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I feel very badly for the kid and his parents -- the system sucks and he fell victim to it. But it's a system flaw -- UConn did not do anything that many, and probably most, other schools don't do in the same circumstances. And, as I said, I truly doubt Edsall flat out lied to the kid, especially as there really wasn't any reason to.
BL I would say that this is more about a DC who uses his LB's a certain way and requires a certain speed/level of athleticism from them looking at film and saying that Mickens didn't fit his scheme than anything else. IMHO if RE had hired Crocker and Lashlee right away with Richardson, Wholley and C Edsall of this would have happened sooner.
 
I am interested in hearing Edsall's take on this. I'm guessing it will be something like:

"That's always a tough phone to call to make. I felt bad for Ryan. He is a fine young man and he was looking forward being a Husky. But when we looked at the things we feel we need to do at Connecticut to be successful on the field, Ryan was not going to be a good fit. It would be unfair at that point to have him come down here when we really didn't have a place for him to help us. So we wanted to give him as much notice as we could so that he could find a place to succeed. I've heard that URI has made him an offer, so he is in a good place. As I said, he is good kid and I wish him nothing but best in his college career."​


You won't hear Edsall's take. He can't comment on recruits, so it is convenient that the family and NJ media want to blow this up.
 
I am interested in hearing Edsall's take on this. I'm guessing it will be something like:

"That's always a tough phone to call to make. I felt bad for Ryan. He is a fine young man and he was looking forward being a Husky. But when we looked at the things we feel we need to do at Connecticut to be successful on the field, Ryan was not going to be a good fit. It would be unfair at that point to have him come down here when we really didn't have a place for him to help us. So we wanted to give him as much notice as we could so that he could find a place to succeed. I've heard that URI has made him an offer, so he is in a good place. As I said, he is good kid and I wish him nothing but best in his college career."​

You realize he can't say that, right? He can not talk about recruits except for those who sign papers with UConn.
 
You won't hear Edsall's take. He can't comment on recruits, so it is convenient that the family and NJ media want to blow this up.
And by the time he can, no one will care, but the damage (what little there may actually be) will be done
 
It's not like we're short on scholarships. You put him on specials as a freshmen and could throw him on the RB pile and see if he surprises. If he doesn't fit he would probably be gone in a couple of years anyhow. Hey, the kid committed to us. And I have heard the Edsall guilt trip laid on commits before. The whole "if you commit to is you don't talk to anyone else" thing. That's what Edsall expects. Sad story.
 
I feel very badly for the kid and his parents -- the system sucks and he fell victim to it. But it's a system flaw -- UConn did not do anything that many, and probably most, other schools don't do in the same circumstances. And, as I said, I truly doubt Edsall flat out lied to the kid, especially as there really wasn't any reason to.
I just wouldn't go all crazy calling the kid and his folks liars. They are much closer to the situation than we are. Kid is a victim of circumstances in this situation. Nothing more than that.
 
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It's not like we're short on scholarships. You put him on specials as a freshmen and could throw him on the RB pile and see if he surprises. If he doesn't fit he would probably be gone in a couple of years anyhow. Hey, the kid committed to us. And I have heard the Edsall guilt trip laid on commits before. The whole "if you commit to is you don't talk to anyone else" thing. That's what Edsall expects. Sad story.
Pal no offense but with a 4.9 40 yd time..what RB pile are you gonna throw him on? if there was any place to put this kid it was at LS. That's about it.
 
I just wouldn't go all crazy calling the kid and his folks liars. They are much closer to the situation than we are. Kid is a victim of circumstances in this situation. Nothing more than that.

I'm not calling anyone anything near being a liar. Despite what folks say on the Cesspool, lying is not saying something that fails to be 100% objectively correct. Lying requires that you know that you are making a misstatement.

It is quite plausible that the young man on New Years heard what he wanted to hear, and fully believes Edsall recommitted to him. In fact, that is by far the more likely scenario than that he and his family are lying now.
 
Pal no offense but with a 4.9 40 yd time..what RB pile are you gonna throw him on? if there was any place to put this kid it was at LS. That's about it.
I was thinking full back, but bottom line is, he was recruited by a different coach for a different scheme. That Coach has since been fired. We just hired our DC over the weekend.
 
I just wouldn't go all crazy calling the kid and his folks liars. They are much closer to the situation than we are. Kid is a victim of circumstances in this situation. Nothing more than that.
I feel bad for this kid...it happened to 2 of my friends who ended up playing at UConn. I also feel bad for him that he was offered a scholarship by a guy who really was in over his head as a HC. At the end of the day if Ryan Mickens was good enough to play LB in the AAC at UConn..he is good enough to get a scholarship form Diaco at Nebraska. But let's look at things like 40 times and then see if that is truly accurate.
 
Edsall was wrong to do this because he told him his scholarship was safe.

"Edsall called on New Year’s Day to assure Dickens the school still wanted him and his scholarship was safe, his parents said."

