Rutgers

[husky8273]

Big 10 no solution for their deeper issues

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/12/sports/rutgers-university-athletic-department-deficits.html?rref=collection/sectioncollection/sports&action=click&contentCollection=sports&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=3&pgtype=sectionfront

 

[Adios]

There's a school on the other side of NYC that might bring the Big Ten good publicity in NYC.

The Big Ten now values football AND basketball. Interesting.

 

[Ldandy]

There's a school on the other side of NYC that might bring the Big Ten good publicity in NYC.

The Big Ten now values football AND basketball. Interesting.

Unfortunately The B1G's Success is not dependent on Rutgers actually being relevant in sports. The conference got what it wanted out of their addition. Lots of cable subscribers, increased exposure for its brands in The NYC Market, and a greater access to potential students and student athletes. I wish they realized that they could have had the majority of this plus good sports with a Uconn Addition. Sadly the lure of those NJ Cable Dollars was too much to resist.

 

[huskypantz]

Unfortunately The B1G's Success is not dependent on Rutgers actually being relevant in sports. The conference got what it wanted out of their addition. Lots of cable subscribers, increased exposure for its brands in The NYC Market, and a greater access to potential students and student athletes. I wish they realized that they could have had the majority of this plus good sports with a Uconn Addition. Sadly the lure of those NJ Cable Dollars was too much to resist.

I would imagine that most schools would prefer that RU stink. They provide access to NJ recruiting without being a significant player in the recruiting scene.

 

[Adios]

Unfortunately The B1G's Success is not dependent on Rutgers actually being relevant in sports. The conference got what it wanted out of their addition. Lots of cable subscribers, increased exposure for its brands in The NYC Market, and a greater access to potential students and student athletes. I wish they realized that they could have had the majority of this plus good sports with a Uconn Addition. Sadly the lure of those NJ Cable Dollars was too much to resist.

There's also a huge market on the other side of the Hudson River.

 

[huskyrob1]

Unfortunately The B1G's Success is not dependent on Rutgers actually being relevant in sports. The conference got what it wanted out of their addition. Lots of cable subscribers, increased exposure for its brands in The NYC Market, and a greater access to potential students and student athletes. I wish they realized that they could have had the majority of this plus good sports with a Uconn Addition. Sadly the lure of those NJ Cable Dollars was too much to resist.

That's short sighted bull *, the big prize for the Big Ten is not a lukewarm at best NYC market or a little better recruiting in the state of NJ, but the entire northeast megalopolis which includes NYC and on up into Boston. Rutgers contributes zero to that end, if the Big Ten wants the Hudson valley, CT, RI, and Mass, the only way they get that is by inviting UCONN, and don't think the ACC isn't worried about that threat to their BC - Syracuse foothold.

 

[SAMCRO]

If the ACC was worried about the B1G grabbing UConn, they would have acted... they haven't.
The B1G got EXACTLY what they wanted with Rutgers. Delaney and Co. are laughing all the way to the bank. The cherry on top is they managed to get into the NYC market with a team that will never threaten the athletic hierarchy of the B1G's old guard. There is not a single regret in Chicago about this.

 

[billybud]

The ACC was concerned about the need to augment the top half of the conference in football. Create more watchable match ups that would lead to a better media deal and a network.

The Big Ten wanted to access New York-New Jersey cable boxes.

The Big 12 wanted to not share their money.

 

[huskyrob1]

If the ACC was worried about the B1G grabbing UConn, they would have acted... they haven't.
The B1G got EXACTLY what they wanted with Rutgers. Delaney and Co. are laughing all the way to the bank. The cherry on top is they managed to get into the NYC market with a team that will never threaten the athletic hierarchy of the B1G's old guard. There is not a single regret in Chicago about this.

Rutgers football and basketball ratings in the New York market are abysmal, whereas UCONN almost always wins it's time slot. There are even instances of UCONN's women's basketball games winning it's time slot over competition from NCAA men's basketball and football in the NYC market. Amazing but true. I don't think Delaney and company are laughing all the way to the bank about facts like that.

 

[Fishy]

The ACC was concerned about the need to augment the top half of the conference in football. Create more watchable match ups that would lead to a better media deal and a network.

