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No free pass from me. Game coaching is game coaching no matter what is going on around the team. Her substitution patterns were strange and the five seniors starting every game after senior night? A desperate move. I didn't see any offensive flow. Their (her) handling of Simmons early on caused on the floor friction between Simmons and the seniors, specifically Stricklen.

It should be interesting to see how it plays out this year with a very young team.


Many of those decisions were not Holly's, including starting line ups and substitution patters. She did not have total control of the reigns. This year will tell the story.
 
Here's a view from a Louisville blog Cardinal Couple

http://cardinalcouple.blogspot.com/

A contrast in schools on Ms. Russell's list. Louisville...rapidly growing in fan base and national recognition...with the state of the art KFC YUM! Center as their home base and top 10 pre-season ranked program for 2012-13 season. An athletic director and associates committed to Title IX and growth in all sports on campus. Often recognized as the "best college sports town" in America, the school plays in the toughest conference in women's basketball...the BIG EAST.

Then there is Tennessee. Rocked by the retirement of legendary Pat Summitt. One of the few schools that give a fair footing to women's basketball in a conference known for SEC football and Kentucky men's basketball. Still with a large attendance base but mired in controversy over the combining of the men's and women's athletic departments and dismissal of key people in women's sports. Once powerful, the Lady Vols torch doesn't burn quite as brightly as in past years.


 
Many of those decisions were not Holly's, including starting line ups and substitution patters. She did not have total control of the reigns. This year will tell the story.
So who made those decisions, if not Warlick? That is really a ridiculous situation, if true.
 
Here's a view from a Louisville blog Cardinal Couple

http://cardinalcouple.blogspot.com/

A contrast in schools on Ms. Russell's list. Louisville...rapidly growing in fan base and national recognition...with the state of the art KFC YUM! Center as their home base and top 10 pre-season ranked program for 2012-13 season. An athletic director and associates committed to Title IX and growth in all sports on campus. Often recognized as the "best college sports town" in America, the school plays in the toughest conference in women's basketball...the BIG EAST.

Then there is Tennessee. Rocked by the retirement of legendary Pat Summitt. One of the few schools that give a fair footing to women's basketball in a conference known for SEC football and Kentucky men's basketball. Still with a large attendance base but mired in controversy over the combining of the men's and women's athletic departments and dismissal of key people in women's sports. Once powerful, the Lady Vols torch doesn't burn quite as brightly as in past years.


If the author of that blog were any more of a homer, s/he'd look like this:

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Many of those decisions were not Holly's, including starting line ups and substitution patters. She did not have total control of the reigns. This year will tell the story.
Are you saying that Pat made those decisions? How did Pat do that while sitting quietly outside of the huddles? I never saws none other than Warlick direct players to the court.
 
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So, what exactly did you disagree with there?
Louisville is not "the best college sports town in America" or anything close to it.

The WBB program's national profile peaked in 2009. And to try to compare any school other than UConn's national profile to Tennessee's is just dumb.

Despite all of the turmoil experienced at Tennessee last season, they still won their conference tourney and made the Elite Eight, whereas Louisville handed St John's a game in the BET and then lost in the first round of the NCAA tourney.

The SEC has a long and storied tradition of excellence in WBB. With Texas A&M joining the conference, along with a number of other decent programs, to make the SEC out to be somehow a poor conference for WBB is ludicrous.

Basically, it doesn't make a ton of sense to characterize Louisville as a program on the rise and Tennessee as one on the decline when Russell's decision will go a long way towards determining if either is actually true.
 
Louisville is not "the best college sports town in America" or anything close to it.

The WBB program's national profile peaked in 2009. And to try to compare any school other than UConn's national profile to Tennessee's is just dumb.

Despite all of the turmoil experienced at Tennessee last season, they still won their conference tourney and made the Elite Eight, whereas Louisville handed St John's a game in the BET and then lost in the first round of the NCAA tourney.

The SEC has a long and storied tradition of excellence in WBB. With Texas A&M joining the conference, along with a number of other decent programs, to make the SEC out to be somehow a poor conference for WBB is ludicrous.

Basically, it doesn't make a ton of sense to characterize Louisville as a program on the rise and Tennessee as one on the decline when Russell's decision will go a long way towards determining if either is actually true.