Then he sent his lb coach to NJ tell him he still had a scholarship

"UConn linebackers coach Jon Wholley even met with Dickens at Raritan Thursday to talk about signing day and his upcoming visit to UConn on Jan. 20"

and then three days later he tells him he doesn't have a scholarship.

Once you give your word you keep it. Period. End of story.

So you take one side's view of a conversation and assume that their view is an incontrovertible 100% accurate view of whatever happened? Even when their position coincides with their self interest (here that they were wronged)?

I don't think so.
 
It's not like we're short on scholarships. You put him on specials as a freshmen and could throw him on the RB pile and see if he surprises. If he doesn't fit he would probably be gone in a couple of years anyhow. Hey, the kid committed to us. And I have heard the Edsall guilt trip laid on commits before. The whole "if you commit to is you don't talk to anyone else" thing. That's what Edsall expects. Sad story.


We will need extra scholarships next year. You think the PR gets any better when you Process the kid after a season or 2? That's even worse, IMO.
 
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This is the ugly underbelly of recruiting at The FBS Level. Unfortunately these type of things happen as high up as Alabama where running off 4* Prospects to squeeze a few more 5 * kids into a class is not unheard of, down to UConn where a borderline FBS/FCS prospect might be encouraged to look around when a new coaching staff takes over. While the optics on the article look bad for Edsall and UConn, consider the source. Toadrick as I refer to him is a known Rutgers Wonk, so casting UConn in an unflattering light was never a concern for him. All that said Dickens sounds like an AWESOME kid. I hope he finds a scholarship somewhere and gets his schooling taken care of. In an era where many athletes feel a completely underserved sense of entitlement, this kid has earned the right to be a "scholarship athlete."
 
I was thinking full back, but bottom line is, he was recruited by a different coach for a different scheme. That Coach has since been fired. We just hired our DC over the weekend.
Noey as a FB you need 4.7 at the worst. Think about it..a kid like Arkel or RJ who run 4.5 range running behind a kid that runs a 4.9. Sherminator ran a 4.6 I think.
 
We will need extra scholarships next year. You think the PR gets any better when you Process the kid after a season or 2? That's even worse, IMO.

We won't need extra scholarships next year. We currently have over 20 seniors on the roster. Before even looking at who leaves or is driven out after spring practice.
 
We will need extra scholarships next year. You think the PR gets any better when you Process the kid after a season or 2? That's even worse, IMO.
I agree..then you get the label from the HS coach as being "the guy who screwed my kid over and you are a lying duckk. I will NEVER send one of my kids there EVER again". Damned if you do..more damned if you don't.
 
We won't need extra scholarships next year. We currently have over 20 seniors on the roster. Before even looking at who leaves or is driven out after spring practice.


Maybe we greyshirt people and take extras, maybe kids that liked Diaco transfer after getting yelled at...who knows. You don't just go handing out scholarships to unqualified kids. Period.
 
It's not like we're short on scholarships. You put him on specials as a freshmen and could throw him on the RB pile and see if he surprises. If he doesn't fit he would probably be gone in a couple of years anyhow. Hey, the kid committed to us. And I have heard the Edsall guilt trip laid on commits before. The whole "if you commit to is you don't talk to anyone else" thing. That's what Edsall expects. Sad story.
You live in La La land. Every scholarship is valuable. You don't take a flyer on someone if you're convinced the kid can't play at this level. Need to be strategic with all offers and that includes not using all of them in a given year if the right fit isn't out there
 
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Maybe our BCU friends can tell us about "committable offers" again.
 
Maybe we greyshirt people and take extras, maybe kids that liked Diaco transfer after getting yelled at...who knows. You don't just go handing out scholarships to unqualified kids. Period.

LOL. No, I agree there is no reason to hand out scholarships to kids who aren't going to help us. I was only pointing out that needing them for '18 recruiting is really not one of them, as we will probably end this season with less than 60 returning scholarship players anyway.
 
You realize he can't say that, right? He can not talk about recruits except for those who sign papers with UConn.
Yep, but I brain farted on it until @Jax Husky pointed it out. So the revised version is:

"That's always a tough phone to call to make. As you know I can't speak about specific individuals. When we looked at the things we feel we need to do at Connecticut to be successful on the field, and not everyone was going to be a good fit. It would be unfair at that point to have a young man come down here when we really didn't have a place for him to help us. So we wanted to give everyone as much notice as we could so that he could find a place to succeed. "​
 
Edsall was wrong to do this because he told him his scholarship was safe.

"Edsall called on New Year’s Day to assure Dickens the school still wanted him and his scholarship was safe, his parents said."

Then he sent his lb coach to NJ tell him he still had a scholarship

"UConn linebackers coach Jon Wholley even met with Dickens at Raritan Thursday to talk about signing day and his upcoming visit to UConn on Jan. 20"

and then three days later he tells him he doesn't have a scholarship.

Once you give your word you keep it. Period. End of story.


