Sanogo

[OUTATIME]

not me...they fit together worse than whaley and sanogo. which one of them is supposed to play the 4?

Imagine if Pop had your line of thinking when the Spurs drafted Duncan while they already had Robinson.

 

[444JR]

not me...they fit together worse than whaley and sanogo. which one of them is supposed to play the 4?

Also makes me wonder if we'd be able to land a big man prospect like Isaiah Miranda in the 2023 calls with senior Adama, sophomore Clingan, Junior Samson, and possibly redshirt Senior Springs already in the fold. One would have to think Adama would be playing 30+ minutes per game and dominating on both ends of the floor.

 

[navery12]

Is this true? Not saying you’re wrong but I’ve never heard anything even close to this before and seems very unfair. Why would foreigners be any less deserving than American college athletes?

It is correct, NIL only applies to US citizens since it's a federal law and international students are just here on a visa. Not sure about Sanogo's citizenship status though

 

[navery12]

Imagine if Pop had your line of thinking when the Spurs drafted Duncan while they already had Robinson.

Quit while you already look dumb, you don't need to do this to yourself

 

[superjohn]

not me...they fit together worse than whaley and sanogo. which one of them is supposed to play the 4?

Agreed but you've been hyping Purdue who starts 2 back to the basket centers together. If they are both good enough to start you start two centers but I expect Donovan will take a little time adjusting to the highest level of D1 basketball.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

The NBA will come back around to post play in a few years as someone runs a few regressions on the Points per Possession that happens when a pass goes into the post during the possession. The NBA is in the early days of figuring out its own analytics.

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[OUTATIME]

Quit while you already look dumb, you don't need to do this to yourself

So you aren't completely fired up at the idea of Sanago and clingan playing together??

 

[navery12]

So you aren't completely fired up at the idea of Sanago and clingan playing together??

Absolutely not. I'm fired up to have 40 minutes of them at the 5 and Akok/Johnson at the 4. But we shouldn't play 1 second of them together

 

[navery12]

Agreed but you've been hyping Purdue who starts 2 back to the basket centers together. If they are both good enough to start you start two centers but I expect Donovan will take a little time adjusting to the highest level of D1 basketball.

Except they don't, Trevion Williams comes off the bench and Zach Edey starts. Unless you mean Furst, but I wouldn't call him a back to the basket center

 

[OUTATIME]

But we shouldn't play 1 second of them together

This will age well.

 

[superjohn]

Except they don't, Trevion Williams comes off the bench and Zach Edey starts. Unless you mean Furst, but I wouldn't call him a back to the basket center

My bad, I was thinking of Edey and Williams. I assumed they both started. I've watched Purdue three times this season and didn't even notice.

 

[bendm]

Also makes me wonder if we'd be able to land a big man prospect like Isaiah Miranda in the 2023 calls with senior Adama, sophomore Clingan, Junior Samson, and possibly redshirt Senior Springs already in the fold. One would have to think Adama would be playing 30+ minutes per game and dominating on both ends of the floor.

if sanogo is still here as a senior it will certainly be a hard sell but it depends on how much he expects to play as a frosh. fortunately i think miranda can backup clingan or samson at the 4 and 5.

hurley sold clingan on coming into an equally crowded frontcourt next year w/ sanogo, akok, samson, and springs.

 

[JB75]

I love sanogo and he’s been a beast fir us this year but he needs to learn to pass out of those double teams. He can’t be a black hole. And no more baseline shots either. Hurleys job to tell him that. That baby hook is deadly once he gets in down low tho.

 

[shizzle787]

I don't think a single person here thinks he's a 1st round draft pick. I'm one of the few who's been saying he'll leave after his sophomore year and I think that would be as a late 2nd round/undrafted FA. I lean towards him coming back now that NIL has been passed though

He should stay four years. He has the potential to make more NIL money the next three years than playing in Europe or the G-League and he is much more suited to college ball. Believe it or not, NIL might actually make college basketball better.

 

[bendm]

It is correct, NIL only applies to US citizens since it's a federal law and international students are just here on a visa. Not sure about Sanogo's citizenship status though

He should stay four years. He has the potential to make more NIL money the next three years than playing in Europe or the G-League and he is much more suited to college ball. Believe it or not, NIL might actually make college basketball better.

a potential new concern regarding sanogo and NIL has been raised

 

[444JR]

if sanogo is still here as a senior it will certainly be a hard sell but it depends on how much he expects to play as a frosh. fortunately i think miranda can backup clingan or samson at the 4 and 5.

hurley sold clingan on coming into an equally crowded frontcourt next year w/ sanogo, akok, samson, and springs.