The Big Ten wanted to access New York-New Jersey cable boxes.

The Big 12 wanted to not share their money.

So they grabbed Pitt and Syracuse.

You are no genius, my boy.

 

[Jimbo]

Rutgers football and basketball ratings in the New York market are abysmal, whereas UCONN almost always wins it's time slot. There are even instances of UCONN's women's basketball games winning it's time slot over competition from NCAA men's basketball and football in the NYC market. Amazing but true. I don't think Delaney and company are laughing all the way to the bank about facts like that.

The reason they're laughing to the bank has nothing to do with ratings. The Big Ten is raking in millions from all the NY/NJ cable customers whose packages include the Big Ten Network, regardless of whether any of those people actually tune in to watch a Rutgers game or not.

 

[SAMCRO]

Rutgers football and basketball ratings in the New York market are abysmal, whereas UCONN almost always wins it's time slot. There are even instances of UCONN's women's basketball games winning it's time slot over competition from NCAA men's basketball and football in the NYC market. Amazing but true. I don't think Delaney and company are laughing all the way to the bank about facts like that.

They don't care about RU ratings.... at all. They get paid regardless. This is about $$ and the B1G is stacking it as a result of the RU/UMd additions. I wish it wasn't the case, and it really was about actual eyeballs and results over the past 10-15 seasons, but unfortunately for us that has zero to do with it.

 

[huskyrob1]

They don't care about RU ratings.... at all. They get paid regardless. This is about $$ and the B1G is stacking it as a result of the RU/UMd additions. I wish it wasn't the case, and it really was about actual eyeballs and results over the past 10-15 seasons, but unfortunately for us that has zero to do with it.

Well if "they get paid regardless" my question would be who's paying them top dollar for a low rated sports product that nobody watches? If this is "all about $$" someone is losing big money by thinking Rutgers in the NY market is worth anything.

 

[Ldandy]

That's short sighted bull *, the big prize for the Big Ten is not a lukewarm at best NYC market or a little better recruiting in the state of NJ, but the entire northeast megalopolis which includes NYC and on up into Boston. Rutgers contributes zero to that end, if the Big Ten wants the Hudson valley, CT, RI, and Mass, the only way they get that is by inviting UCONN, and don't think the ACC isn't worried about that threat to their BC - Syracuse foothold.

You're missing the primary issue. It doesn't matter if Rutgers Games are watched by 2 million viewers or 2. The conference got paid handsomely by leveraging NJ Cable Boxes. They were also able to get BTN on a better tier cable package in NYC because of their inclusion. Uconn despite being light years ahead of Rutgers athletically can not deliver the raw numbers that RU Can. This has zero bearing on who is better or even more popular, only who can make them the most money.

 

[billybud]

So they grabbed Pitt and Syracuse.

You are no genius, my boy.

But grabbed over who? Pitt had finished in the Final AP Poll 19 times (including 2001, 2008) and Cuse 15 (including 8 times in the 90's and finishing #14 in 2001)...even BC had finished AP 14 times.....

Who else in the east adds that football background besides Louisville (finished AP 11 X)? Maybe Cincinnati who has finished AP four times.

 

[Fishy]

You don't solidify the top by adding teams to the bottom.

It was simply a money grab.

Not improving football, not bettering the world, it was simply taking money that was going somewhere else and redirecting it towards the ACC.

 

[huskyrob1]

You're missing the primary issue. It doesn't matter if Rutgers Games are watched by 2 million viewers or 2. The conference got paid handsomely by leveraging NJ Cable Boxes. They were also able to get BTN on a better tier cable package in NYC because of their inclusion. Uconn despite being light years ahead of Rutgers athletically can not deliver the raw numbers that RU Can. This has zero bearing on who is better or even more popular, only who can make them the most money.

That cannot go on indefinitely, the BTN is a content provider and as such they sell ad space, as does NY and NJ cable companies. If only two people are watching, then advertisers will only have to pay pennies for a 30 sec spot. Cable companies will sooner or later demand payment upfront to keep the BTN on in NJ and NYC, since they will be losing money because ad sales fell off a cliff. The same thing happened to MSG and the cable companies a few years ago. Cable boxes ultimately Don't matter, ratings do. Cable box packages are a dieing breed anyway, live streaming and ratings are the wave of the future.

