SC Dominates ND

[bovwa10]

I think its gonna be a tough year for ND and Ivey. The gamecocks are loaded and will be either number one or two in the rankings next week. Giving up a hundred is just unbelievable for ND. to me the surprise of the night was LSU getting spanked by the Buffalos. they looked unorganized and seemed to almost quit playing after they got down by 20 in the second half. Did not see alot of team chemistry like south carolina showed against ND. LSU and UT are gonna be hard pressed to compete with South Carolina if they continue to play like they did today.

ND will be fine. I still think that they're the most talented team in the ACC. They really do need Miles back tho.

 

[bovwa10]

SC was underrated in the pre-season polls.

ND was a 1 person show - Hidalgo. Surprised Ivey let this happen. If this continues, ND will be .500 at best.

ND will be .500 at best? What a ludicrous thing to say. They're definitely one of the most talented teams in the country but are still missing their best player and ran into possibly the best team in the country today.

 

[hoopsnloops32]

ND will be fine. I still think that they're the most talented team in the ACC. They really do need Miles back tho.

I’m not seeing what you are seeing. They have a freshman point guard and citron. They have nothing in their front court and have a transfer from Fordham as a starter in their backcourt. Before the season I was scratching my head at the roster before todays game and now I feel as if my suspicions were confirmed.

 

[Jumper33]

I know some here would like ND to be “that bad” and they clearly have some issues they need to work on but I think more than anything SC is THAT good. This game was a masterpiece from them.

They are clearly the best team along with UConn. Just wow. They are still loaded, still great at defense and Cardoso is unstoppable down low. Dawn hasn’t missed a beat. ND starting post couldn’t do a single thing with her at all.

 

[Hayven]

ND will figure it out. Today it seemed like it was 1vs5 most of the time with Hidalgo wanting to be the star. Once they start moving the ball, they’ll be dangerous. Like they always are

 

[VA Huskie]

I thought I heard the announcers say that Miles was cleared to practice. Did anyone else hear that?

 

[VA Huskie]

Hidalgo was impressive in many ways, but didn’t do a great job of getting others involved (only 3 assists). Seemed out of control at times. But for a first game… really good.

 

[sun]

Niele Ivey said that 70% of SCar's points were scored inside the paint, & ND couldn't stop them from feeding the ball inside to Cardoso.
She also blamed ND's poor transition defense & some missed shots.
---->>>> SCar is on a collision course with UConn for the #1 ranking when the teams meet. <<<<----

 

[JstVisiting]

In my opinion, ND is that bad. No defense. I think SC will give us a fight until we take over and win going away. But, that score was unexpected, so I guess SC goes up a couple of ranks, based on they have shown that they do have some fight in them. But we have the defense to stop them.GO HUSKIES!!!!

I think UConn will give us a fight. They always seem to get up for our game, even when they seem overmatched, and this year will likely be no different. But I think our depth will wear them down again as we extend the streak to 4 on our home court.

 

[bballnut90]

None of the ND guards were willing to take shots or even make a move to get their defender off of them. Hidalgo definitely played some hero ball, but she was the only one that was fighting it seemed.

Agree regarding Hidalgo. She looked for teammates early but they couldn’t score against SC’s bigs and at some point she sort of realized she was the best option which led to hero ball and some poor choices. She played hard the whole time and I think will prove to be a solid distributor, this was just a rough game for all of her teammates and this might be the worst blow out she’ll experience in her 4 years.

 

[DefenseBB]

Carolina has shooters on the perimeter now! You'll eat those words.


This comment is completely false and reeks of haterism.

As our fine Wake Forest Carolinian pointed out Carolina, as in Tar Heels is North Carolina, South Carolina is SC. SC does NOT have shooters on the perimeter, they were 5 of 16 and Te-hina Paopao was 2-4 so that means the rest of the SC players were 3 of 12. That is not haterism. Let me use one of my favorite calming lines of all-time that hints of shade and let me say "Lighten up Francis".

