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Your forgetting that Jim Calhoun retired at a time we were facing suspension on bogus grounds. The narrative was UConn basketball was Jim Calhoun and our program was dead. Thats a narrative that is actually believed by the gullible on this board.
The fact that the other Big East schools were pretty much regional as well escapes the discussion. The Big East and ESPN gave them a national stage and to UConn's credit we took advantage of the opportunity
Yeah, that was a part of it but I don't think it played an enormous role in the Louisville decision in the fall of 2012. That was so heavily predicated on football that P and the lack of success of the program post-Fiesta was far, far more important.
 
Brass nailed it with these two.
- No matter how many of you don't want to hear it, the perception is that since our football team does not play on campus, we're somehow second rate. Right or wrong, it is what it is.
- Of course, not moving to FBS football sooner. That's the underlying issue behind everything. If we'd upgraded sooner and began the process sooner, it's highly unlikely we're in the AAC right now.


Had UConn built a stadium on campus and moved from FCS to FBS much earlier we would not be having this situation. Not a whole lot that can be done about either of those at this point but when you look at it UConn is trying to become the youngest football program in the p-5. There is not a another football program similar in age to UConn anywhere in the p-5 that I am aware of. That is one heck of a challenge.

Another thing to keep in mind is how value of a school is much different from conference to conference as Rutgers has much value to the B1G but is pretty much worthless to the Big 12. The Big 12 does not have a network to charge subscribers in the state so performance/TV ratings are much more important. I think that bodes well for UConn when it comes to the Big 12. Schools with actual fans will always be valuable no matter how the delivery of live sports evolves. The days of charging every person in NJ for channels they don't watch is going to come to an end.

So UCLA isn't P5 worthy? Miami? Washington or Oregon? (technically off campus in both cases). Pitt? Baylor? USCe? I think it was a mistake to build the Rent off campus. It was short sighted. But it isn't fatal, and UConn isn't unique in that regard. Yes UConn is a young program, but one that actually was pretty successful in the Big East very quickly.

The second point is the one I raised earlier, which you griped about.
 
If Purdue or WF or Washington State is in the P5 then we "deserve" to be P5 just the same..

If you downvote WF for being a small-ish private college, then...

Purdue (way)> WF > Washington State

I believe your Big Ten invite is just a matter of time. New England, along with another slice of NYC metro, is too academically and culturally rich to pass up.
 
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So UCLA isn't P5 worthy? Miami? Washington or Oregon? (technically off campus in both cases). Pitt? Baylor? USCe? I think it was a mistake to build the Rent off campus. It was short sighted. But it isn't fatal, and UConn isn't unique in that regard. Yes UConn is a young program, but one that actually was pretty successful in the Big East very quickly.

The second point is the one I raised earlier, which you griped about.
Washington and Oregon both play on campus or literally adjacent to it. UCLA and Miami aren't comparable to UConn's stadium situation since both play in other parts of their home city. That said, my point wasn't that it was fatal at all. It's just that it's another contributing factor to the perception of our program as second rate. There are loads of dominant college football programs that are located in obscure small towns not near any major highway or major town. It's entirely a perception thing with CR as we all know, and playing off campus is just another point against us in the perception game.
 
Nope. The logic is silly. Louisville wasn't valuable enough one day, and then was the next? TCU? West Virginia?

One day Rutgers wasn't valuable enough for the B10, and the next day, poof, they are.

The truth to it is that there's a calculus to whether a team is worth adding that goes far beyond "value."
Its called the self licking ice cream cone. Once you're in it self perpetuates your "worthiness". Why? Because you're a member.
 
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This argument makes no sense and is nothing more than fluff/nonsense. Yes, there are several partnerships that have persisted throughout realignment (Wake in the ACC), but when adding new teams, it'a all about money. Any other way of thinking is delusional - which is exactly why we, as UConn fans, are always flustered when we are left out. We look at it from a different perspective.

