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Sanogo, Clingan, Johnson, and Springs

Sonogo is the 5. Clingan gets some backup minutes but also the occasional DNP depending on the opponent and situation. Think he is a bit of a development project. Springs makes sure the bench remains in place.
 
Because we have 4 shooters

Agreed. Hurley has had the recruiting success to get players that match his preferred style.

I wasn't saying UConn should play that style this year ... just that calling it "out-of-date" is a weak criticism. As if every team needs to pursue the same strategy, and it has to be the "current" one. That's a recipe for zero innovation and zero tailoring of strategy to players.
 
Do we though?
Yes. Samson Johnson and Alex Karaban are both above average shooters at the 4 position. Newton, Hawkins, Alleyne are all above average shooters too. The wild cards are Jackson and Diarra, they've shown flashes but not the consistency yet where I can put them in the shooter category
 
Dan Hurley has shown in the past, and I’m not a fan, of reacting to who the other team has on the floor. Who plays and where can come down to matchups. I think Dan Hurley is going to have a lot of options, which is a great thing.
 
I love it when a big runs the court as a trailer. The opposing big won’t want to run with him and it will tire him out if he does. If all 5 guys run it makes the secondary break more effective
I like it too but I am not onboard that two Bigs can’t play together. McHale and Parrish did ok.
 
Yes. Samson Johnson and Alex Karaban are both above average shooters at the 4 position. Newton, Hawkins, Alleyne are all above average shooters too. The wild cards are Jackson and Diarra, they've shown flashes but not the consistency yet where I can put them in the shooter category
We all hope that's the case but Alleyne is the only one who has shown he's an above average shooter.
 
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People are funny thinking there’s no shot a 7 footer who can pass the ball and make some shots can’t be on the court with a 6’8 PF in Sanogo. Will it be a lot, no but get ready because it’s going to happen and why wouldn’t it?

And DNPs? Nope not unless both Samson and Karaban are off the charts.

Ye of little faith!
 
People are funny thinking there’s no shot a 7 footer who can pass the ball and make some shots can’t be on the court with a 6’8 PF in Sanogo. Will it be a lot, no but get ready because it’s going to happen and why wouldn’t it?

And DNPs? Nope not unless both Samson and Karaban are off the charts.

Ye of little faith!
DNPs because:
a. We have other bigs who have experience and are more skilled at this point.
b. He isn’t a dominant big man yet. He is a bit Behind the curve having stayed at Bristol Central and played against 6-2 centers in high school.
C. I’m.not so sure he is a great athlete Who plays basketball instead of football because he is 7-1. He isn’t a guy who would be a top prospect if he was 6-9, so to speak.
I think he will be good but it will take a while to adjust to the the speed and strength of top college bigs.
 
I like it too but I am not onboard that two Bigs can’t play together. McHale and Parrish did ok.
I expect lots of hi low offense but Samson in the high post and Adama in the low block. Again though this will be effective only if Adama can pass from the low block
 
DNPs because:
a. We have other bigs who have experience and are more skilled at this point.
b. He isn’t a dominant big man yet. He is a bit Behind the curve having stayed at Bristol Central and played against 6-2 centers in high school.
C. I’m.not so sure he is a great athlete Who plays basketball instead of football because he is 7-1. He isn’t a guy who would be a top prospect if he was 6-9, so to speak.
I think he will be good but it will take a while to adjust to the the speed and strength of top college bigs.

A. We don’t have any 7’2 bigs and for now I’ve only seen one who is proven more skilled come game time.

B. He’s 7’2 whether he played against Bristol Eastern or not and knows how to score the ball

C. He’s NOT 6’9 so to speak so who cares about what ifs.

Kid will play minutes, how many not sure but DNPs will be few and far between.
 
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Sanogo 30mpg at 5
Clingan 5-10mpg at 5
Johnson 15-20mpg at 4, 0-5mpg running 5 depending on DC Matchups/fouls
Springs 0-10 mpg depending on fouls of the above bigs and matchups

There may be 10-20 mpg where Jackson runs as 4 given his superlative defense/rebounding against smaller lineups
 
Sanogo 30mpg at 5
Clingan 5-10mpg at 5
Johnson 15-20mpg at 4, 0-5mpg running 5 depending on DC Matchups/fouls
Springs 0-10 mpg depending on fouls of the above bigs and matchups

There may be 10-20 mpg where Jackson runs as 4 given his superlative defense/rebounding against smaller lineups

Think this is close but also believe Karabans ability to hit Js will put him in the minutes as well.
 
