Rutgers is content to be awful

[Palatine]

Rutgers does what it was intended to do..

1. Bring in $$$$ for the B1G by expanding the B1G into the largest media market in the nation.

2. Provides an outlet for B1G sports to be played in the NYC metro for the massive population of B1G alumni in the metro area.

3. Provides fertile recruiting territory for the rest of the B1G.


That was all the B1G ever asked of Rutgers, with the first point being the most prominent, and they delivered.

Rutgers is not bringing in big dollars. And the B1o already heavily recruited the area.

It was just a flat out stupid move.

 

[pj]

Rutgers is not bringing in big dollars. And the B1o already heavily recruited the area.

It was just a flat out stupid move.

Rutgers is a bridge to UConn. It was a brilliant move.

 

[ruthetiger]

Rutgers is not bringing in big dollars. And the B1o already heavily recruited the area.

It was just a flat out stupid move.

Well I'm not too sure about that. I don't know how much the Big Ten took in money wise this year, but I'm pretty sure it was more than what it normally takes in annually.

If the BT had taken in Texas, is would have been so much more. They wanted sets, they got sets. I'm not too sure how much they would've taken in as a whole had they chosen UCONN, but my guess is it would have been close to the $45mill they they're receiving now. Who knows. Had you guys been chosen, then maybe you would be taking NJ recruits, just like everyone else, but again, that's all conjecture. To say that would have been a phenomenal anomaly. Your hatred for all things Rutgers is very well understood Palpatine, but what would you have done if you were Delaney?

 

[ruthetiger]

Rutgers is a bridge to UConn. It was a brilliant move.

But what if the ACC grabs you first before that coveted BT invite, then what would you do? Do you take the offer thinking east coast supremacy because of the affiliation with the fruit and BC, as a way to hopefully go for the big money grab (in theory), or do you hold out if JD gives you the offer on a handshake agreement?

 

[CAHUSKY]

But what if the ACC grabs you first before that coveted BT invite, then what would you do? Do you take the offer thinking east coast supremacy because of the affiliation with the fruit and BC, as a way to hopefully go for the big money grab (in theory), or do you hold out if JD gives you the offer on a handshake agreement?

You immediately ask the B10 if an invite is pending and, if not, you give whoever provided the ACC offer an congratulatory kiss on the lips and a quick hand job in gratitude.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Run more efficiently? Uh, this is New Jersey, no chance on earth that happens.

Oh, the back and forth between Christie's PR team and the NJ teachers association over who agreed to what regarding his 'roadmap' is good reading while sipping some hard liquor.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

His mandate is to finish the merger. After that he can go.

Will Rutgers athletics survive the 5 to 10 years that it will take to merge Rutgers with UMDNJ under the leadership (or lack there of) Barchi and Hermann? If Christie leaves Trenton next year to run for President (if he does run, he better resign because he is already spending more that 50% out-of-state running his unofficial campaign), I bet they will follow him out the door quickly.

 

[ruthetiger]

Will Rutgers athletics survive the 5 to 10 years that it will take to merge Rutgers with UMDNJ under the leadership (or lack there of) Barchi and Hermann? If Christie leaves Trenton next year to run for President (if he does run, he better resign because he is already spending more that 50% out-of-state running his unofficial campaign), I bet they will follow him out the door quickly.

Pernetti was doing a pretty good job, sans Mike Rice, but the way he unceromoniously was shown the door by Christie and Barchi, set the AD back for a while. It seems that if it wasn't for both TP and Bob Mulcahy, there would've been no BT invite. That's something Barchi and Christie are extremely shortsighted about.

 

[Vowelguy]

Rutgers is like an African country 50 yrs ago.
Big 10 is the colonial power taking the resources.
Both have corrupt, incompetent governing.

 

[uconndogs]

B10 took Rutgers based on potential and bypassed UCONN even with its proven success. I've seen more stupid business moves, but not many.........

 

[ruthetiger]

B10 took Rutgers based on potential and bypassed UCONN even with its proven success. I've seen more stupid business moves, but not many....

Yes you're right, it's all about the sets. However, here's the question what are the several positive things that uconn would've brought to the table that you feel RU could never do?

It couldn't have been a bad move because it did prove to be successful this year in more ways than one.

 

[UConn990411]

Yes you're right, it's all about the sets. However, here's the question what are the several positive things that uconn would've brought to the table that you feel RU could never do?