We've been over this a thousand times. For anyone that has a network, UConn is valuable because of the number of TV sets and the very high monthly subscription fees that can be charged, and this makes UConn more valuable than Syracuse, BC, Pitt, Cincy, etc.
 
How early were we considering moving to D1-A? Like when did the rumblings start?
First time I remember hearing it as a thought was in either '88 or '89. The AD at that time, Todd Turner, made a comment at a banquet that UConn was exploring upgrading football from 1AA to 1A.
 
I do believe we are worthy of a P5, but none of that matters unless we are selected to join one. Expansion has been all about football, and thus money, and we just aren't there yet with football. That's been our problem - we weren't screwed by FSU & Clemson; we were screwed because we didn't have a big enough football program.
Wow. I finally understand. Thanks for opening up my eyes. It's not like this is a rehash of any of the million CR posts here. Truly original thought, at last. Finally it all makes sense.
 
So UCLA isn't P5 worthy? Miami? Washington or Oregon? (technically off campus in both cases). Pitt? Baylor? USCe? I think it was a mistake to build the Rent off campus. It was short sighted. But it isn't fatal, and UConn isn't unique in that regard. Yes UConn is a young program, but one that actually was pretty successful in the Big East very quickly.

The second point is the one I raised earlier, which you griped about.

LOL. "Technically off campus" . C-mon man "technically off campus" and "45 miles away" are different. As it playing in a pro stadium. Get real.


I have pointed out how there is not a football program in the p-5 that is close to as young as UConn is. If you call that griping so be it. This is uncharted territory as most of the programs we know of who moved up from FCS to FBS recently are in conferences like the sun belt, not looking to in a p-5 conference like UConn is.
 
Wow. I finally understand. Thanks for opening up my eyes. It's not like this is a rehash of any of the million CR posts here. Truly original thought, at last. Finally it all makes sense.
There's a reason this thread is entitled "Same old song and dance..." Did you actually expect a novel topic?
 
Yeah, that was a part of it but I don't think it played an enormous role in the Louisville decision in the fall of 2012. That was so heavily predicated on football that P and the lack of success of the program post-Fiesta was far, far more important.
UConn had do many swings and misses in football it's really sad .
From the 50's onward UConn firmly established itself as Connrcticut's team in BB
Conversely UConn never established itself as Connrcticut's football team even yesrs after Yale faded from the picture. That was the first missed opportunity.
Even Delaware type success annually in a lesser division would have captured a state starved for college football. Winning seasons were rare even among lesser competition and successful programs like Southetn Conn got more press in some sections of the state than UConn. A low point was a loss to Div 11 New Haven.
Every time UConn football had a positive spin it was quickly followed by a bigger negative story.
We're going Big Time finally the state showed interest - the conference falls apart even before we join.
and the story becomes about lawsuits.
We win a championship and story is we lost money in a huge bowl game.
The bottom line is UConn never succeeded in capturing the love of their own state sometimes because of circumstances beyond their control. They don't have a big enough in state alumni base to sell out a BCS venue and beoming what they've attained in BB is the true ticket to success.
But one parting shot our record for the three seasons of the AAC is something like 7-16 , We were routed by Western Mich ,lost to a pathetic Army team and beat up by FCS Towson ,yet we continue to blame the AAC for fan apathy.
If we're were 16-7 in league play the last few years and beat up on the Cupcakes I strongly suspect the rent would be filled
 
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Enjoy the burning at the stake you're about to receive, newb.
joke
jōk/
noun
  1. 1.
    a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline.
    "she was in a mood to tell jokes"
    synonyms: funny story, jest, witticism, quip;


    I guess I still don't understand how this is a joke.
 
joke
jōk/
noun
  1. 1.
    a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline.
    "she was in a mood to tell jokes"
    synonyms: funny story, jest, witticism, quip;


    I guess I still don't understand how this is a joke.
Then it's gonna be a very long ride for you in here.
 
joke
jōk/
noun
  1. 1.
    a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, especially a story with a funny punchline.
    "she was in a mood to tell jokes"
    synonyms: funny story, jest, witticism, quip;


    I guess I still don't understand how this is a joke.