 

[History Geek]

So they grabbed Pitt and Syracuse.

You are no genius, my boy.

Louisville over us was a football/anti-tobacco road basketball grab.

 

[whaler11]

That cannot go on indefinitely, the BTN is a content provider and as such they sell ad space, as does NY and NJ cable companies. If only two people are watching, then advertisers will only have to pay pennies for a 30 sec spot. Cable companies will sooner or later demand payment upfront to keep the BTN on in NJ and NYC, since they will be losing money because ad sales fell off a cliff. The same thing happened to MSG and the cable companies a few years ago. Cable boxes ultimately Don't matter, ratings do. Cable box packages are a dieing breed anyway, live streaming and ratings are the wave of the future.

I look forward to your posts where you argue the sun revolves around the Earth.

 

[huskyrob1]

I look forward to your posts where you argue the sun revolves around the Earth.

So enlighten me wise guy, I'm listening.

 

[whaler11]

So enlighten me wise guy, I'm listening.

Advertising is a drop in the bucket relative to affiliate fees.

The BTN collects just about zero in advertising outside of their 12-13 college football Saturdays.

This is all available on the internet via Google - you might want to spend some time there before you keep claiming the opposite of reality over and over.

Your take on how cable revenue works is from another planet.

 

[huskyrob1]

Advertising is a drop in the bucket relative to affiliate fees.

The BTN collects just about zero in advertising outside of their 12-13 college football Saturdays.

This is all available on the internet via Google - you might want to spend some time there before you keep claiming the opposite of reality over and over.

Your take on how cable revenue works is from another planet.

Well isn't the BTN pretty much national now? I mean if someone wants that they can get it whether they live in NYC or Bangor Maine. That being said, "affiliate fees" are what? The fees paid by the cable companies to the BTN for their programming?

 

[whaler11]

Well isn't the BTN pretty much national now? I mean if someone wants that they can get it whether they live in NYC or Bangor Maine. That being said, "affiliate fees" are what? The fees paid by the cable companies to the BTN for their programming?

I don't have the energy or desire to explain the entire industry to you - but yes affiliate fees are what cable companies pay the network for their subscribers that have the network in their package.

 

[BUConn10]

You don't solidify the top by adding teams to the bottom.

It was simply a money grab.

Not improving football, not bettering the world, it was simply taking money that was going somewhere else and redirecting it towards the ACC.

while also directly leading to th destruction of you're closest and most direct competitor, which is enough reason for them to make it happen alone. It's really a no brainer from a business standpoint, unfortunately the old Big East admin wasn't full of snakes like they had in ACC land, but snakes make for good business.

 

[billybud]

You don't solidify the top by adding teams to the bottom.

It was simply a money grab.

Not improving football, not bettering the world, it was simply taking money that was going somewhere else and redirecting it towards the ACC.

The ACC had solid reasons for who they took....not bettering the world, but solidifying the ACC.

They were a nine team league looking to a future where they would be fighting to stay relevant as a BCS league. Swofford knew that one of the Big East or the ACC might not survive. He did what any league would want their leadership to do. He built up the conference so that improved media contracts could be negotiated, and, eventually, a conference network established.

The ACC was a basketball first league and the changes in media value snuck up on them. Swofford realized that it was football that generated the majority of media dollars and he had to plan to change the direction of the conference.

The ACC first looked to Miami, who (with Shalala's insistence) wanted Syracuse as a price to move. While this was initially agreed upon, Virginia politics held the ACC expansion hostage for the ransom of adding VT.

Adding Syracuse at the next opportunity was the price of adding Miami.

Pitt had a special relationship with Notre Dame, having played them since 1930 (67 games). With the ACC's intent to lure Notre Dame into a relationship, adding Pitt was a strategic move.

The move of Notre Dame and their scheduling contract improved the media look in and enhanced the chance of a network.

Swofford had a plan to make sure that the conference would continue to compete. He executed that plan and the conference is much better off for it. That is all you can ask of leadership.