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Roster of 12?

So a smaller roster. In years past Geno was comfortable with a top rotation of 7 or 8 players that he said were reliable. Could it be that he felt he was not able to coach 15 players properly and it took away from a completely prepared team?

I was at an open practice in late November. The rotation players got plenty of reps.

Ice and Morgan were out. Gandy was on the floor on the male practice player team. Caroline, Ayanna and Kelis got very few reps in the scrimmage situations. The nine rotation payers got all the work they needed, at least on that occasion.

The ninth player was Jana, and she was a starter the season before.

Even in blowouts he rarely went beyond nine until the fourth quarter. One can argue over whether the starters should have averaged a few more minutes per game but Geno's priority was to keep them rested.
 
We are going to seriously regret not getting anyone in the portal.
Why? Who exactly should we have gotten and whose minutes were they going to negatively impact? Will UConn’s regret be that they don’t win a national championship or are you now expecting a losing season?
 
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Why? Who exactly should we have gotten and whose minutes were they going to negatively impact? Will UConn’s regret be that they don’t win a national championship or are you now expecting a losing season?
Of course not. Is that the only way you think we could have a regrettable season? We have to have a losing record? Anything else and we call it what? A success?

This team is thin. Yes, we have some great players. Sarah, KK, Blanca. And we have some really good, possibly future stars. Kayleigh, Allie, Olivia. And we even have some solid bench players. Jana, Ashlyn and, hopefully, Morgan. I have zero expectations for Kelis, Gandy and the Popovich kid. Maybe the latter will surprise me.

But if you don't see holes in there, I don't know what to tell you. And if you don't see how vulnerable we are to injuries, I REALLY don't know what to tell you. But the bottom line is this, there are not 5 players on that list that can beat the top 5 of either USC or SC. And SC's second 5 would crush our second 5. Hell, their end of the bench 5 would give our second 5 a good game. If Vukosa turns into freshman Tina Charles and either Kayleigh or Allie can hit the three in a physical game, MAYBE we can compete with SC and USC. Better hope those 6 stay healthy.
 
Why? Who exactly should we have gotten and whose minutes were they going to negatively impact? Will UConn’s regret be that they don’t win a national championship or are you now expecting a losing season?
My personal preferences would have been Skylar Forbes, Marquette, SF - 15.5 ppg, 4.9 rpb, 1 year eligibility left and Lara Somfai, Stanford, PF - 10.8 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 3 years eligibility left. I liked Forbes as a 6'3" PF and Somfai, as a 6'3" SG. Not worried about any negative impact as we lack size and strength and have a clear need for both rebounding and shooting. UConn will never have a losing season as long as they have the Big East to feast on.
 
My personal preferences would have been Skylar Forbes, Marquette, SF - 15.5 ppg, 4.9 rpb, 1 year eligibility left and Lara Somfai, Stanford, PF - 10.8 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 3 years eligibility left. I liked Forbes as a 6'3" PF and Somfai, as a 6'3" SG. Not worried about any negative impact as we lack size and strength and have a clear need for both rebounding and shooting. UConn will never have a losing season as long as they have the Big East to feast on.
Forbes essentially plays the same position as Sarah & Blanca, and if Morgan is back healthy next year, she also plays that position. Hence my question, “Whose minutes were they going to negatively effect?”

Somfai is a forward/center who would have been interesting, except she was never really available. Somfai was out of the country back in Hungary, entered the portal on the first day it was open and immediately announced she was transferring to TCU. The deal was cut beforehand. No visits. No shopping around.

The only other player who would have been interesting for the Huskies imo, would have been Jordan Lee, a big, athletic guard/wing. Unfortunately, she’s heading to SC.

Woof’s original post suggested that UConn would seriously regret not getting anyone from the portal. I absolutely disagree. Next season UConn will have a very talented roster, lead by the consensus NPOY. The team should make it back to another FF. The Huskies may or may not win another championship. If not winning a national championship is cause for serious regret, someone’s value system is seriously broken.
 
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Woof’s original post suggested that UConn would seriously regret not getting anyone from the portal. I absolutely disagree.
As we used to say in Boston, “The bird is the word.” In this case, “12 is the good word.”
 
Well, it's not the lack of talent. The problem with 12 is it's cutting it close if bad things happen. Remember just a couple of years ago UConn had 3 straight years of bad things. So bad we had to pluck a kid (a good kid) out of the Azores who was destined for a JuCo in Florida. Even this past year we had a lot of kids sitting on the bench, but luckily, we started with 15. Another player (best available) not to fill a need necessarily, but as insurance, would be nice.
 
Of course not. Is that the only way you think we could have a regrettable season? We have to have a losing record? Anything else and we call it what? A success?