It couldn't have been a bad move because it did prove to be successful this year in more ways than one.

Bring eyeballs with those additional TV sets. Let's start there.

(For the record, I thought the B1G's decision to add Rutgers made sense then ... and still does. But that doesn't change the fact that Rutgers athletics are a joke, and will probably get worse under Hermann.)

 

[Kolumbo]

Rutgers may be content to be awful and although it's a shame, it's RU style.
More frustrating is seeing all the P5 programs already grandfathered in. That is what really pisses me off about CR. What has Kansas State ever won? Mississippi State? Oregon State, Colorado...?

 

[billybud]

Rutgers adds to the academic prestige but waters down the football brand.

Kind of a reverse of Louisville....good academics, bad athletics.

 

[ruthetiger]

Bring eyeballs with those additional TV sets. Let's start there.

(For the record, I thought the B1G's decision to add Rutgers made sense then ... and still does. But that doesn't change the fact that Rutgers athletics are a joke, and will probably get worse under Hermann.)

I think your assessment is incorrect. It's not Hermann. Many folks are pointing the finger at her. There are bigger issues that people who live outside the state just don't get, or who are familiar with the program. Hermann is actually a pretty darned good AD, who is accessible. Same as TP, but in this case your scrutinization, through no fault of your own, is incorrect.

 

[ruthetiger]

Rutgers adds to the academic prestige but waters down the football brand.

Kind of a reverse of Louisville....good academics, bad athletics.

You csn say the same about uconn. Adds to the academic prestige, but brings down football. Although it will add to basketball prestige, the BT's 3rd most popular sport (by argument) is wrestling. We can all look at it through differing perspectives but...

 

[Kolumbo]

You csn say the same about uconn. Adds to the academic prestige, but brings down football. Although it will add to basketball prestige, the BT's 3rd most popular sport (by argument) is wrestling. We can all look at it through differing perspectives but...

You are overlooking the fact that UCONN is a proven national winner in multiple sports. There is reason to believe it can be very competitive in football despite its short D1 life while there is no evidence whatsoever RU will improve on its long history of, well, you know.

 

[UConn990411]

I think your assessment is incorrect. It's not Hermann. Many folks are pointing the finger at her. There are bigger issues that people who live outside the state just don't get, or who are familiar with the program. Hermann is actually a pretty darned good AD, who is accessible. Same as TP, but in this case your scrutinization, through no fault of your own, is incorrect.

Dude, she's awful.

I know PR is only one aspect of the job, but it's a pretty important one when you're the face of an athletic department. And Hermann has been a nightmare on that front pretty much since day one.

I have no idea why Rutgers fans insist on defending this hack. If I were a Rutty fan (I'm thankful I'm not), then I'd want my school to do better.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

I think your assessment is incorrect. It's not Hermann. Many folks are pointing the finger at her. There are bigger issues that people who live outside the state just don't get, or who are familiar with the program. Hermann is actually a pretty darned good AD, who is accessible. Same as TP, but in this case your scrutinization, through no fault of your own, is incorrect.

Yes, Rutgers does have issues, such as a President who was hired to manage the largest university merger in recent history (Rutgers and UMDNJ) who happens to have 0% experience in P5 athletics to a Governor whose entire focus is on the White House, to a very vocal and rebellious professors union who want nothing to do with UMDNJ nor Rutgers Athletics. But, Hermann has been a PR and leadership nightmare from the start. No one I know locally likes her and many are Rutgers alumni. Personally, while I am a UConn alumni living in Jersey, I have no disdain towards Rutgers outside of the friendly beat them on the field so I can tease my neighbors; but, I am absolutely peeved that my tax dollars help pay for her incompetence. Here are some of her professional nightlights at Rutgers to date...

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...hermann-rutgers-athletic-director-controversy

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...sky_remark_in_staff_meeting_sources_said.html

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2013/05/26/rutgers-ad-julie-hermann-controversy-video/2361437/

http://www.mycentraljersey.com/story/opinion/editorials/2014/09/23/hermann-rutgers/16067235/

 

[ruthetiger]

Yes, Rutgers does have issues, such as a President who was hired to manage the largest university merger in recent history (Rutgers and UMDNJ) who happens to have 0% experience in P5 athletics to a Governor whose entire focus is on the White House, to a very vocal and rebellious professors union who want nothing to do with UMDNJ nor Rutgers Athletics. But, Hermann has been a PR and leadership nightmare from the start. No one I know locally likes her and many are Rutgers alumni. Personally, while I am a UConn alumni living in Jersey, I have no disdain towards Rutgers outside of the friendly beat them on the field so I can tease my neighbors; but, I am absolutely peeved that my tax dollars help pay for her incompetence. Here are some of her professional nightlights at Rutgers to date...