Also, as good as Hildalgo may be, she was still a questionable 10 of 24 with 3 for 6 from 3 point range so that means 7 for 18 for inside the arc which is NOT good. Miles is the engine who makes everyone better on this team so when she returns ND will be significantly better. That said, Maddie Westbeld seems to have drastically regressed after her stellar freshman year as today she was 5 for 14 with 5 rebounds. If ND really wants to contend in the ACC, she needs to step up.

Last, @Gamecockfan77 needs to chill as SC was ranked 6th so what slight exactly did everyone purport against the Gamecocks? LSU, UConn and Iowa were clearly better on paper as they had significant starters returning so are you upset that Utah and UCLA are ranked ahead of you in the preseason? Trust me, NO ONE is slighting SC and will expect them to win one of the two SEC Titles and have a deep run in the NCAAT if they can find others to hit perimeter shots.

 

[bbsamjj]

Just because SC went 5-16 (in one game) does not mean they don't have "Shooters" on the perimeter. Fulwiley and Bree Hall went a combined 2-8; and especially with Fulwiley, I expect her to much better than a 25% 3-pt shooter.

The thing with SC is they don't need to be amazing from 3-pt range; they just need to be competent and willing to take those shots. Given their size and ability to get to the lane (Which I think is actually much better this year compared to previous year), that should be enough.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

I think its gonna be a tough year for ND and Ivey. The gamecocks are loaded and will be either number one or two in the rankings next week. Giving up a hundred is just unbelievable for ND. to me the surprise of the night was LSU getting spanked by the Buffalos. they looked unorganized and seemed to almost quit playing after they got down by 20 in the second half. Did not see alot of team chemistry like south carolina showed against ND. LSU and UT are gonna be hard pressed to compete with South Carolina if they continue to play like they did today.

I think Notre Dame will be fine.

 

[jumpstart]

As our fine Wake Forest Carolinian pointed out Carolina, as in Tar Heels is North Carolina, South Carolina is SC. SC does NOT have shooters on the perimeter, they were 5 of 16 and Te-hina Paopao was 2-4 so that means the rest of the SC players were 3 of 12. That is not haterism. Let me use one of my favorite calming lines of all-time that hints of shade and let me say "Lighten up Francis".

Also, as good as Hildalgo may be, she was still a questionable 10 of 24 with 3 for 6 from 3 point range so that means 7 for 18 for inside the arc which is NOT good. Miles is the engine who makes everyone better on this team so when she returns ND will be significantly better. That said, Maddie Westbeld seems to have drastically regressed after her stellar freshman year as today she was 5 for 14 with 5 rebounds. If ND really wants to contend in the ACC, she needs to step up.

Last, @Gamecockfan77 needs to chill as SC was ranked 6th so what slight exactly did everyone purport against the Gamecocks? LSU, UConn and Iowa were clearly better on paper as they had significant starters returning so are you upset that Utah and UCLA are ranked ahead of you in the preseason? Trust me, NO ONE is slighting SC and will expect them to win one of the two SEC Titles and have a deep run in the NCAAT if they can find others to hit perimeter shots.

If you are going to argue "on paper" then South Carolina was vastly underrated because their players were ranked much higher than Iowa, Utah and UCLA....so your "on paper" argument is very wrong. Try again....

 

[Gamecockfan77]

As our fine Wake Forest Carolinian pointed out Carolina, as in Tar Heels is North Carolina, South Carolina is SC. SC does NOT have shooters on the perimeter, they were 5 of 16 and Te-hina Paopao was 2-4 so that means the rest of the SC players were 3 of 12. That is not haterism. Let me use one of my favorite calming lines of all-time that hints of shade and let me say "Lighten up Francis".


Last, @Gamecockfan77 needs to chill as SC was ranked 6th so what slight exactly did everyone purport against the Gamecocks? LSU, UConn and Iowa were clearly better on paper as they had significant starters returning so are you upset that Utah and UCLA are ranked ahead of you in the preseason? Trust me, NO ONE is slighting SC and will expect them to win one of the two SEC Titles and have a deep run in the NCAAT if they can find others to hit perimeter shots.

