the end.

I do agree with you that scheduling away at Arizona and then away at Auburn two days before Christmas was shortsighted, but that is a more logistical complaint than the quality of the opponent.

In my opinion, this team would have been exposed eventually. I don't think squeaking by sub 200 RPI teams does us any good in the long run of a season.
 

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The AAC plus a cupcake OOC is a one way ticket to oblivion. If you went to FB games you'd know this.

In The BE you got a bid just by finishing in the top half of the league because the SOS was built in, even if it was slightly inflated. We get no credit for winning run of the mill conference games.

We need to win OOC games for sure and maybe we don't need a murders row but, this team couldn't beat anyone with an RPI that matters.
 
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Ive been thinking this for a while, and now that we are in conference it is kind of academic, but something pumpkin head Gillen said made me think it again.

Im wondering if we are actually screwing ourselves by scheduling out of conference so tough with such young, new teams every year.



The original premise behind scheduling a murderers row early every year when we first joined the AAC was the assumption that we were projected to be top of the heap in conference every year and that we would need the non conference RPI bump for tourney seeding. Talk about putting the cart before the horse. That obviously never worked out and has been nothing but a detriment to us because we simply arent good enough early to take anything but a confidence beating out of these games.

Jim Boeheim (and you won't hear me quote this idiot much, but I think it is something I agree with him on, and I think Calhoun did too) has a saying when people criticize Syracuses easy early schedules:

" You don't learn anything by losing except how to lose"

I think back to Calhoun teams especially in the 90's. We feasted on Cupcakes until the conference schedule. We might get one high profile game before conference and then maybe one or two non conference snuck into conference . Dont believe me? go back and look at the schedules. Calhoun very much 'protected' his teams early in season. When Calhoun projected that he would have a team with experience that could benefit from tough early season he would schedule tougher to see where we were at. When he had a young team with new pieces, he preferred cupcakes early. I think that helps a young team. I dont think we gained anything from Michigan St, Arizona, Auburn, Arkansas etc. Villanova is going to wax us, but Im OK with a late January high profile matchup. We used to do late HJan. early Feb matchups all the time under Calhoun. That is an appropriate time to test yourself and always a good break from conference grind. We've had time to gel. We havent gelled, but if we were going to we should've by now. Its being in a hole on December 5th that I find to be a detriment to team development.

Let the kids make mistakes in games we can still win despite mistakes and I think they are a better team in January. I think winning can breed winning. Now here is a major difference between JC and where KO needs to get right or get gone. If we make a mistake in a cupcake game we win, KO needs to be fierce about correcting mistakes. If KO is just content for wins over cupcakes without instilling a system and culture, then it is all for naught. I'v seen KO be content with cupcake wins this year. Not good.


No matter who the coach is next year, Im of the opinion that we should very much lighten our load early season to start rebuilding this team from the ground up. Until we can reach the cycle of sustained success and returning veteran players who have already shown success.

Patrick Ewing was right to clear Georgetown out of PK80 and to start slow with Georgetown this year. While Georgetown is not a good team this year, theyve maximized what they have and have won a couple they shouldnt have and played some decent teams a lot closer than we have and I think that is a direct result of getting some wins under their belt against some bad teams early.

Lots of hot air about how weak we are struggling against Stony Brook and Columbia. Losing to a Wagner.

The Truth ... scheduling is a science that is truly important in developing a Team and making tournaments in March. I agree with the OP premise as to why we pushed to play the toughest OOC in this AAC. We thought we needed it.

I’m certain Calhoun reviewed each and every prospective opponent beginning in March of the previous year. There is ALWAYS the potential that a decent lower D1 returns 3 good shooting guards and they play cohesively in a summer league and in pickup. You can smell an upset potential; Calhoun could.

So ... this has to be a strong consideration every Spring.
 

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Patrick Ewing pulled out of that tournament.I dont think we shouldve, but I get that thinking.

And how's that working out for him? G'town just took their worst beating since 1974 last night. Maybe it's not that bad if they played a couple more good teams. Worse, Jay Wright said, "“Patrick is doing a great job with this program. They’re very organized. They know what they want to do.” That's the way Rollie talked about Perno!
 

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And how's that working out for him? G'town just took their worst beating since 1974 last night. Maybe it's not that bad if they played a couple more good teams. Worse, Jay Wright said, "“Patrick is doing a great job with this program. They’re very organized. They know what they want to do.” That's the way Rollie talked about Perno!

Thanks for making my point for me.


Is there anyone on this board that isn't a dummy? ( Besides the people I don't think are dummies , you already know who you are, I don't want to list individually in case I miss someone)
 

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Thanks for making my point for me.


Is there anyone on this board that isn't a dummy? ( Besides the people I don't think are dummies , you already know who you are, I don't want to list individually in case I miss someone)
Can you post a hypothetical schedule that represents what you envision to be a better suited slate of games? Can you lay out what your goals might be when constructing the schedule? How do you know ahead of time what the team will be able to handle?
 

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It couldn't hurt to have a less challenging OOC schedule at this point.
But I'm more interested in getting a pass from playing any team on the road in the future. Especially in conference.
 

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Run from competition? That's some really soft sish man, pathetic. We have enough games against the mid major schools already(half our conference fits the profile), we need(and should want) as many ranked teams as possible on our schedule. Not to mention getting these games at home helps with our declining ticket sales.
 
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You can’t compare life in the AAC to the good ‘ole days in the Big East. Back then, UConn had the luxury of taking time to gel, settle on a rotation, etc. Syracuse used to play their first dozen games or so without ever leaving New York. But that was when the strength of schedule took care of itself due to the conference. In the AAC, the thought is that top teams (which we all initially thought would include UConn more often than not) had more chances for bad losses than they did for good wins, so the only option, while not ideal, was to schedule strong OOC games. The nature of the beast is that the OOC games are in November and December. Unfortunately, even experienced teams under Ollie haven’t gelled early, so it hasn’t been an ideal situation for UConn. I don’t know if there’s a good solution. Are they able to go overseas and get some game experience before the season begins like the women do?
At any rate, with this year’s team, I’m not sure losing to MSU was any more damaging than losing to a team like Fordham at home in front of 1500 people would have been.
 
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One team that should be added to the regular schedule is New Hampshire. It's a program that has been to the semi-finals of the America East tournament three straight years. You can rely on their fans to help pack the house (I know UConn has been having trouble selling tickets lately) and add another beatable opponent to the schedule before beginning the gauntlet that is the AAC.
 
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One team that should be added to the regular schedule is New Hampshire. It's a program that has been to the semi-finals of the America East tournament three straight years. You can rely on their fans to help pack the house (I know UConn has been having trouble selling tickets lately) and add another beatable opponent to the schedule before beginning the gauntlet that is the AAC.

Ha! Augie your thread is getting us trolled by UNH hockey fans!
 

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We've played UNH before. I don't recall any house packing going on.
 

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