What this sounds to me is that Edsall has some other players at this position possibly locked up for the upcoming class that may rate higher or have what he is looking for. I would have to say that if he doesn't bring anyone in that fits this position or we leave scholarships open then it was his first PR blow since coming here. Kid could have been practice squad and left after the year.

Regardless of how bad this press is... he wasn't brought in to be nice. He was brought back to change this program around.
 
Jim Fuller: Ramblings from The Runway: Not exactly great PR for new UConn staff. (worth the read but here's a snippet)

>>This is not a good look for UConn. First of all, since Dickens is not signed, there's nothing UConn can say on the record to refute this report. I know this happens in recruiting. I just saw a tweet that said there were 189 football decommits last January. Still, it's a part of the recruiting process that is hard to deal with and harder to defend regardless of how often it happens. My hope is that Dickens (who tweeted that he was offered by URI) and Byczko land on their feet and have a great four or five years of college both on and off the field.

I also get the other side of the story. Randy Edsall is trying to salvage this recruiting class and improve the talent level of a program coming off a 3-9 season. There was already a perception that Bob Diaco's staff weren't the best at identifying talent (although one UConn decommit started as a redshirt freshman at South Florida and another one recently was offered by Baylor). Edsall and his staff do have the right to look at the players who committed to UConn when Diaco was running things and determine that those players either don't fit the scheme or don't have the talent or aren't as good of a fit as other players the Huskies are recruiting. There's not a painless way to navigate through this process especially when a coaching hire is made in late December and the staff is being finalized as the open recruiting period gets underway. Certainly this is not exactly the kind of press the UConn program is looking for especially with some national media types posting about it on social media. Ten years ago something like this would generate a little initial attention that would quickly subside. In this age of social media and blogs, the heat on UConn figures to be more sustained and more intense.<<
 
Well ain't that the Dickens.
 
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Yep, but I brain farted on it until @Jax Husky pointed it out. So the revised version is:

"That's always a tough phone to call to make. As you know I can't speak about specific individuals. When we looked at the things we feel we need to do at Connecticut to be successful on the field, and not everyone was going to be a good fit. It would be unfair at that point to have a young man come down here when we really didn't have a place for him to help us. So we wanted to give everyone as much notice as we could so that he could find a place to succeed. "​


Yes, that would likely be the nice response he would give. All the while, the family and media runs him down, while he bites his tongue from saying, "look, the kid is 200lbs and runs a 5.0 forty. He's not nearly the talent or skillset we need to win."
 
Jim Fuller: Ramblings from The Runway: Not exactly great PR for new UConn staff. (worth the read but here's a snippet)

>>This is not a good look for UConn. First of all, since Dickens is not signed, there's nothing UConn can say on the record to refute this report. I know this happens in recruiting. I just saw a tweet that said there were 189 football decommits last January. Still, it's a part of the recruiting process that is hard to deal with and harder to defend regardless of how often it happens. My hope is that Dickens (who tweeted that he was offered by URI) and Byczko land on their feet and have a great four or five years of college both on and off the field.

I also get the other side of the story. Randy Edsall is trying to salvage this recruiting class and improve the talent level of a program coming off a 3-9 season. There was already a perception that Bob Diaco's staff weren't the best at identifying talent (although one UConn decommit started as a redshirt freshman at South Florida and another one recently was offered by Baylor). Edsall and his staff do have the right to look at the players who committed to UConn when Diaco was running things and determine that those players either don't fit the scheme or don't have the talent or aren't as good of a fit as other players the Huskies are recruiting. There's not a painless way to navigate through this process especially when a coaching hire is made in late December and the staff is being finalized as the open recruiting period gets underway. Certainly this is not exactly the kind of press the UConn program is looking for especially with some national media types posting about it on social media. Ten years ago something like this would generate a little initial attention that would quickly subside. In this age of social media and blogs, the heat on UConn figures to be more sustained and more intense.<<

Perfectly balanced and well thought out take. Fuller and the REgister have moved so far ahead of the Courant on UConn football that it's sad.
 
Perfectly balanced and well thought out take. Fuller and the REgister have moved so far ahead of the Courant on UConn football that it's sad.

Yup... Fuller does a great job considering his double duty covering UConn WBB (even if his blogging grammar makes some here cringe).
 
I understand why the parents are pi$$ed. If this had happened to any of the posters here, you would be angry too. Based on the little I know, it appears we should have honored the offer and figured it out later.
 
This is on Diaco for offering kids who were clearly FCS level players.

Diaco.
Bingo. Part of the process of cleaning up Diaco's mess is making some tough decisions about incoming recruits. This is a kid who MONMOUTH can't find a spot for and he's supposed to be playing for a FBS school? He only gets late interest from URI? I feel for him, and hope he succeeds wherever he ends up. I hope RE handled the situation well, and the story about getting a call on New Years saying the scholarship was still his is a bit concerning, but this is sausage-making. It appears at some level he got a scholarship offer from Diaco that his play may not have merited.
 
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