NC is just the bits that SC and VA didn't want.

ESPN had us eighth I believe, which was ludicrous.

Team rightly should have a chip on its shoulder. The polls won't be wrong for long though.

 

[hoopsnloops32]

Agree regarding Hidalgo. She looked for teammates early but they couldn’t score against SC’s bigs and at some point she sort of realized she was the best option which led to hero ball and some poor choices. She played hard the whole time and I think will prove to be a solid distributor, this was just a rough game for all of her teammates and this might be the worst blow out she’ll experience in her 4 years.

I doubt it will even be their worst loss of the season tbh. They lost Ebo, Mabrey and Miles (for the forseeable future) and only have an undersized freshman PG to backfill. Its going to be a rough year in South Bend, at least until Miles returns.

 

[shiverz45]

As our fine Wake Forest Carolinian pointed out Carolina, as in Tar Heels is North Carolina, South Carolina is SC. SC does NOT have shooters on the perimeter, they were 5 of 16 and Te-hina Paopao was 2-4 so that means the rest of the SC players were 3 of 12. That is not haterism. Let me use one of my favorite calming lines of all-time that hints of shade and let me say "Lighten up Francis".

Also, as good as Hildalgo may be, she was still a questionable 10 of 24 with 3 for 6 from 3 point range so that means 7 for 18 for inside the arc which is NOT good. Miles is the engine who makes everyone better on this team so when she returns ND will be significantly better. That said, Maddie Westbeld seems to have drastically regressed after her stellar freshman year as today she was 5 for 14 with 5 rebounds. If ND really wants to contend in the ACC, she needs to step up.

Last, @Gamecockfan77 needs to chill as SC was ranked 6th so what slight exactly did everyone purport against the Gamecocks? LSU, UConn and Iowa were clearly better on paper as they had significant starters returning so are you upset that Utah and UCLA are ranked ahead of you in the preseason? Trust me, NO ONE is slighting SC and will expect them to win one of the two SEC Titles and have a deep run in the NCAAT if they can find others to hit perimeter shots.

On paper 9 of SC 11 players are McDonald's All Americans. More than LSU and Iowa combined. LSU and Iowa might have a little more game experience but on paper SC is more talented.

 

[Waquoit]

This comment is completely false and reeks of haterism.

There was no haterism in that comment. It's OK to disagree.

 

[baggerbob]

Are they that good OR is N.D. that bad??

Cardosa is that good, she is going to be a top 3 pick in the draft.

 

[bballnut90]

SC impressed me getting the ball down low at times but Dawn coaches the same offense throw up bricks and let the boys clean it up .. they have zero outside threats .. they are big athletic but can’t shoot .. but it’s just one game they develop outside shooting.. than I would say they could be special .. disagree ND is not a very good team right now ..

Did you even watch the game? They had 29 assists and were knocking down all of their perimeter shots early which opened up the paint for Cardoso once ND switched to man to man coverage. Great ball movement, and decision making all around. Last year SC was the team that would slowly wear you out over the course of a game with their physicality, this team just blew Notre Dame out of the water in the 2nd and 3rd quarter in a similar fashion to many of the great UCONN teams when they had Maya or Stewart.

 

[JellyBean]

Are they that good OR is N.D. that bad??

South Carolina is that good and ND isn't bad. They will be among the top 20 teams in the nation. They just got ran into a team that was on a different level. ND and Coach Ivey will get things figured out. Catch me after the Shamrock Classic (Illinois, Chicago State, and Ball State) then I might have a different view but right now, ND is a solid team and they will adjust and get better. That Hannah Hidalgo is going to be NICE!! I hope fans and players don't break her confidence. Good Lord! 31 points on 10/24 shooting. 3 Dimes and 3 Steals. Folks were talking about her turnovers. AND? She shot 42% from the field and 50% from deep. That young lady got confidence and speed. Great find by Coach.