In Hurley and Co we trust. Looking forward to seeing where this Jeremy Fears Jr commitment is headed. It looks like we will definitely need another point guard in 2023 behind/alongside Diggins, Castle, and Floyd Jr. Gaffney could theoretically use his covid year if we miss out on Fears.

I'm of the opinion that Adama will find his way into the league whether he is drafted or not, but it's difficult to see him as an early entry 1st round pick at this time. He'll obviously be a dominant force over the next couple seasons for us, health permitting. He's got a lot to work on towards making his game more well rounded but by all accounts of his work ethic, he should get there. I assume he's heard all the black hole criticism by now and hope he will adjust accordingly.

 

[navery12]

My bad, I was thinking of Edey and Williams. I assumed they both started. I've watched Purdue three times this season and didn't even notice.

It's pretty wild, he averaged 15 and 9 last year and they don't start him this year. And he's making it work, averaging 14 and 9 in 20 minutes this year off the bench

 

[CardiacAndre7]

It's pretty wild, he averaged 15 and 9 last year and they don't start him this year. And he's making it work, averaging 14 and 9 in 20 minutes this year off the bench

Just nearly had a triple double off the bench, missed it by 1 assist. Although tbf he is pretty much playing starters minutes in games where they aren’t blowing the opponent out.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

Keep in mind that he is relatively new to the game and is still learning/growing...He's also young for his class.

Still a teenager, for another couple months.

 

[Get a Job]

It is correct, NIL only applies to US citizens since it's a federal law and international students are just here on a visa. Not sure about Sanogo's citizenship status though

Are you sure about this? I'd love to read about from a primary source if you have a link. I'm no lawyer, but this doesn't pass my smell test.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

@superjohn @nelsonmuntz

I get it. I just enjoy slamming the mid 90s Knicks. Which is odd, because I'm no Knick hater. Not in the slightest. I rooted for them at the time. I was certainly rooting against the Bulls.

The 90s Knicks have just become the embodiment of frustrating NBA basketball for me. When I think of grind it out, painful to watch, ratings killing NBA basketball, I think mid 90s Knicks. Throw in Anthony and Dale Davis and I get a little sick thinking about it.

Any hint the NBA would move in that direction stylistically makes me a bit paranoid.

The 90s Knicks are a prototype of a smart coach not using any analytics at all to assemble a team. Ewing and Mason were fine, but no modern coach would put Rivers, Anthony and Starks into the same back court. Those are three guards that are defense first and can't shoot. Anthony couldn't shoot at all. Compare that to Tomjonavich's backcourt in Houston: Smith, Maxwell, and Cassell. Smith was not a great athlete and Cassell was not a major scorer yet when he was on Houston, but they could all shoot, spacing the floor for Hakeem. When you would see the two teams match up, they looked pretty even, but from an analytics perspective, Houston's backcourt was much more effective.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The offensive rebound numbers aren't too drastically different for a 3 vs a shot up close, I think a 3 was around 30% and a layup was around 35%, so it'll depend on how good of a shooter you have. There's a lot of variables so hard to give a straight answer, but if you have a 35% 3 point shooter and assume 1 offensive rebound, the points per possession flip when you have a 54% shot from 2 point range

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Close shots are rebounded by the offense 35% of the time, while every shot outside of 12 feet until 27 feet was 20% or less chance of a rebound. I haven't seen good data on this, but I suspect those close misses often result in putbacks or defensive fouls, while the long rebounds are just another possession. Furthermore, a close shot that resulted in a short miss was rebounded 47% of the time by the offense. Again, events in basketball are not independent of prior or successive events.

 

[MexicoHusky]

The 90s Knicks are a prototype of a smart coach not using any analytics at all to assemble a team. Ewing and Mason were fine, but no modern coach would put Rivers, Anthony and Starks into the same back court. Those are three guards that are defense first and can't shoot. Anthony couldn't shoot at all. Compare that to Tomjonavich's backcourt in Houston: Smith, Maxwell, and Cassell. Smith was not a great athlete and Cassell was not a major scorer yet when he was on Houston, but they could all shoot, spacing the floor for Hakeem. When you would see the two teams match up, they looked pretty even, but from an analytics perspective, Houston's backcourt was much more effective.