This team is thin. Yes, we have some great players. Sarah, KK, Blanca. And we have some really good, possibly future stars. Kayleigh, Allie, Olivia. And we even have some solid bench players. Jana, Ashlyn and, hopefully, Morgan. I have zero expectations for Kelis, Gandy and the Popovich kid. Maybe the latter will surprise me.

But if you don't see holes in there, I don't know what to tell you. And if you don't see how vulnerable we are to injuries, I REALLY don't know what to tell you. But the bottom line is this, there are not 5 players on that list that can beat the top 5 of either USC or SC. And SC's second 5 would crush our second 5. Hell, their end of the bench 5 would give our second 5 a good game. If Vukosa turns into freshman Tina Charles and either Kayleigh or Allie can hit the three in a physical game, MAYBE we can compete with SC and USC. Better hope those 6 stay healthy.
Doom and gloomers like you seem to pop out of the woodwork every year, and yet UConn under Geno and his staff have made it to 17 of the last 18 final fours and 25 overall. They have reached that goal despite devastating injuries to star players and they have beaten more talented teams along the way.

You mention 2 teams that might beat UConn next season: USC and SC. They might and they might not. I’m OK with that. If you are not that’s your problem.
 
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Well, it's not the lack of talent. The problem with 12 is it's cutting it close if bad things happen. Remember just a couple of years ago UConn had 3 straight years of bad things. So bad we had to pluck a kid (a good kid) out of the Azores who was destined for a JuCo in Florida. Even this past year we had a lot of kids sitting on the bench, but luckily, we started with 15. Another player (best available) not to fill a need necessarily, but as insurance, would be nice.
And yet, in 2 of those 3 years UConn made it back to the FF. If UConn has 12 healthy players at the start of the season, with as much talent as this team will have, they’ll be just fine.
 
Well, it's not the lack of talent. The problem with 12 is it's cutting it close if bad things happen. Remember just a couple of years ago UConn had 3 straight years of bad things. So bad we had to pluck a kid (a good kid) out of the Azores who was destined for a JuCo in Florida. Even this past year we had a lot of kids sitting on the bench, but luckily, we started with 15. Another player (best available) not to fill a need necessarily, but as insurance, would be nice.
How many players do you think UConn had daily last season? Morgan and Ice sat the season out. Carol was only able to participate on "good" days.

So 12. How many players on the roster now?
 
How many players do you think UConn had daily last season? Morgan and Ice sat the season out. Carol was only able to participate on "good" days.

So 12. How many players on the roster now?
You can also add Gandy who after playing some “mop up” minutes in 1 game was basically redshirted for the season. So 11 this past season.
 
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You can also add Gandy who after playing some “mop up” minutes in 1 game was basically redshirted for the season. So 11 this past season.
Exactly! Plus having too many players I think can hinder the development of players...would loved to have seen Kelis play more meaningful minutes, not just during mop-up time but as loaded as our team was, she sat.
 
And yet, in 2 of those 3 years UConn made it back to the FF. If UConn has 12 healthy players at the start of the season, with as much talent as this team will have, they’ll be just fine.
12 players, 3 of which haven't played, 1 of which has been out a year with injury, 1 of which only played mopup, add in a couple who are coming off marginal performances and you just might see a reason for concern.
 
Exactly! Plus having too many players I think can hinder the development of players...would loved to have seen Kelis play more meaningful minutes, not just during mop-up time but as loaded as our team was, she sat.
Regarding Kelis, she was talented enough to play meaningful minutes and/or start on most of the D1 teams in the nation. But on UConn she was the 6th guard on the depth chart. It’ll be much better this coming season. Kelis will get to battle Jovanna for the 5th guard spot on the depth chart………..😒
 
And yet, in 2 of those 3 years UConn made it back to the FF. If UConn has 12 healthy players at the start of the season, with as much talent as this team will have, they’ll be just fine.
I think the people like me that are arguing for more than 12 could be doing so for a variety of reasons. It doesn't necessarily mean we are facing a disaster, we won't be very good with 12, or we can't get far in the tournament even with a setback or two.

What we accomplished in those injury plagued years was pretty amazing all things considered, but remember we had at least one game where we had the legal minimum of 7 players available, and I believe that was with a roster of 14. If we had the same number of injuries that year with a roster of 12 some games would have been forfeits.

So there is the argument of injury insurance even if the incoming player has little change of beating out a rotation player. Having said that, there were at least a half dozen bigs, mostly 4's that could have cracked the rotation in my opinion. Yes that might have affected someone's playing time who is viewed as pretty good or potentially good like say Morgan.