 

[VA Huskie]

South Carolina is that good and ND isn't bad. They will be among the top 20 teams in the nation. They just got ran into a team that was on a different level. ND and Coach Ivey will get things figured out. Catch me after the Shamrock Classic (Illinois, Chicago State, and Ball State) then I might have a different view but right now, ND is a solid team and they will adjust and get better. That Hannah Hidalgo is going to be NICE!! I hope fans and players don't break her confidence. Good Lord! 31 points on 10/24 shooting. 3 Dimes and 3 Steals. Folks were talking about her turnovers. AND? She shot 42% from the field and 50% from deep. That young lady got confidence and speed. Great find by Coach.

She didn’t look to me like someone who’s confidence would easily be broken

 

[DefenseBB]

NC is just the bits that SC and VA didn't want.

ESPN had us eighth I believe, which was ludicrous.

Team rightly should have a chip on its shoulder. The polls won't be wrong for long though.

The coaches poll had SC 4th while the writers poll (which I detest) has them 6th. Like I said, under-estimate SC at your own peril as it seems to me that Dawn is more dangerous when you think someone else is better.

Despite what @shiverz45 touts as a "talented roster" with McDonald's AAs, the better assessment is college experience and performing against fellow college players. HoopGurls and McD lists are littered with "they were ranked what?" when an assessment is done 3 or 4 years out. While some have had marginal success and some have been made ineffective by injuries, the point is HS rankings do not correlate directly to collegiate success. In SC's case, the underclassmen will have every opportunity to prove their skills and I would bet this team will be successful BUT at the same time, I still would have ranked LSU, UConn and Iowa above them given the game experience they had. SC should have been above Utah and UCLA. So are we quibbling about 2 spots in the writers poll?

Here is my list of players who have underperformed their rankings in my estimation thus far....
2021 Jersey Wolfbarger #7
2021 Teoni Key #9
2020 Diamond Johnson #7
2020 Sydney Parrish #
2019 Sam Brunelle #6
2019 Ashley Owusu #7
2019 Aijha Blackwell #9
2018 Aquira DeCosta #3
2018 Sedona Prince #8
2018 Zarielle Green #10
2017 Rellah Booth #3
2017 Chasity Patterson #4
2017 Sidney Cooks #5

 

[Gamecockfan77]

The coaches poll had SC 4th while the writers poll (which I detest) has them 6th. Like I said, under-estimate SC at your own peril as it seems to me that Dawn is more dangerous when you think someone else is better.

Despite what @shiverz45 touts as a "talented roster" with McDonald's AAs, the better assessment is college experience and performing against fellow college players. HoopGurls and McD lists are littered with "they were ranked what?" when an assessment is done 3 or 4 years out. While some have had marginal success and some have been made ineffective by injuries, the point is HS rankings do not correlate directly to collegiate success. In SC's case, the underclassmen will have every opportunity to prove their skills and I would bet this team will be successful BUT at the same time, I still would have ranked LSU, UConn and Iowa above them given the game experience they had. SC should have been above Utah and UCLA. So are we quibbling about 2 spots in the writers poll?

Here is my list of players who have underperformed their rankings in my estimation thus far....
2021 Jersey Wolfbarger #7
2021 Teoni Key #9
2020 Diamond Johnson #7
2020 Sydney Parrish #
2019 Sam Brunelle #6
2019 Ashley Owusu #7
2019 Aijha Blackwell #9
2018 Aquira DeCosta #3
2018 Sedona Prince #8
2018 Zarielle Green #10
2017 Rellah Booth #3
2017 Chasity Patterson #4
2017 Sidney Cooks #5

I am talking about ESPN most especially, but yes I think being rated 6th was also somewhat insulting.

It was pretty obvious to me that Cardoso was going to be an All American, that Raven Johnson would be among the nations best pgs, that PaoPao was a huge add, and that SC would continue to be extremely long, athletic and deep in the post.

And yet espn is rating them behind effort teams?

Ok. Sure.

 

[bballnut90]

The coaches poll had SC 4th while the writers poll (which I detest) has them 6th. Like I said, under-estimate SC at your own peril as it seems to me that Dawn is more dangerous when you think someone else is better.