So, the only SPECIFIC comment you disagree with is the "best college sports town in America" And the comment was "often recognized" not "was". Everthing else you posted was your disagreement with the over take on comparing the two schools, not the specific statements made.

Louisville
Rapidly growing in fan base and national recognition
State of the art KFC YUM! Center as their home base
Top 10 pre-season ranked program for 2012-13 season.
An athletic director and associates committed to Title IX and growth in all sports on campus.
Often recognized as the "best college sports town" in America
The school plays in the toughest conference in women's basketball...the BIG EAST.

Tennessee

Rocked by the retirement of legendary Pat Summitt.
One of the few schools that give a fair footing to women's basketball in a conference known for SEC football and Kentucky men's basketball.
Still with a large attendance base but mired in controversy over the combining of the men's and women's athletic departments and dismissal of key people in women's sports.
Once powerful, the Lady Vols torch doesn't burn quite as brightly as in past years.
I don't see much to argue with here. You lose a HOF coach and come off 4 years of no FF's and it certainly is a program in decline.
 
Louisville is not "the best college sports town in America" or anything close to it.

The WBB program's national profile peaked in 2009. And to try to compare any school other than UConn's national profile to Tennessee's is just dumb.

Despite all of the turmoil experienced at Tennessee last season, they still won their conference tourney and made the Elite Eight, whereas Louisville handed St John's a game in the BET and then lost in the first round of the NCAA tourney.

The SEC has a long and storied tradition of excellence in WBB. With Texas A&M joining the conference, along with a number of other decent programs, to make the SEC out to be somehow a poor conference for WBB is ludicrous.

Basically, it doesn't make a ton of sense to characterize Louisville as a program on the rise and Tennessee as one on the decline when Russell's decision will go a long way towards determining if either is actually true.

Seriously? I didn't know Louisville's win over MSU in the first round had been overturned. Did they still get to be edged by MD in MD in the second round or was that negated too? As noted, after losing two front court starters, there season looks pretty decent compared to UTenn's performance with the storied senior superstar class. And UTenn's win in a very poor SEC last season is something to chortle about?

I think what fans are saying is that the SEC's glory days are gone now, and for more than a decade have depended on almost entirely one team, whose status also appears to have taken a big hit. The B12 bypassed the SEC as the Big East's big competition years ago. The SEC has not had a team in the Final 4 since Candace Parker left school. It's fun to bury ourselves in the past sometimes, but we should not let it keep us from seeing reality of the current world of the WCBB.
 
Seriously? I didn't know Louisville's win over MSU in the first round had been overturned. Did they still get to be edged by MD in MD in the second round or was that negated too? As noted, after losing two front court starters, there season looks pretty decent compared to UTenn's performance with the storied senior superstar class. And UTenn's win in a very poor SEC last season is something to chortle about?

I think what fans are saying is that the SEC's glory days are gone now, and for more than a decade have depended on almost entirely one team, whose status also appears to have taken a big hit. The B12 bypassed the SEC as the Big East's big competition years ago. The SEC has not had a team in the Final 4 since Candace Parker left school. It's fun to bury ourselves in the past sometimes, but we should not let it keep us from seeing reality of the current world of the WCBB.
Oh my bad- beating a MSU program that didn't even belong in the tourney was a tremendous accomplishment.

If we want to talk about the SEC, how about we start with the in-state program that has been outperforming Walz's since Angel left? You may have heard of them, even if the blogger thinks they only have a men's program. Throw in Vandy, Arkansas, LSU, Georgia and South Carolina, not to mention Texas A&M and Tennessee, and yeah, the SEC is a fine women's BB conference.
 
So, the only SPECIFIC comment you disagree with is the "best college sports town in America" And the comment was "often recognized" not "was". Everthing else you posted was your disagreement with the over take on comparing the two schools, not the specific statements made.

Louisville
Rapidly growing in fan base and national recognition
State of the art KFC YUM! Center as their home base
Top 10 pre-season ranked program for 2012-13 season.
An athletic director and associates committed to Title IX and growth in all sports on campus.
Often recognized as the "best college sports town" in America
The school plays in the toughest conference in women's basketball...the BIG EAST.

