OT: Rutgers will require vaccinations for students fall '21

[Ts5034]

I was a little worried about getting the vaccine at first because of how rushed it was. I eventually decided to get it because I think it’s pretty obvious where things are headed for the near future. You will need proof of this vaccine to travel...plane, cruise, etc. You may need this vaccine to attend sporting events. MSG was only letting full vaccinated fans into the Big East Tourament, and I think its the same for Knicks games. Im no expert, but the fact they give you a card showing proof may be an indicator you will need that.

 

[MexicoHusky]

I wonder if other schools in the northeast will follow with a similar requirement. Interesting.

Rutgers to require students to be vaccinated to return to school in fall | ROI-NJ

Rutgers University will require the COVID-19 vaccine for students who are enrolled for the 2021 fall semester, the school announced Thursday. It is unclear if Rutgers is the first university to make such a requirement. Rutgers officials, in a release, said they felt assurances from the federal...

www.roi-nj.com

I'm curious what other organizations start requiring vaccination. Beyond the universities

 

[Chin Diesel]

Until full authorization it can't be required. That is the argument many military personnel are using when they refuse.

Partially true with the military. Some who are designated as critical personnel are required and some who are deploying are required. Amongst the ham and egger regular joe's in the states, it's still optional.

 

[huskymedic]

I was a little worried about getting the vaccine at first because of how rushed it was. I eventually decided to get it because I think it’s pretty obvious where things are headed for the near future. You will need proof of this vaccine to travel...plane, cruise, etc. You may need this vaccine to attend sporting events. MSG was only letting full vaccinated fans into the Big East Tourament, and I think its the same for Knicks games. Im no expert, but the fact they give you a card showing proof may be an indicator you will need that.

 

[Letsgohuskies11]

Rutgers? Vaccinations against Covid or STDs?

 

[fatlucy]

If they require then Rutgers should pay for it, any school for that matter.

They’re free

 

[Scoe]

They’re free

well good even better

 

[upstater]

And yet, there still may not be enough for people that age to even GET one. That age demographic will literally be THE LAST to get access to the vaccine

States have already opened up the queue for 16 and up. It's already happening.

 

[Kathy]

Partially true with the military. Some who are designated as critical personnel are required and some who are deploying are required. Amongst the ham and egger regular joe's in the states, it's still optional.

30% of them are refusing

 

[Fishy]

And yet, there still may not be enough for people that age to even GET one. That age demographic will literally be THE LAST to get access to the vaccine

I don’t think that will be an issue in the United States, but there may be some who cannot get it, especially foreign students. (Look how badly the EU is handing their vaccination rollout.)

They will have to carve out exemptions for people who will not get the vaccine for religious or health reasons.

But overall, I think maximizing the number of people vaccinated on a college campus is obviously a sound idea.

 

[HooperScooper]

Not sure if anybody bothered to read the article I linked. It isn't like all the other fully approved vaccines.

Of course not. Most of us barely read a post before responding. ?

Just read it.

Even though the FDA granted emergency use authorizations for the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines in December 2020, the clinical trials the FDA will rely upon to ultimately decide whether to license these vaccines are still underway and are designed to last for approximately two years to collect adequate data to establish if these vaccines are safe and effective enough for the FDA to license.

This means that an organization will likely be at odds with federal law if it requires its employees, students or other members to get a Covid-19 vaccine that is being distributed under emergency use authorization.

 

[Kathy]

I don’t think that will be an issue in the United States, but there may be some who cannot get it, especially foreign students. (Look how badly the EU is handing their vaccination rollout.)

They will have to carve out exemptions for people who will not get the vaccine for religious or health reasons.

But overall, I think maximizing the number of people vaccinated on a college campus is obviously a sound idea.

Religious reasons not getting a vaccine are not allowed in 5 states and in some the form needs to be notarized

Amid measles outbreak, New York closes religious exemption for vaccinations – but most states retain it

Most states in the U.S. allow children to be exempt from vaccinations due to religious concerns.

www.pewresearch.org

This despite the fact that there's really really only 2 religions in the US that prohibit vaccinations

Very Few Religions Expressly Prohibit Vaccination, Yet Confusion Remains | History of Vaccines

News outlets are reporting an increase in the cases of vaccine-preventable diseases – and some outbreaks – from Thailand and Indonesia due to religious concerns about vaccinations. In both countries, Muslim religious authorities have…

www.historyofvaccines.org

It has become the anti-vaxxers way of refusing. IMO more states should do away with it.

 

[Chin Diesel]

30% of them are refusing

Is that 30% of those who have the option to refuse or 30% overall?

Because if it's 30% overall that means for those who can refuse it, are refusing at a much higher rate than 30%.