That may true, but in retrospect I can't watch those old Knick games at all. It's infuriating and after watching modern NBA with all the spacing the old Knick games look archaic.

Edit: whenever I watch 90s Knick basketball it feels like I'm watching creamed corn wrestling at a strip club.... except instead of strippers it's Anthony Mason. And Dale Davis.

 

[Get a Job]

Are you sure about this? I'd love to read about from a primary source if you have a link. I'm no lawyer, but this doesn't pass my smell test.

@navery12 , never mind. Found it. Sorry for doubting you.

This is freaking outrageous and needs to be fixed immediately.

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[superjohn]

Jokic is a total unicorn though, you're not going to find any post players like him. Best passing big ever and is basically putting up the back to back best efficiency #'s of any player in NBA history.

The hope is Sanogo can just become adequate at recognizing a double and passing it to shooters soon. It would help the team and him so much.

Jokic in 24 minutes tonight- 24 points, 18 rebounds, 8 assists.

 

[navery12]

This is not right.

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Close shots are rebounded by the offense 35% of the time, while every shot outside of 12 feet until 27 feet was 20% or less chance of a rebound. I haven't seen good data on this, but I suspect those close misses often result in putbacks or defensive fouls, while the long rebounds are just another possession. Furthermore, a close shot that resulted in a short miss was rebounded 47% of the time by the offense. Again, events in basketball are not independent of prior or successive events.

You're right, it looks like the article I found was from 2004 so the data has probably changed. So only slightly different since it's 35 vs 25 instead of 35 vs 30

 

[EASTFLA]

My post wasn't a slight to him. He is and will be a great college player, and I love watching him work in the low post. Right now that is most of his game. Turnovers, rebounds, lack of mid-range jumper, no 3 point ability....all those are as of now. He certainly could develop them. If he adds a consistent mid range jumper, and at least be a threat from 3, before he leaves he will be a lottery pick. The problem is from where is game is now to that game is a long way away. He can get there though if he wants it bad enough.

 

[Tenspro2002]

The 90s Knicks are a prototype of a smart coach not using any analytics at all to assemble a team. Ewing and Mason were fine, but no modern coach would put Rivers, Anthony and Starks into the same back court. Those are three guards that are defense first and can't shoot. Anthony couldn't shoot at all. Compare that to Tomjonavich's backcourt in Houston: Smith, Maxwell, and Cassell. Smith was not a great athlete and Cassell was not a major scorer yet when he was on Houston, but they could all shoot, spacing the floor for Hakeem. When you would see the two teams match up, they looked pretty even, but from an analytics perspective, Houston's backcourt was much more effective.

Pretty wild to think that a successful NBA team used to start 6'8 (Oakley), 6'10 (Charles Smith), 7'0 (Ewing) across the front line, none of whom shot 3's, and then brought another 6'8 non-shooter (Mason) off the bench.

Only two outside threats on the floor at a time.

These days, if your center can't shoot 3's he's a liability.

 

[pepband99]

@superjohn @nelsonmuntz

I get it. I just enjoy slamming the mid 90s Knicks. Which is odd, because I'm no Knick hater. Not in the slightest. I rooted for them at the time. I was certainly rooting against the Bulls.

The 90s Knicks have just become the embodiment of frustrating NBA basketball for me. When I think of grind it out, painful to watch, ratings killing NBA basketball, I think mid 90s Knicks. Throw in Anthony and Dale Davis and I get a little sick thinking about it.

Any hint the NBA would move in that direction stylistically makes me a bit paranoid.

I would watch the 90s Knicks over the current NBA of crossover/dribbledrive/walk/chuck and duck/walk again 1:1 nonsense that exists now.

There are exceptions, but today's NBA is simply unwatchable, for me.

 

[McLovin]

@navery12 , never mind. Found it. Sorry for doubting you.

This is freaking outrageous and needs to be fixed immediately.

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With it being visa issues it would have to be changed with federal law, not the NCAA.

But I wonder if any sort of back door dealings is possible. Where a booster just happens to own a “company” in the players home country and pays them to a sponsor there (outside of the US).