It took you nine hours to find the definition of "joke?" Oh and you missed the part that applied, I guess. See where it says "a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter?" Yep, that would be the part. Perhaps you weren't amused but judging by the number of likes the post got, it seems others were. Those people must just have senses of humor.

If you don't lighten up, then, as someone else suggested, you may not enjoy this place.

Just wait until the basketball board starts hanging people come March...
 
It took you nine hours to find the definition of "joke?" Oh and you missed the part that applied, I guess. See where it says "a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter?" Yep, that would be the part. Perhaps you weren't amused but judging by the number of likes the post got, it seems others were. Those people must just have senses of humor.

If you don't lighten up, then, as someone else suggested, you may not enjoy this place.

Just wait until the basketball board starts hanging people come March...
Yes, it took 9 hours - I actually have a job. And no, I don't care about the number of likes your post got - haven't seen a petty popularity contest since high school. The only thing that is comical about your response is the irony of it all.
 
Yes, it took 9 hours - I actually have a job. And no, I don't care about the number of likes your post got - haven't seen a petty popularity contest since high school. The only thing that is comical about your response is the irony of it all.

I actually have a job, as well. And you've done a lot of posting today, even while holding a job, so it's not like you didn't have the time to imitate Webster earlier. It's just odd that we had an entire conversation after the initial post without you providing me a definition of the word "joke" then nine hours after the fact, after an entire further exchange of messages, you decided to again address that post. Strange, really.

Anyway, you've made a bunch of fans here in two weeks, Doc. Keep up the great work.
 
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I never said you didn't. Very bizarre.

The word "actually" would insinuate that you believe the reader is unlike you- not privileged enough to be like 94% of society and actually be employed. Anyway, it's been a pleasure conversing with you, Sir. Have a sparkling evening.
 
Every time I start writing "This is the most idiotic thread I've ever read..." I stop and realize I just need to wait a little bit and it will be surpassed by something even more moronic. But this one is a winner.

This IS the most idiotic thread I've ever read, and will likely never be surpassed (at least not in my lifetime).
 
Every time I start writing "This is the most idiotic thread I've ever read..." I stop and realize I just need to wait a little bit and it will be surpassed by something even more moronic. But this one is a winner.

This IS the most idiotic thread I've ever read, and will likely never be surpassed (at least not in my lifetime).

You're welcome.
 
I never said you didn't. Very bizarre.


VPDcurt - did you say what kind of Doc you are? If you did, I am sorry I missed it. Regardless, I think you would be well-suited as a medical examiner - dealing only with the dead...
 
Every time I start writing "This is the most idiotic thread I've ever read..." I stop and realize I just need to wait a little bit and it will be surpassed by something even more moronic. But this one is a winner.

This IS the most idiotic thread I've ever read, and will likely never be surpassed (at least not in my lifetime).

You must be planning to have a short life, because odds are good that this thread gets surpassed by some horror before half time of MNF.
 
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So basically we should have upgraded when the Big East added football, would they have accepted us then like they did later on?
 
So basically we should have upgraded when the Big East added football, would they have accepted us then like they did later on?
My recollection is that they were required to by the Big East bylaws. Villanova too.
 
As a UConn fan, I do have to admit that there must be some truth to that sentiment. Emotionally, we see UConn as a good fit in a P5 conference. But realistically, if it made financial sense to the P5s, we would already be in one. No questions asked.

This only makes sense if you look at realignment as one single event. It isn't. Each move has had its own independent facts and circumstances. I doubt you're sophisticated enough to understand.
 
You must be planning to have a short life, because odds are good that this thread gets surpassed by some horror before half time of MNF.
The thought did cross my mind.
 
If you downvote WF for being a small-ish private college, then...

Purdue (way)> WF > Washington State

I believe your Big Ten invite is just a matter of time. New England, along with another slice of NYC metro, is too academically and culturally rich to pass up.
Its all about the $, and only the $.
 
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