Tennessee

Rocked by the retirement of legendary Pat Summitt.
One of the few schools that give a fair footing to women's basketball in a conference known for SEC football and Kentucky men's basketball.
Still with a large attendance base but mired in controversy over the combining of the men's and women's athletic departments and dismissal of key people in women's sports.
Once powerful, the Lady Vols torch doesn't burn quite as brightly as in past years.
I don't see much to argue with here. You lose a HOF coach and come off 4 years of no FF's and it certainly is a program in decline.
A Louisville homer stating that the LVs are in decline would be like the Swiss celebrating that China fell to second place in the medals standings in the Olympics. In other words, saying that Tennessee is in decline from a position Louisville has never sniffed is pretty silly.

Characterizing Tennessee's athletic department as "mired in controversy" is a gross overstatement. Some decisions were made, others didn't like it, and there's little evidence that any of that is going to impact that actual program results. A Johnny-come-lately program's fan not-so-subtly questioning Tennessee's relative dedication to Title IX is even more ludicrous.

Oh by the way: those big-time CFB and basketball programs have afforded sec schools a ton of resources and television coverage, even for other sports. How many Louisville games were televised vis a vis Tennessee?

The Big East is a premier WBB conference because of UConn and Notre Dame. Louisville is not a bad program, but no one would be calling he Beast a premier WBB conference because of their presence.

Basically, I'm getting kind of tired of all the excuses for why Louisville hasn't done squat since Angel graduated. I don't care about your recruits. I don't care about your basketball arena that you basically give away tickets to in order for "fans" to attend WBB games. I don't care about anything other than results, and by the way, you have a program in your own state that has been killing you in that category since Angel left. Until you do something better than getting absolutely curb stomped by UConn three times en route to an also-ran finish against a weak field, don't compare yourselves to a program with eight national championships and two consecutive trips to the Elite Eight, even in a time of relative turmoil.

My god, this blogger just made me defend the honor of the LV program. I feel dirty.
 
A Louisville homer stating that the LVs are in decline would be like the Swiss celebrating that China fell to second place in the medals standings in the Olympics. In other words, saying that Tennessee is in decline from a position Louisville has never sniffed is pretty silly.

So you have to come from a more successful program for a fan to be critical of another one?

Characterizing Tennessee's athletic department as "mired in controversy" is a gross overstatement. Some decisions were made, others didn't like it, and there's little evidence that any of that is going to impact that actual program results. A Johnny-come-lately program's fan not-so-subtly questioning Tennessee's relative dedication to Title IX is even more ludicrous.

Just ask the Tennessee women's fan about this one. They have been hammering the AD for months. I admit I have no clue about Title IX for any school.

Oh by the way: those big-time CFB and basketball programs have afforded sec schools a ton of resources and television coverage, even for other sports. How many Louisville games were televised vis a vis Tennessee?

Good question. Do you have that answer?

The Big East is a premier WBB conference because of UConn and Notre Dame. Louisville is not a bad program, but no one would be calling he Beast a premier WBB conference because of their presence.

That is kind of harsh. Louisville women have been a solid contributor to BE basketball.

Basically, I'm getting kind of tired of all the excuses for why Louisville hasn't done squat since Angel graduated. I don't care about your recruits. I don't care about your basketball arena that you basically give away tickets to in order for "fans" to attend WBB games. I don't care about anything other than results, and by the way, you have a program in your own state that has been killing you in that category since Angel left. Until you do something better than getting absolutely curb stomped by UConn three times en route to an also-ran finish against a weak field, don't compare yourselves to a program with eight national championships and two consecutive trips to the Elite Eight, even in a time of relative turmoil.

Wow...two consecutive trips to the EE. Whoopdie doooo! Right now I would take UL's current situation to UT's.

My god, this blogger just made me defend the honor of the LV program. I feel dirty.

Go take a shower, you will feel better.
 
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Oh my bad- beating a MSU program that didn't even belong in the tourney was a tremendous accomplishment.

