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Samson Johnson

Samoo said:
Or we needed his rim protection, which no one else provided at that high of a level, more than we needed his mediocre three points shooting on a team with high level shooters.
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Better yet his defensive rebounding
 
AntG168 said:
Because we clearly didn’t need it to win games…….
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Agree. Castle did ok shooting 3's at the combine but not his job to hunt 3's in the game (that was Spencer and Newton's job as they were better at it), Karaban could drive but Castle was better at it and had smaller defender so Castle drove more.
 
AntG168 said:
Better yet his defensive rebounding
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I just looked up his career Per Game Rebounding stats for 3 years as a Husky:
ORB 0.8
DRB 1.2
TRB 2.0

Not sure that qualifies as "needing his defensive" or offensive rebounding. This is clearly in need of improvement going forward.
 
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alphasigko said:
I just looked up his career Per Game Rebounding stats for 3 years as a Husky:
ORB 0.8
DRB 1.2
TRB 2.0

Not sure that qualifies as "needing his defensive" or offensive rebounding. This is clearly in need of improvement going forward.
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So move him further away from the basket and out of position?

I didn’t claim he was a great defensive reb

They needed his defensive rebounding

In the biggest games they got it
 
AntG168 said:
So move him further away from the basket and out of position?

I didn’t claim he was a great defensive reb

They needed his defensive rebounding

In the biggest games they got it
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Yes they did, and, yes they do.

But hopefully more than 1.2 per game.
 
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navery12 said:
Free throws are by far the #1 predictor of 3 point shooting ability translating from college to the NBA. And he did improve a bit but he was still in the 60s for the latter half of the season, it was a weakness. And he's always been able to shoot 3's in workouts and warmups, but in game it's never really shown up

I'm gonna stop because I'm not trying to downplay Donovan, but some posters (not you) are just living in a fantasy land with their posts in this thread
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Agree on the FT translation, but he did improve and oddly, always missed the same way (back rim). Has a great stroke, is always on line, just doesn’t have the depth thing down.

In comparison to a guy like Samson (43% or so), who just has terrible form and no touch at all on his stroke. Missed all over the rim.

I for one thing Cling may be an exception to this over time. Even a guy like Luka shoots in the lower 70s from the line. It’s not a 1 to 1 thing.
 
Drame said:
You have still not provided any facts to back up this opinion.
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It’s really not a controversial take. He shot better on way higher volume, including stretches where he was shooting it pretty well.
 
This kinda went off the rails but... Samson kind is what he is at this point.

Pros
  • Incredibly bouncy rim runner that has massive lob gravity on offense
  • Covers insane amount of space with mobility and length on defense - great help D
  • Speed/athleticism gives opposing bigs fits with conditioning and focus
  • Incredible change of pace

Cons
  • very poor rebounder for height
  • Cannot anchor against strength at all, causes major foul problems
  • Limited offensive skillset (pass, dribble, etc)

Looking forward and hoping that an extra 20-25 lbs will allow him to at least not get pushed around as much underneath and possibly with rebounding - thought much of rebounding is instinct and Sam hasn't show that.
 
I have never seen Reed play a full game. But with all the centers available in the portal, we go and get him over the rest, pretty early in the process. Does that tell you something about Reed? I think it does. And I think that he will be the starter come Big East play.
 
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Iluvsuebird said:
Yes, his four minutes did it, not the 34 minutes that Edey had to wrestle DC.
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I'm guessing you haven't been chasing Clingan up and down a court yet this AM.

Stand up, spin around a few times. Then, report back to the BY and let us know if you felt dizzy at all.
 
I thought Samson showed decent passing instincts last year, not as good as DC but DC is arguably the best passing C we've had so not fair to compare him to that standard.
 
aceboon said:
I thought Samson showed decent passing instincts last year, not as good as DC but DC is arguably the best passing C we've had so not fair to compare him to that standard.
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I'd call it neither an asset nor a deficit. He's servicable passing it, which is all we need from him. Right around where we saw Carlton per-40, but not where Whaley, Adama or Clingan was.

Johnson: 1.2 per-40
Clingan: 2.7
Sanogo: 1.9
Carlton: 1.3

We didn't recruit him to be a playmaker from the post. We recruited him to jump over people's heads and insult their genealogical history. I'm sure he'll work on passing this summer, but it's not his primary point for improvement IMO.
 
bmayuc said:
This kinda went off the rails but... Samson kind is what he is at this point.

Pros
  • Incredibly bouncy rim runner that has massive lob gravity on offense
  • Covers insane amount of space with mobility and length on defense - great help D
  • Speed/athleticism gives opposing bigs fits with conditioning and focus
  • Incredible change of pace

Cons
  • very poor rebounder for height
  • Cannot anchor against strength at all, causes major foul problems
  • Limited offensive skillset (pass, dribble, etc)

Looking forward and hoping that an extra 20-25 lbs will allow him to at least not get pushed around as much underneath and possibly with rebounding - thought much of rebounding is instinct and Sam hasn't show that.
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Both sides were on display in the championship game. He bamboozled Edey for back to back pick-and-roll dunks, but also committed 5 fouls in 5 minutes.

If he can gain weight and maintain his explosiveness and quick-twitch leaping ability and become a capable fundamentally sound defender in the post, he has a chance to start. If he ends up in between where his quickness and vertical suffer, but he still can't defend opposing bigs, he'll be unplayable. Hopefully at the very least he can be a 15 minute bench big, though that puts a lot of pressure on Reed.
 
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I don't care if he gets bigger. But he does need to get stronger to be a better defender. Some guys can do that without adding much weight. He will get naturally bigger as he ages. Happens to us all. Force feeding weight doesn't always produce the desired results.

Clingan got bigger and it hurt his game.
 
Palatine said:
I don't care if he gets bigger. But he does need to get stronger to be a better defender. Some guys can do that without adding much weight. He will get naturally bigger as he ages. Happens to us all. Force feeding weight doesn't always produce the desired results.

Clingan got bigger and it hurt his game.
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clingan didn't put on good weight...
 
Getting larger is necessary for Johnsons pro prospects. He's not going to have a long career at a high euro level if he doesn't play at a heavier weight. Physical euro post centric bigs would eat him alive.

He can survive in college at least years weight in the same role if that's all he wants. But I imagine he prefers playing pro ball for solid money after college.
 
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Tenspro2002 said:
Both sides were on display in the championship game. He bamboozled Edey for back to back pick-and-roll dunks, but also committed 5 fouls in 5 minutes.

If he can gain weight and maintain his explosiveness and quick-twitch leaping ability and become a capable fundamentally sound defender in the post, he has a chance to start. If he ends up in between where his quickness and vertical suffer, but he still can't defend opposing bigs, he'll be unplayable. Hopefully at the very least he can be a 15 minute bench big, though that puts a lot of pressure on Reed.
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He's gaining MUSCLE, not fat.
 
At my heaviest, 230, I was slow. Now at 170 I move much faster. At least falling down. I can be on the ground in lightning speed which is expected for a guy approaching 66.
 
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