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Sanogo putting up big numbers

I always thought he would at least take Drummond's spot after the all star break. Maybe he will get some run even earlier if the Bulls don't turn it around.
 
On a related note, how many chances does Billy Donovan get?

Outside of his first year with OKC, he's been very underwhelming as an NBA coach but you hardly ever hear about him being on the hot seat.
 
whosurdaddy2720 said:
On a related note, how many chances does Billy Donovan get?

Outside of his first year with OKC, he's been very underwhelming as an NBA coach but you hardly ever hear about him being on the hot seat.
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I am stunned he hasn't come back to college basketball at some point.
 
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Bulls are pseudo tanking. They dont want someone productive like Sonogo. Better have hime playing every minute in the G league. Once they trade Levine they can bring him up to the league.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
I am stunned he hasn't come back to college basketball at some point.
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He’s a college coaching legend, doesn’t need any money, and recruiting is more of a grind than ever before. If anything I’d expect more and more coaches to prefer the NBA or retire early like Jay Wright.
 
whosurdaddy2720 said:
On a related note, how many chances does Billy Donovan get?

Outside of his first year with OKC, he's been very underwhelming as an NBA coach but you hardly ever hear about him being on the hot seat.
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I like Donovan but his record speaks for itself. As a long time Bulls fan I will say that for the month or so when Lonzo Ball was healthy they were dynamic. Once Ball got hurt it went back to the same old. Also, I don't know if Donovan has any draft input but Patrick Williams at #4 pick 2020 - bust, no first round pick in 2021, Dalen Terry #18 2022 - bust, 2023 draft day trade for Julian Phillips so far a bust. Management hasn't done Billy any favors.
 
QDOG5 said:
I like Donovan but his record speaks for itself. As a long time Bulls fan I will say that for the month or so when Lonzo Ball was healthy they were dynamic. Once Ball got hurt it went back to the same old. Also, I don't know if Donovan has any draft input but Patrick Williams at #4 pick 2020 - bust, no first round pick in 2021, Dalen Terry #18 2022 - bust, 2023 draft day trade for Julian Phillips so far a bust. Management hasn't done Billy any favors.
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There was a lot of hype for Arturas Karnisovas but the team he's put together is really bad and his draft picks have been atrocious.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
10 years from now we will look back with disbelief at an era of basketball where height was passed over so teams could have more marginal guards crowd each other on the perimeter chucking 3 attempts.
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Are you aware that there are currently two rookies in the NBA over 7' with 8'+ wingspans chucking 3's? The three-happy era isn't ending unless they change the distance.
Height isn't passed over, the problem is there are plenty of 6'7"+ guys that are super athletic and can shoot and defend all over the floor. At 'just' 6'9" Sanogo is closer to wing size than he is to the successful interior centers like Jokic, Embid or even Valanciuinus.
 
Dogdeacon said:
Are you aware that there are currently two rookies in the NBA over 7' with 8'+ wingspans chucking 3's? The three-happy era isn't ending unless they change the distance.
Height isn't passed over, the problem is there are plenty of 6'7"+ guys that are super athletic and can shoot and defend all over the floor. At 'just' 6'9" Sanogo is closer to wing size than he is to the successful interior centers like Jokic, Embid or even Valanciuinus.
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He's aware, he just knows more than all the NBA GMs and coaches. Probably all the college coaches, too
 
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Dogdeacon said:
Are you aware that there are currently two rookies in the NBA over 7' with 8'+ wingspans chucking 3's? The three-happy era isn't ending unless they change the distance.
Height isn't passed over, the problem is there are plenty of 6'7"+ guys that are super athletic and can shoot and defend all over the floor. At 'just' 6'9" Sanogo is closer to wing size than he is to the successful interior centers like Jokic, Embid or even Valanciuinus.
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Wemby but who is the other one? If you're talking about Chet he may be 7'0 or just a hair under, his wingspan is said to be 7'6.
 
superjohn said:
Wemby but who is the other one? If you're talking about Chet he may be 7'0 or just a hair under, his wingspan is said to be 7'6.
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He definitely looks over 7 foot. He looked to have at least an inch on David Robinson on draft night.
 
dogpause said:
Wes Unseld, a 6'7" Center, was looked at the same way, many years ago. He's in the HOF.

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Love me some Adama but you aren't seriously comparing him to Wes Unseld. Unseld averaged 19 rebounds and 20 amazing outlet passes in college.

Also when Unseld retired, he could have moved to Mali, had a child and then that child's child could be Adama.