If we want to talk about the SEC, how about we start with the in-state program that has been outperforming Walz's since Angel left? You may have heard of them, even if the blogger thinks they only have a men's program. Throw in Vandy, Arkansas, LSU, Georgia and South Carolina, not to mention Texas A&M and Tennessee, and yeah, the SEC is a fine women's BB conference.
Indeed your bad. You dislike Louisville so much you don't even have the courtesy to refrain from giving the Cardinals a Ball-State version one-and-out, dump on that win (don't most first round opponents of decent teams have few real credentials for being among the top 64 teams?) and then go all SECophant over a conference that plainly has not done diddly in the last four years. No FF teams. Yes they had a total of 4 teams in the Elite 8 during the last four years, and all were routed with the closest loss being by 14 points. If that is success to you and something that you think excites the young college recruits out there, you're welcome to the opinion and are to be commended for being so understanding of bad performances. I know you are going to try to somehow assign Texas A&M's success to the SEC, but it wasn't won there, and the Aggies have not played a game in that conference yet. Oh, and yes, Louisville has had more Elite-8 and FF wins (2) than all those SEC teams during the last four years combined (0).

The truth is, Walz guided Louisville to an NC game appearance in recent times by running through much higher ranked teams, and that is one thing that does stick in recruits' memory. He also did it largely behind a star player that many of us here on the BY criticized for being wild, selfish, and out-of-control. Schimmel is no McC0ughtry, and at least currently is a few levels below, but for years McCoughtry also was not McCoughtry (the star), until Walz persuaded her to buy into the system. Walz is not starting out with the talent Geno has recruited, but the Almighty help Geno if he again has a season like 1999 when he lost some key starters and team went out early, because there are going to be posters saying he's unimpressive and what have you done for us lately?
 
I didn't think anyone believes that Jeff Walz isn't a good coach, but it was popular in some corners to promote him as a great coach at least partly because it was a way of diminishing Frese. I've seen posters here suggest that he would be a good successor to Geno. That I just don't see. I see a guy who can maintain a Top 15 program, but I don't see greatness. And I would say the same about his counterpart at Kentucky.
 
Trying to post an honest opinion on Tenn. Warlick had PHS looking over her shoulder all of last year. But right now, she is doing every thing right. Hired two excellent assitant coaches, will probably have a top five recruiting class. So it is a wait and see situation on how well she coaches. If the LVs reach the elite 8, then i would say she would be successful.
 
Trying to post an honest opinion on Tenn. Warlick had PHS looking over her shoulder all of last year. But right now, she is doing every thing right. Hired two excellent assitant coaches, will probably have a top five recruiting class. So it is a wait and see situation on how well she coaches. If the LVs reach the elite 8, then i would say she would be successful.
I don't understand the impact of Pat looking over her shoulder. Can you explain? They better add a couple of more topped ranked recruits to get to #5.
 
Trying to post an honest opinion on Tenn. Warlick had PHS looking over her shoulder all of last year. But right now, she is doing every thing right. Hired two excellent assitant coaches, will probably have a top five recruiting class. So it is a wait and see situation on how well she coaches. If the LVs reach the elite 8, then i would say she would be successful.

I wasn't impressed with Warlick's 'presence' in a number of post-game pressers last season, where the drumbeats of "players not executing the game plan" or "not fighting hard enough" etc. etc. were an all too common refrain. She seemed a bit lost in the lights. It kept begging the question, "Why?" Why were game plans not being executed, over and over again? Especially with a team that had some senior leaders that she had helped coach for 4 yrs. Why were they not living up to the LV legacy (per quotes from players and coaches, too). These may not have been 'her girls' 100% from a recruiting standpoint, but it's not like Warlick was brought in from the outside last year. And has others have noted (more inside Vol nation than out) her game management and substitutions seemed pretty wacky at times. For someone with as many years on the sidelines as she has, for the same program, she did not look like someone who was ready for prime time at a top echelon WBB program, at least in a capacity as Head Coach. Hiring a couple of good assistants and landing recruits is good--but these are necessary, not sufficient, to compete for NCs as you point out ("...how well she coaches"). In the pros, these are GM-type things, not so much HC-type things. She needs to coach them up more effectively than they have been in the last couple of years.

She will have an easier time this year as the unquestioned leader without PHS on the sidelines, and with a summer to look ahead to a new chapter in LV hoops. But as others have noted, I doubt she will be making wholesale changes to the way things are done there in Knox, particularly with Pat still on campus. With any change, there is an opportunity for the new coach to put their imprint on how things are done, but this boils down to personal characteristics more than how to structure practices, or X's and O's, and this is where I think she falls short when compared to top coaches like PHS, Geno, Muffet, TV and a few others. Not as far as her being or not being a high quality person which I'm sure she is, but in terms of the intangibles you need to be a great leader. But who knows? Maybe she does have it and just needs some breathing room to make the team her own. She will probably get a few years to show it and will benefit from a lack of humongous expectations this year at least. As you point out, E8 would probably be considered a rousing success in 2012-13.
 