Will it be a lot, no but get ready because it’s going to happen and why wouldn’t it?
I’m going to ignore the very obvious offensive reasons because they’ve been covered plenty. Defensively, Sanogo already really struggles against quicker 5s who can put the ball on the floor. Presumably in this lineup he’s at the 4 against even quicker players. This is a great recipe for a) giving up a ton of easy buckets, and b) getting Sanogo in very quick foul trouble. That lineup is a truly terrible idea that I hope Dan Hurley isn’t insane enough to run out in any meaningful game time.
 
methinks DC is the best passer of that group.
that's two best's. so far.

springs is getting hosed. even tho every time he stepped on the court he belonged, yet, once again, he gets no time for us to really know what he can contribute. i do know that he has attitude, the good kind, the kind that makes his team mates feel more teamlike.

didn't youse just go on and on in the ko thread aboot how the bazz championship team was undertalented compared to the comp? what do yoo think the delta is between undertalented champ and talented also rans? and why haven't the zags won a championship?
 
DNPs because:
a. We have other bigs who have experience and are more skilled at this point.
b. He isn’t a dominant big man yet. He is a bit Behind the curve having stayed at Bristol Central and played against 6-2 centers in high school.
C. I’m.not so sure he is a great athlete Who plays basketball instead of football because he is 7-1. He isn’t a guy who would be a top prospect if he was 6-9, so to speak.
I think he will be good but it will take a while to adjust to the the speed and strength of top college bigs.
Your wrong…he would be good at 6-9…he’s a good athlete…he’s a good passer…a good shooter and he knows how to play… he will be a great player for uconn
 
If Sanogo's path to the NBA is to develop his perimeter defense and facing-the-basket game, then you might see some minutes with this as a developmental tactic. Perhaps in blowouts
If it's a true blowout and Sanogo sniffs the floor, then Hurley will need to get his head examined. Especially after what happened to Bueckers on the woman's side, who was only the floor when she got injured because they basically had no one else to put in.
 
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I’m going to ignore the very obvious offensive reasons because they’ve been covered plenty. Defensively, Sanogo already really struggles against quicker 5s who can put the ball on the floor. Presumably in this lineup he’s at the 4 against even quicker players. This is a great recipe for a) giving up a ton of easy buckets, and b) getting Sanogo in very quick foul trouble. That lineup is a truly terrible idea that I hope Dan Hurley isn’t insane enough to run out in any meaningful game time.

Sanogos feet have improved dramatically on defense not sure of the struggle you point to? They will be challenged on the defensive end with them both on the floor so it would need to be versus certain lineups. But it could also challenge the other teams defense right?

Terrible idea? We don’t even know what lineup works yet so for now their all terrible.
 
If it's a true blowout and Sanogo sniffs the floor, then Hurley will need to get his head examined. Especially after what happened to Bueckers on the woman's side, who was only the floor when she got injured because they basically had no one else to put in.

On Paige, they were up almost 20 with under a minute to go. They could have used a walk on or a fan from the stands, and they would have won.
 
How much have we seen Johnson, Springs and Clingan? Answer, hardly at all. I love these definitive pronouncements about how these guys will definitely perform. There’s one thing that I say Clingan will definitely be able to do and that is be over 7 feet tall and grab rebounds, probably without even jumping.
 
Curious what folks think about how Hurley will use these four players.

Karaban and Jackson will play at the 4 spot, but the four players I listed are essentially our 'bigs'. We know primarily how Hurley will use Sanogo, but I'm thinking it might be smart to throw Clingan into the fire with backup center's minutes early and consistently, so he might contribute later in the season when Sanogo is out of the game with fouls etc.. And if not, do Johnson and Springs spend any time at the 5? I know Johnson will spend time at the 4, but what about Springs, might he get some time at the 4? Will Springs be part of the rotation?

Whatya all think?
Disagree with your initial premise. I think Johnson will start at the 4. Karaban will play some 4 and some 3. Jackson might play 5-10 mpg at the 4 but will mostly be the 3 like last year. I don’t see many minutes for Clingan in league games, unless Hurley completely changes his defense. I’d say Johnson gets as much time as the backup 5 as Clingan. Those may be the minutes where AJax is a 4. I expect Alleyne to be the 6th man.