I know I am in the minority on this point, but many were interested in Lee, despite the fact that if she came, the minutes of proven high level players like Ash, Allie, Kayleigh would be reduced and put Kellis and Jovanna even further from relevance. But when the discussion turns to the bigs, when we don't even have one natural backup 4, some seem concerned about how it might affect say Morgan's potential playing time, even though the 4 is not her best position, and despite her not yet achieving the level of success of many of our guards, and coming off an injury that lingered far longer than original expected.

Blanca should be the starter at the 3, play her natural position for most of the year, and not need to be used at the 4 this year. Hopefully IMO the same is true for Sarah not being needed at the 5, or Ash at the 3. I don't mind having a very good small ball option, and using it when it is the best choice, but having very good traditional lineups, used only part of the time last year, and a viable "big" option are important too.

What is a big option? Olivia at the 4, Sarah at the 3 and Blanca at the 2. Geno of course has favored the small ball options, at least partly because he has more confidence in his guards than his centers, and he may feel the same way this year if Jana doesn't show significant improvement. but a player like Brown, Carlton, or O'Neal would have given Geno the option to play Sarah quite a bit at the 3, and go big more often.

Having said that I realize it would be a pretty hard sell to any of those players to come here when they see the national player of the year ahead of them on the depth chart. Using Sarah quite a bit at the 3 would probably be a necessary part of the discussion to have them even consider Uconn. We also probably couldn't justify much compensation for a 13th player as well, and that factor might argue for smaller rosters.

In the WNBA that was certainly true. With a salary cap and the option of having either 11 or 12 players, many teams chose 11 because they would rather spend that spots salary to upgrade a player in the rotation. Maybe the same thing is happening in college basketball.

I am disappointed we didn't get a 4, but realize getting a rotation worthy player behind Sarah was a pretty big challenge. I also think just an injury insurance backup 4 was worth pursuing as well. In a perfect world for most seasons I think 13 would be a good number. A starter with a designated backup for each position in a rotation of 10, with three injury backups or development players, one guard, one wing, and one big, But of course that never happens in real life.
 
I think the people like me that are arguing for more than 12 could be doing so for a variety of reasons. It doesn't necessarily mean we are facing a disaster, we won't be very good with 12, or we can't get far in the tournament even with a setback or two.

What we accomplished in those injury plagued years was pretty amazing all things considered, but remember we had at least one game where we had the legal minimum of 7 players available, and I believe that was with a roster of 14. If we had the same number of injuries that year with a roster of 12 some games would have been forfeits.

So there is the argument of injury insurance even if the incoming player has little change of beating out a rotation player. Having said that, there were at least a half dozen bigs, mostly 4's that could have cracked the rotation in my opinion. Yes that might have affected someone's playing time who is viewed as pretty good or potentially good like say Morgan.

I know I am in the minority on this point, but many were interested in Lee, despite the fact that if she came, the minutes of proven high level players like Ash, Allie, Kayleigh would be reduced and put Kellis and Jovanna even further from relevance. But when the discussion turns to the bigs, when we don't even have one natural backup 4, some seem concerned about how it might affect say Morgan's potential playing time, even though the 4 is not her best position, and despite her not yet achieving the level of success of many of our guards, and coming off an injury that lingered far longer than original expected.

Blanca should be the starter at the 3, play her natural position for most of the year, and not need to be used at the 4 this year. Hopefully IMO the same is true for Sarah not being needed at the 5, or Ash at the 3. I don't mind having a very good small ball option, and using it when it is the best choice, but having very good traditional lineups, used only part of the time last year, and a viable "big" option are important too.

What is a big option? Olivia at the 4, Sarah at the 3 and Blanca at the 2. Geno of course has favored the small ball options, at least partly because he has more confidence in his guards than his centers, and he may feel the same way this year if Jana doesn't show significant improvement. but a player like Brown, Carlton, or O'Neal would have given Geno the option to play Sarah quite a bit at the 3, and go big more often.

Having said that I realize it would be a pretty hard sell to any of those players to come here when they see the national player of the year ahead of them on the depth chart. Using Sarah quite a bit at the 3 would probably be a necessary part of the discussion to have them even consider Uconn. We also probably couldn't justify much compensation for a 13th player as well, and that factor might argue for smaller rosters.

In the WNBA that was certainly true. With a salary cap and the option of having either 11 or 12 players, many teams chose 11 because they would rather spend that spots salary to upgrade a player in the rotation. Maybe the same thing is happening in college basketball.