PS - I fudged a little on wingspan but point remains on 3 hoisting & both arguably better perimeter defenders than Adama, I was referencing Holmgren (7 to 7'1) & Wemby.
 
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CardiacAndre7 said:
He definitely looks over 7 foot. He looked to have at least an inch on David Robinson on draft night.
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Watch the actual video. Look at Chet's shoes and look at how Robinson is standing. Robinson's playing height of 7'1 was also probably a with shoes measurement or the typical 1.5 inch NBA boost, we also don't know his actual height now.

 
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superjohn said:
Watch the actual video. Look at Chet's shoes and look at how Robinson is standing. Robinson's playing height of 7'1 was also probably a with shoes measurement or the typical 1.5 inch NBA boost, we also don't know his actual height now.

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I mean, he looks taller. Chet is definitely over 7 foot playing.
 
Dogdeacon said:
Are you aware that there are currently two rookies in the NBA over 7' with 8'+ wingspans chucking 3's? The three-happy era isn't ending unless they change the distance.
Height isn't passed over, the problem is there are plenty of 6'7"+ guys that are super athletic and can shoot and defend all over the floor. At 'just' 6'9" Sanogo is closer to wing size than he is to the successful interior centers like Jokic, Embid or even Valanciuinus.
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There are plenty of 6'7 guys that are athletic. You could have stopped there. What does a 5th 3 point shooter do if he is shooting in the low 30's? That player is not really a threat from deep, and is crowding the perimeter for better shooters. A 5th 3 point shooter is just another body on the outside that makes defensive rotations easier and takes shots away from better shooters.

You don't space the floor by swinging the ball around the perimeter to people who start 25 feet from the basket. You space the floor by going inside/out. But a drive to the basket is a lower percentage play than a post-up by an above average interior player. The post-up enables easier kick outs to good shooters for high percentage, facing the basket catch-and-shoot 3's. The analytics will catch up, and there will be interior play again, instead of these ridiculous 5 out offenses that a simple 2-3 zone can shut down.

The fact that the Celtics were able to get Porzingis, one of the best big men of his generation, for an undersized, aging headcase that couldn't shoot like Marcus Smart goes to show just how badly some teams misunderstand the data, and how a GM like Stevens can outsmart other executives, at least for a few years.
 
Kenny11 said:
I always thought he would at least take Drummond's spot after the all star break. Maybe he will get some run even earlier if the Bulls don't turn it around.
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He’s a smaller version of Drummond, who is much more athletic. It’s hard to believe he takes his place barring a trade.
 
I've asked before and I'll ask again. Can Sanogo develop into a Paul Milsap type player?
 
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Dogdeacon said:
Are you aware that there are currently two rookies in the NBA over 7' with 8'+ wingspans chucking 3's? The three-happy era isn't ending unless they change the distance.
Height isn't passed over, the problem is there are plenty of 6'7"+ guys that are super athletic and can shoot and defend all over the floor. At 'just' 6'9" Sanogo is closer to wing size than he is to the successful interior centers like Jokic, Embid or even Valanciuinus.
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But are they chucking cutters?
 
Adama is in a good spot. He's shown what he can do playing hoop at a level above college. He will make a lot of money playing basketball.
 
QDOG5 said:
I've asked before and I'll ask again. Can Sanogo develop into a Paul Milsap type player?
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Only if playing with clingan at the same time.
 
fatlucy said:
He’s a smaller version of Drummond, who is much more athletic. It’s hard to believe he takes his place barring a trade.
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They aren't similar at all, Drummond never had a post up/back to the basket game like Sanogo did, also not as adept at finishing under the rim like Sanogo. Drummond is bigger and more explosive vertically, although that has declined with his age and weight fluctuation.
 
They are different players. To guard Sanogo in the post you have to be very long and have some muscle. But again this is just not how they play the game. I don’t like it, but look a Mitchell Robinson from the Knicks. That’s what they are lookin for in centers. They have to run well, have great feel for the pick and roll on offense, be long and quick enough to guard the pick and roll on defense. If you happen to be great shooter like AD, Joel and I am sure I missing once or two others. But on the positive note SJ is going to play at the next level. He is perfect to guard a stretch four on defensive and his jumping ability is ++. I am not even talking about how high he jumps. I will get some grief for this but I am just going to say it. He just may be the quickest jumper we have ever had. It like he starts to jump and the next thing you see is the ball being slammed through the rim. It’s really astonishing how quickly he gets up. No wonder Dan Hurley was recruiting him hard. Right now SJ is looking like an off the charts athlete who is learning how to play. He only started a few years ago. So we may have him for another year but if he continues on his current trajectory I could see him going late first round early second.
 
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