As for Sanogo and Clingan, it wouldn’t make sense. Sanogo can show his face up game on offense as a 5. He doesn’t need to do that with Clingan standing in the paint. In fact, he’d be more effective with if we essentially leave the post empty. Sanogo and Clingan together is a bad defensive lineup.
 
Sanogos feet have improved dramatically on defense not sure of the struggle you point to? They will be challenged on the defensive end with them both on the floor so it would need to be versus certain lineups. But it could also challenge the other teams defense right?
It’s not a shot against him, that’s just not his game. He’s a big traditional low-post center that doesn’t have the foot speed to match up well when he has to guard the perimeter (especially with someone that can put it on the floor, see Nova). You deal with it to keep his offense in the game but asking him to do that when it’s not totally necessary is bonkers. There’s literally no upside in this situation. What is the challenge it poses to the opposing defense? That we have a 7 footer who isn’t a threat to create from the perimeter forced to camp out at the three point line and hopefully shoot/pass well enough to not be a total non-factor on offense? It’s a lineup that hurts UConn offensively and defensively.
Terrible idea? We don’t even know what lineup works yet so for now their all terrible.
I have no clue where to even start with this point.
 
People are funny thinking there’s no shot a 7 footer who can pass the ball and make some shots can’t be on the court with a 6’8 PF in Sanogo. Will it be a lot, no but get ready because it’s going to happen and why wouldn’t it?

And DNPs? Nope not unless both Samson and Karaban are off the charts.

Ye of little faith!
I expect several DNPs. The problem is defense. Not offense. We have to completely change our defense any time he’s on the court.
 
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Disagree with your initial premise. I think Johnson will start at the 4. Karaban will play some 4 and some 3. Jackson might play 5-10 mpg at the 4 but will mostly be the 3 like last year. I don’t see many minutes for Clingan in league games, unless Hurley completely changes his defense. I’d say Johnson gets as much time as the backup 5 as Clingan. Those may be the minutes where AJax is a 4. I expect Alleyne to be the 6th man.

As for Sanogo and Clingan, it wouldn’t make sense. Sanogo can show his face up game on offense as a 5. He doesn’t need to do that with Clingan standing in the paint. In fact, he’d be more effective with if we essentially leave the post empty. Sanogo and Clingan together is a bad defensive lineup.
That's not my original premise. Yes, Karaban and Jackson will play at the 4, but they will both also see time at the 3. As far as who starts at the 4 I think it will be Johnson, if he can earn that over Karaban. Johnson can potentially make it much harder to attack the rim on defense, and that is a significant part of the puzzle. So if Johnson's whole game has improved, both defensively, and he's a legit threat on offense, then I think he'll start, unless Karaban is ridiculously good right out of the gate.

A third possible lineup is Jackson at the 4 and Hawkins and Alleyne at the 2 and the 3 with Newton at the 1, Sanogo in the post. It's a smaller lineup though.

We shall see :)
 
I must say, the near total write-off of DC and the persistent under-valuation of AK, two of the more exciting freshmen prospects we have recently recruited, is breathtaking!

These two were not recruited for their athleticism, which invariably takes time to adjust to college-level play (e.g., Hawkins, Jackson, etc.). They were recruited rather for their specialties, DC specializing in massive interior intimidation and AK in deadeye sharpshooting. Besides which, both have demonstrated a degree of passing skill and overall court awareness -- bonus traits that nicely enhance their immediate potential. Pardon me if I expect a contribution from these two that is likely to exceed the improvement we hope for from several aforementioned returnees.
 
I expect several DNPs. The problem is defense. Not offense. We have to completely change our defense any time he’s on the court.
Hopefully not. Hopefully we are less of a hard hedging one trick pony.
 
Editing my last post just above; ran out of time apparently, first time ever.

About that third possible lineup, the size of it may not matchup well with some of our opponents and I don't know enough to know how good the veteran Alleyne might be this year, but if he is smoking good this season it might be a possibility. Just a thought, who knows?
 
Sanogo needs to use the glass and all his problems will be solved. Some staffer needs to put a video together with the best of Duncan and McHale for inspiration.
 
College basketball has and will always be about match ups. So there may be times when Sanogo/Clingan makes sense.

Last year's home game versus PCU is an example where it could have helped.
 
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