Despite what @shiverz45 touts as a "talented roster" with McDonald's AAs, the better assessment is college experience and performing against fellow college players. HoopGurls and McD lists are littered with "they were ranked what?" when an assessment is done 3 or 4 years out. While some have had marginal success and some have been made ineffective by injuries, the point is HS rankings do not correlate directly to collegiate success. In SC's case, the underclassmen will have every opportunity to prove their skills and I would bet this team will be successful BUT at the same time, I still would have ranked LSU, UConn and Iowa above them given the game experience they had. SC should have been above Utah and UCLA. So are we quibbling about 2 spots in the writers poll?

Here is my list of players who have underperformed their rankings in my estimation thus far....
2021 Jersey Wolfbarger #7
2021 Teoni Key #9
2020 Diamond Johnson #7
2020 Sydney Parrish #
2019 Sam Brunelle #6
2019 Ashley Owusu #7
2019 Aijha Blackwell #9
2018 Aquira DeCosta #3
2018 Sedona Prince #8
2018 Zarielle Green #10
2017 Rellah Booth #3
2017 Chasity Patterson #4
2017 Sidney Cooks #5

Owusu was an All American as a sophomore, 3x All Big Ten 1st or 2nd team and twice the Big Ten Tournament MVP. She definitely doesn't belong on this list despite a bad season at VT. Blackwell too was great her first 3 years at Missouri. Diamond Johnson was fantastic her first year and very good as a sophomore at NC State. Fell off considerably last year but she's a had a nice career, especially compared to a lot of the players mentioned.

I'd add Evina Westbrook, Christyn Williams, Olivia Nelson-Ododa, Saniya Rivers, Priscilla Williams, and Sania Feagin to the list of those who underperformed relative to HS ranking. Verdict is still early for the 2021 kids, as they've only played 2 years so far and have had to compete with 4 other classes of players their entire career thanks to everyone from the 2017-2020 classes getting an extra year due to covid.

 

[LoTrader]

I know some here would like ND to be “that bad” and they clearly have some issues they need to work on but I think more than anything SC is THAT good. This game was a masterpiece from them.

They are clearly the best team along with UConn. Just wow. They are still loaded, still great at defense and Cardoso is unstoppable down low. Dawn hasn’t missed a beat. ND starting post couldn’t do a single thing with her at all.

Not clearly. You seem to have forgot there are a number of quality PAC-12 teams.

 

[bovwa10]

I’m not seeing what you are seeing. They have a freshman point guard and citron. They have nothing in their front court and have a transfer from Fordham as a starter in their backcourt. Before the season I was scratching my head at the roster before todays game and now I feel as if my suspicions were confirmed.

They have the #1 freshman class, Miles when she gets back, Citron, Westbeld, Bransford (also injured during the SC game), Prosper, etc. They're obviously not at the level of SC or UConn, but they're definitely part of the next tier of teams.

 

[bovwa10]

Not clearly. You seem to have forgot there are a number of quality PAC-12 teams.

None are as good as UConn or SC imo. UCLA may have the talent to be just as good, but Close is not nearly as good of a coach as Geno and Staley imo.

 

[bovwa10]

I doubt it will even be their worst loss of the season tbh. They lost Ebo, Mabrey and Miles (for the forseeable future) and only have an undersized freshman PG to backfill. Its going to be a rough year in South Bend, at least until Miles returns.

Who else has the talent to blow ND out like SC just did? Maybe UConn, but they're not playing ND until January. As for the players they've lost, Ebo was a solid role player but not extraordinary, Mabrey didn't play for half of last season, and Miles should be back by the time conference play starts. They have a top recruiting class, and those players will get more comfortable as the season wears on.

 

[hoopsnloops32]

They have the #1 freshman class, Miles when she gets back, Citron, Westbeld, Bransford (also injured during the SC game), Prosper, etc. They're obviously not at the level of SC or UConn, but they're definitely part of the next tier of teams.

#1 freshman class? Are they LSU?