I am disappointed we didn't get a 4, but realize getting a rotation worthy player behind Sarah was a pretty big challenge. I also think just an injury insurance backup 4 was worth pursuing as well. In a perfect world for most seasons I think 13 would be a good number. A starter with a designated backup for each position in a rotation of 10, with three injury backups or development players, one guard, one wing, and one big, But of course that never happens in real life.
The worst year for injuries was the 2022-23 season, when UConn brought in Ines from a FL JC as a backup pg, several games into the season, due to serious depth problems. That was the only season in the past 18 that UConn did not make it to the FF.

There are several ways for a basketball team to deal with the injury bug. One is to bring in more warm bodies. Another is to improve your team’s overall strength and conditioning. After the 2020-2021 season, UConn addressed what I believe was the one major shortcoming of the program by hiring UConn grad Andrea Hudy as their strength and conditioning coach. Hudy had earned a reputation as one of the top strength coaches in the nation working with both MBB & WBB at Kansas & TX.

It took a couple seasons for Hudy to work her magic. But leading into this season she has worked tirelessly at her craft, creating a group of converts including Paige, Azzi and others who have dramatically improved their overall conditioning through strength training, diet, etc. It is noteworthy that not a single player in UConn’s 9 player regular rotation missed more than a game or so due to injury, and by the last game of the season, UConn had 14/15 players available to play if needed.
 
How many players do you think UConn had daily last season? Morgan and Ice sat the season out. Carol was only able to participate on "good" days.

So 12. How many players on the roster now?
Do you have homeowners/renters' insurance? If you're under 65, do you have healthcare insurance? If you have a relatively new car, do you carry collision insurance? Why? Hopefully you didn't need these insurances last year.

Insurance can be a good thing. It wouldn't hurt UConn to add 1 for roster insurance.
 
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Do you have homeowners/renters' insurance? If you're under 65, do you have healthcare insurance? If you have a relatively new car, do you carry collision insurance? Why? Hopefully you didn't need these insurances last year.

Insurance can be a good thing. It wouldn't hurt UConn to add 1 for roster insurance.
I have homeowners insurance. But I only need one policy. So who’s to say that players like Gandy, Kelis and even Morgan are not UConn’s insurance for next season? Geno’s regular rotation is going to be 8-9 players at best.

How many insurance policies does UConn need? Unless they change the rules, UConn can only play 5 players at a time, and they currently have 12 players on the roster, the same number as teams in the W, who play more games that are far more physical.

Furthermore, I don’t see any player left in the portal who can play meaningful minutes for UConn as part of the regular rotation. So at this point in time, we’re just talking about a warm body for mop up minutes, unless Geno is looking at another overseas player who might be able to contribute.
 
You can also add Gandy who after playing some “mop up” minutes in 1 game was basically redshirted for the season. So 11 this past season.
Kelis averaged 5.7 minutes and DNP in 8 games, so, essentially, it was 10 players
 
Do you have homeowners/renters' insurance? If you're under 65, do you have healthcare insurance? If you have a relatively new car, do you carry collision insurance? Why? Hopefully you didn't need these insurances last year.

Insurance can be a good thing. It wouldn't hurt UConn to add 1 for roster insurance.

How many American players want to come UConn as 'insurance." "You sit on the bench and if 6 of the good players get hurt we will let you in to spell the remaining good players for a few moments."

That said, they are at 12 players right now. There may well be late European Bettencourt-types to use up roster spots. Players who want access and exposure to this country to create benefits down the line (like Bettencourt herself).

Btw: Insurance is the pooling of risk. Maybe the Big East can bring in a half-dozen of these Euro types and save every team from having to fill their roster with warm bodies that won't play. Then if one league member suffers an excess of injuries they can just bring in a warm body without having had to waste time on these types of rarely-used players.
 
12 players, 3 of which haven't played, 1 of which has been out a year with injury, 1 of which only played mopup, add in a couple who are coming off marginal performances and you just might see a reason for concern.
You’re making my head explode. UConn has more experienced players from their regular rotation coming back 7/9 than any other top team in WBB, including USC & SC. The Huskies also have the #1 HS post player as well as an incredibly talented combo guard from the European professional leagues coming in. Has everyone already forgotten about the impact Blanca made in her first season. Jovanna has the same potential. Finally, UConn has the consensus NPOY coming back.

Geno does not want another 15 player roster, which he made clear at the beginning of this past season. It strikes me that the “chicken little” naysayers on this board just can’t get over the loss to SC and that somehow that 1 loss made UConn’s entire season a failure. What’s more, there was no player(s) in the portal that would guarantee UConn championship #13 this coming season.

Two years ago when MBB lost in the Big Dance for the first time in 3 seasons, Dan Hurley was apoplectic until Geno gave him the following advice, “If your team’s success or failure depends on winning a national championship, then you should quit right now.” Some UConn fans would do well to consider Geno’s remarks.
 

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