 

[ClifSpliffy]

hehe 'red state college full enrollment' act. and oh, deep, deep, superdeep analysis of selective vaccine deployment shows, time and time again, a roughly 2 to 1 ratio, which coincidently is where we are, and expected to stay, plus or minus.
now, aboot this Supreme Court thing....

 

[BackAftaThis]

I was a little worried about getting the vaccine at first because of how rushed it was. I eventually decided to get it because I think it’s pretty obvious where things are headed for the near future. You will need proof of this vaccine to travel...plane, cruise, etc. You may need this vaccine to attend sporting events. MSG was only letting full vaccinated fans into the Big East Tourament, and I think its the same for Knicks games. Im no expert, but the fact they give you a card showing proof may be an indicator you will need that.

Not true for MSG. It’s now vaccine or PCR test or rapid test.

 

[Fishy]

Religious reasons not getting a vaccine are not allowed in 5 states and in some the form needs to be notarized

Amid measles outbreak, New York closes religious exemption for vaccinations – but most states retain it

Most states in the U.S. allow children to be exempt from vaccinations due to religious concerns.

www.pewresearch.org

This despite the fact that there's really really only 2 religions in the US that prohibit vaccinations

Very Few Religions Expressly Prohibit Vaccination, Yet Confusion Remains | History of Vaccines

News outlets are reporting an increase in the cases of vaccine-preventable diseases – and some outbreaks – from Thailand and Indonesia due to religious concerns about vaccinations. In both countries, Muslim religious authorities have…

www.historyofvaccines.org

It has become the anti-vaxxers way of refusing. IMO more states should do away with it.

If there’s even one person in the country who has a religious objection to it, it should be accommodated.

 

[ClifSpliffy]

If there’s even one person in the country who has a religious objection to it, it should be accommodated.

The Supreme Court, so, no mandate. of course, in those states well on the way to causing their own economic downfall... mask up!

 

[Kathy]

Is that 30% of those who have the option to refuse or 30% overall?

Because if it's 30% overall that means for those who can refuse it, are refusing at a much higher rate than 30%.

This was as of 2/21

About a third of troops have turned down the COVID-19 vaccine

More than 300,000 troops have received at least one dose so far.

www.militarytimes.com

 

[Kathy]

If there’s even one person in the country who has a religious objection to it, it should be accommodated.

A true religious objection yes but in my experience with exemptions those are far and few between. Most parents over the years have used it for their personal preference because no proof of beliefs are needed.

 

[Travelman6]

A true religious objection yes but in my experience with exemptions those are far and few between. Most parents over the years have used it for their personal preference because no proof of beliefs are needed.

I mean, religion and shots aside, how do you prove what YOU believe? It is not like someone else can dispute what you believe in your head.

 

[XLCenterFan]

good. make it required for everything. if you don't want to get it you can be banished to a lifetime of sitting in your house and thinking about how selfish and stupid you are.

Yes. This. If you don’t want to be a part of society, then move into the woods and live off the land where you don’t have to worry about these things.

 

[XLCenterFan]

A true religious objection yes but in my experience with exemptions those are far and few between. Most parents over the years have used it for their personal preference because no proof of beliefs are needed.

It’s odd that society is moving away from organized religion yet there are more and more looking to claim the religious exemption. It’s as if those that adhere to religion are becoming more zealous, or they are simply lying.

 

[Get a Job]

If there’s even one person in the country who has a religious objection to it, it should be accommodated.

This is an absurd and unworkable standard. Even Scalia thought so. From the National Law Review, with added bolding from me:

"In an opinion written by Justice Scalia, the Supreme Court held that the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment prohibited governments from singling out religious conduct for regulation, but did not require governments to create religious exemptions from all of its laws. As long as the law was generally applicable to all religious and non-religious individuals alike, and neutral toward religion, meaning not intended to interfere with religious practice, the law met the requirements of the Free Exercise Clause."

 

[HuskyHawk]

This was as of 2/21

About a third of troops have turned down the COVID-19 vaccine

More than 300,000 troops have received at least one dose so far.

www.militarytimes.com

Some young, fit, healthy people not really at any risk from the disease don't want to take an experimental vaccine using a novel delivery mechanism never before used on people. Not surprising. Many college students are in the same situation. They are probably fine, but I think people need to make that risk trade-off themselves.

I expect the widespread availability of the J&J vaccine to increase the numbers of younger people vaccinated. Military, healthcare, those who refused may be more open to that one.

 

[Kathy]

I mean, religion and shots aside, how do you prove what YOU believe? It is not like someone else can dispute what you believe in your head.

Prove you are a member of the only 2 religions that ban vaccines, other than that you don't have a leg to stand on. I know for a fact there are many anti-vaxxers without a strong religious belief for their stand who 'use' the religious exemption. There are kids in schools with valid medical reasons for not being vaccinated which is as it should be. But those that abuse the religious exemption put other children at risk.