A Louisville homer stating that the LVs are in decline would be like the Swiss celebrating that China fell to second place in the medals standings in the Olympics. In other words, saying that Tennessee is in decline from a position Louisville has never sniffed is pretty silly.

Characterizing Tennessee's athletic department as "mired in controversy" is a gross overstatement. Some decisions were made, others didn't like it, and there's little evidence that any of that is going to impact that actual program results. A Johnny-come-lately program's fan not-so-subtly questioning Tennessee's relative dedication to Title IX is even more ludicrous.

Oh by the way: those big-time CFB and basketball programs have afforded sec schools a ton of resources and television coverage, even for other sports. How many Louisville games were televised vis a vis Tennessee?

The Big East is a premier WBB conference because of UConn and Notre Dame. Louisville is not a bad program, but no one would be calling he Beast a premier WBB conference because of their presence.

Basically, I'm getting kind of tired of all the excuses for why Louisville hasn't done squat since Angel graduated. I don't care about your recruits. I don't care about your basketball arena that you basically give away tickets to in order for "fans" to attend WBB games. I don't care about anything other than results, and by the way, you have a program in your own state that has been killing you in that category since Angel left. Until you do something better than getting absolutely curb stomped by UConn three times en route to an also-ran finish against a weak field, don't compare yourselves to a program with eight national championships and two consecutive trips to the Elite Eight, even in a time of relative turmoil.

My god, this blogger just made me defend the honor of the LV program. I feel dirty.



I made a couple of changes so you could see how I feel.

Basically, I'm getting kind of tired of all the excuses for why Louisville Tenn hasn't done squat since Angel Parker graduated. I don't care about your recruits. I don't care about your basketball arena that you basically give away tickets to in order for "fans" to attend WBB games.

JMO but just because someone doesn't root for a school with as illustrious a past as Tenn does not preclude them from recognizing another program in decline. It's not about position on the totem pole, it's about which direction you are moving.
 
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IMHO, the TN pundits haven't taken Hollly's training wheels off yet. I saw probably 8 or 9 LV games last year, and it looked like the Keystone Cops. No chemistry, no knowledge of what the battle plan was at any time..... except for that one good home game vs. Kentucky, when they looked great. No settling on starting lineup, until late in season, when (would love to know who decided this one) it was deemed that the 5 seniors were the best bet for starters.

Pat stayed out of the game situations......... I guess what I expected from HW was more authority, a lot more order, and for her to stand on the courage of her convictions. If I was Simmons, I would transfer out. First I am starting then I am not, I get into a game for a couple of minutes, then I am out.

Iwould prefer not to hear that upon being given the keys to the kindom, that she said " Oh but I feel uncomfortable because this whole situation is up in the air" It wasn't The only unknown was when Pat would step down officially.

So maybe she will show differently this year. But come on, she has 30 yrs of coaching experience. As of this point, I wold rather have Mulkey, McCallie, Walz, or Mitchell to name a few.
 
to doggydaddy. did you ever try to get your work done with your boss looking over your shoulder, questioning every move you made. that was the situation with Warlick last year. And yes, Tenn will almost for sure sign a top five class. Tenn is the strong hunt for 5 top 20 players, so i think Tenn will sign at least two more.
 
IMHO, the TN pundits haven't taken Hollly's training wheels off yet. I saw probably 8 or 9 LV games last year, and it looked like the Keystone Cops. No chemistry, no knowledge of what the battle plan was at any time..... except for that one good home game vs. Kentucky, when they looked great. No settling on starting lineup, until late in season, when (would love to know who decided this one) it was deemed that the 5 seniors were the best bet for starters.