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...hermann-rutgers-athletic-director-controversy

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...sky_remark_in_staff_meeting_sources_said.html

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2013/05/26/rutgers-ad-julie-hermann-controversy-video/2361437/

http://www.mycentraljersey.com/story/opinion/editorials/2014/09/23/hermann-rutgers/16067235/

To be perfectly fair, you live in NJ and are outraged that your tax dollars go toward the state flagship U, but you don't express the same outrage, when an NBA franchise is getting a basketball facility in SJ, and is asking the taxpayers to pay for it too? Actually they are. I believe in Ct, taxpayers support the flagship.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

To be perfectly fair, you live in NJ and are outraged that your tax dollars go toward the state flagship U, but you don't express the same outrage, when an NBA franchise is getting a basketball facility in SJ, and is asking the taxpayers to pay for it too? Actually they are. I believe in Ct, taxpayers support the flagship.

Where did I say that I am outraged that my tax dollars are going to the state flagship university of the state that I live in? Nowhere. I am outraged that my hard earned tax dollars are supporting the base salary, which happens to be $450,000 annually, of a AD who appears to be incompetent and ill-suited for such a high profile, public role. She has created one PR nightmare after another and has shown no leadership ability nor an ability to think before she opens her mouth. Rutgers needs a strong AD to lead the transition to the B1G, upgrade the facilities to B1G standards, and to make-up for the complete lack of P5 athletic experience that Rutgers current President has. Hermann is not that AD.

As for Connecticut, I was also outraged about Hathaway's tenure as AD at UConn; but, I had moved to Boston by that point in time so my tax dollars were not involed.

 

[CL82]

Will Rutgers athletics survive the 5 to 10 years that it will take to merge Rutgers with UMDNJ under the leadership (or lack there of) Barchi and Hermann? .

That's good question. I believe the answer is yes. Being a part of the B1G is a big enough life preserver that I doubt even Hermann can sink it.

 

[CL82]

Pernetti was doing a pretty good job, sans Mike Rice, but the way he unceromoniously was shown the door by Christie and Barchi, set the AD back for a while. It seems that if it wasn't for both TP and Bob Mulcahy, there would've been no BT invite. That's something Barchi and Christie are extremely shortsighted about.

What did Mulcahy have to do with it?

 

[uconndogs]

.......... However, here's the question what are the several positive things that uconn would've brought to the table that you feel RU could never do? ..................

A history of consistent success and national championships.

 

[CL82]

Yes you're right, it's all about the sets. However, here's the question what are the several positive things that uconn would've brought to the table that you feel RU could never do?

Well one thing comes immediately to mind:

Does it count as several if we've done it 18 other times?

 

[Kolumbo]

 

[junglehusky]

The UMDNJ-Rutgers merger was always going to be messy, but it's something that should have been done years ago. It very well may have helped Rutgers get into the B1G.

 

[ruthetiger]

Well one thing comes immediately to mind:

Does it count as several if we've done it 18 other times?

I'm sure basketball should've gotten you in hands down, but football drives the bus.

 

[uconndogs]

I'm sure basketball should've gotten you in hands down, but football drives the bus.

You are the first person to point that out.

Must have been all those conference championships and BCS bowls that got Rutgers in.

 

[ruthetiger]

You are the first person to point that out.

Must have been all those conference championships and BCS bowls that got Rutgers in.

We won none! And that's indesputable, but it was Delaney's call, and that of the members of the conference who put it to a vote. The question is, was uconn factored into the mix or the equation? If you guys were, then the choice would've been simple. Take uconn and Rutgers, and not take UMd, or take UMd and uconn and that's it. However, that wasn't the case. At the end of the day, it wasn't just baskrtball, and all other non revenue sports they were inspecting, they looked at the entire scope of things, being tv sets, potential, brand expansion, recruiting, demographics, and market. Some of which you have, but for some reason, and I don't know why, you guys came up short.

When we all found out the BT was adding, some of us all thought it would be fuND, and perhaps you, but from people in the know, you guys weren't factored into the equation at all. As Delaney once siad, he's looking at the next 100 years, and not a quick fix.