You can not use the injury excuse for Louisville and fail to recognize the injury situation at TN. Line ups were a revolving door mainly because of injuries. Had Kelley Cain remained injury free, she would have been the starting center and that would not have changed. Had Vicki Baugh not been injured, she would not have been subject to being in and out of the line ups, while playing sometimes and not playing at all on other occassions. She was day to day for her entire senior year and not even that available the prior year. Had TN not had the injury with Brewer, Glory, a power forward and not remotely a center, would not have played one minute at the center spot, but she spent most of her time at that position due to injuries. She would have played the 4 exclusively. Had Cait and Avant not gone through injuries so severe that they had to totally abandon the sport they love, Shekinna doesn't spend one minute at the point guard spot and neither does Meighan. These aren't excuses. These are facts and to ignore that these things changed the dynamics of TN is just plain ludicrous. So yes, the line ups changed, but had all of those talented players remained healthy, then other talented players would not have been playing out of position and been shuffled through the line ups as often as they were.

Pat stayed out of the game situations......... I guess what I expected from HW was more authority, a lot more order, and for her to stand on the courage of her convictions. If I was Simmons, I would transfer out. First I am starting then I am not, I get into a game for a couple of minutes, then I am out.

Pat absolutely did not stay out of the games. She was coaching on the bench, including providing input to Holly and the staff. Pat was still the head coach and Holly made it no secret that TN was still Pat's team. She stated on several occassions that Pat was her boss and it was still Pat's team. Holly no longer has to coach in that manner. Not only that, Dean and Mickie did not report to Holly and if you don't think this makes a difference, then you're kidding yourself. Now, the assistants are there because they were chosen by Holly and they report to Holly. She's the boss. As for Simmons, she knew exactly why she wasn't playing. Coaching doesn't just happen during game and Pat has always stated that playing time is earned in practice. There's plenty of dialogue between coach and players outside of just the games and Simmons knew exactly what the situation was. However, by seasons end, Simmons was extremely happy with Holly and her playing time. Watch the post game interview from the Kansas game and it's quite obvious. Sometimes players need tough love. Great coaches recognize when players have something else deep within them that can make them much better players and great coaches will do everything they can to get it out of them. It's called developing player and UConn fans know all about this. Perhaps if Shoni got some tough love, she'd stop jacking up shots, run the offense, and utilize her teammates.

Iwould prefer not to hear that upon being given the keys to the kindom, that she said " Oh but I feel uncomfortable because this whole situation is up in the air" It wasn't The only unknown was when Pat would step down officially.

So maybe she will show differently this year. But come on, she has 30 yrs of coaching experience. As of this point, I wold rather have Mulkey, McCallie, Walz, or Mitchell to name a few.

Mulkey has earned her stripes, but what exactly have the others accomplished? Louisville had 4 good years, but what Louisville calls a good year, TN considers a failure. That alone should define the difference in the programs.



And sorry to the UConn fans. I apologize, if I have offended you by putting this on your board.
 
to doggydaddy. did you ever try to get your work done with your boss looking over your shoulder, questioning every move you made. that was the situation with Warlick last year. And yes, Tenn will almost for sure sign a top five class. Tenn is the strong hunt for 5 top 20 players, so i think Tenn will sign at least two more.
Are you seriously trying to tell me that Holly would make a decision and Pat would question is? I don't believe it. Where did you hear this?

Which 5?
 
Are you seriously trying to tell me that Holly would make a decision and Pat would question is? I don't believe it. Where did you hear this?

Which 5?


I think what you're missing is that it was still Pat's team, no matter how you sliced it. The players were playing for Pat. The game plan belonged to Pat. The discipline came from Pat. The praise they were seeking was from Pat. Pat was the head coach, just not the one yelling out the in game instruction, but it was still her game plan. Going forward, the players will play for Holly. Holly will set the game plans and Holly will work to execute her own game plan. So no, Pat didn't question Holly, because Holly was there executing what Pat wanted done. Even in the huddles, Holly would gather with Pat first and then go over to the players with instructions. Sometimes, during time outs and half time, Pat was still the one delivering the message. Going forward, Holly will deliver her own message. I'm sure it will be similar, but I'm also betting some things will be unique.
 
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to doggydaddy. did you ever try to get your work done with your boss looking over your shoulder, questioning every move you made. that was the situation with Warlick last year. And yes, Tenn will almost for sure sign a top five class. Tenn is the strong hunt for 5 top 20 players, so i think Tenn will sign at least two more.
There have been a lot of SEC and UTenn apologists spouting all kinds of "almost for sure" and maybe a chance of a possibility type of profound thoughts about how the SEC and UTenn will be on the rise (we're probably talking about a close Elite-8 loss here) in the next few years, but can you give us something that is a little more concrete and a higher-summit response than that basically Pat won't be cracking her clipboards over her assistants' shoulders and that they won't be cowering behind the bench anymore and that maybe a new HC can make a statement that won't have the entire Vol nation coming down on her if it deviates one iota from Pat's Pristine Path? You can't win anymore with antiquated strategies, and I just see Holly as having too big a shadow over her. I liked her as a player, and I kind of hope she can revive UTenn into a challenger among the top ten, but the orange girl's burden down at the rocky mountain horrified show will be a lot to bear. Saying that you were inhibited because you were scared of your former HC is not a good sign. I would much prefer to have a Chris Dailey coaching me, who would be quite willing to grab an ex-boss by the collar and yank him off the court when he got too excited. Not that Geno ever gets too excited on the sidelines.
 
I think what you're missing is that it was still Pat's team, no matter how you sliced it. The players were playing for Pat. The game plan belonged to Pat. The discipline came from Pat. The praise they were seeking was from Pat. Pat was the head coach, just not the one yelling out the in game instruction, but it was still her game plan. Going forward, the players will play for Holly. Holly will set the game plans and Holly will work to execute her own game plan. So no, Pat didn't question Holly, because Holly was there executing what Pat wanted done. Even in the huddles, Holly would gather with Pat first and then go over to the players with instructions. Sometimes, during time outs and half time, Pat was still the one delivering the message. Going forward, Holly will deliver her own message. I'm sure it will be similar, but I'm also betting some things will be unique.
That is SO different than Pat questioning Holly.
 
That is SO different than Pat questioning Holly.


I agree. I also think the bigger thing being missed here is what the players were dealing with, as in their mental psyche. Personally, I never took into account the mental toll taken on the players until I recently watched that ESPY video. Let's just say, my eyes were opened. Those players were emotionally worn out.
 
I didn't think anyone believes that Jeff Walz isn't a good coach, but it was popular in some corners to promote him as a great coach at least partly because it was a way of diminishing Frese. I've seen posters here suggest that he would be a good successor to Geno. That I just don't see. I see a guy who can maintain a Top 15 program, but I don't see greatness. And I would say the same about his counterpart at Kentucky.

Basically agree, but the difference is when Walz's team had a shade of a chance to make a run for an NC appearance during the last 4 years, they took it and ran with it as far as they could go. Does that make him a great coach? I don't know? He plainly needs a higher quality of recruit, but he has shown that when anything close to it is available, he can take it to the last level. Only six coaches have coached in an NC game the last 4 years (3 BE, 2 B12, 1 Pac-10), and for Walz to be among that select list to me at least shows something. And his teams don't go diving out in the first round of the NCAAs, unlike what some on the BY try to push as his legacy. He's got a solid record (10-4 in NCAAs) with Louisville that most coaches would love, unless they live in SEC dreamland. But please give me a report on all those SEC coaches who make Walz a laughingstock there. 71% winning percentage where it counts (not the SEC tourney, no matter how much you worship it), I'll take it.
 
Justavisitor.... You have made some pretty noble points, good stuff..... I will beg off the Holly bashing..... good luck to her..... I hope she has some success at the HC position this year.
Your point of Shoni is good also with respect to jacking the ball up all the time.... Simmons of course is good at that.

Maybe Pat was involved in games..... almost every time I saw her..... she was mute..... if she was part of TO huddles, she was listening not talking.... again the camera was not on her 24-7.... and I did see her occasionally bark out a ref..... but usually it was silence I saw..... all of last year, I just saw a dishelveled environment.... how many times in the PG news conference did I hear the players say "We just didn't execute" and you wonder ...who is holding these players' feet to the fire?

Anyway, good luck to the LVs this coming year..... oh, and I hope I don't hear this coming spring upon reflection "Well it was tough having Pat around as HC Emeritus", etc..... HW it is time to make your mark!
 
doggydaddy, it is common knowledge that tenn is in the top two for russell and davis, and probably in the top 5 for scaife,williams,reimer. also pursuing cooper,dahlman,small,harper
 
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