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Richie Springs - Anyone else think we should give him some run Saturday?

UcannUconn said:
Hurley has been wrong before. Remember Whaley was the only scholarship player on the roster he wasn’t playing until he got in and became our best forward.
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Sometimes those guys are hungrier than the guys who play. When we see a listless, lazy effort, I can't imagine 2 minutes for Springs will do us any great harm. In general, I don't think Hurley substitutes often enough, especially in the first half. I expect him to become a contributor eventually, especially with no Josh or Whaley next year. But Hurley is allergic to playing his bigs. I keep wondering why he keeps recruiting all this length and never using it.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Sometimes those guys are hungrier than the guys who play. When we see a listless, lazy effort, I can't imagine 2 minutes for Springs will do us any great harm. In general, I don't think Hurley substitutes often enough, especially in the first half. I expect him to become a contributor eventually, especially with no Josh or Whaley next year. But Hurley is allergic to playing his bigs. I keep wondering why he keeps recruiting all this length and never using it.
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Funny how different our perspectives are on this, I feel the opposite about Hurley. I think he's been giving way too many minutes to our bigs this year and it's the main reason our offense is being held back the past month
 
navery12 said:
Funny how different our perspectives are on this, I feel the opposite about Hurley. I think he's been giving way too many minutes to our bigs this year and it's the main reason our offense is being held back the past month
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This. We have trouble scoring the ball. Defense and rebounding have been positives for the team, recently we have seen that slide in the wrong direction, but overall those are our strengths. By all accounts Richie would be a rebounder, we do not know about his offense at this level yet so I would imagine that is why he is not getting minutes.
 
navery12 said:
Funny how different our perspectives are on this, I feel the opposite about Hurley. I think he's been giving way too many minutes to our bigs this year and it's the main reason our offense is being held back the past month
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Our bigs are better than our guards. That's going to be true next year as well with Akok and Johnson plus Sanogo. Josh is a better player than Adams, and much better than Polley. I don't consider Polley a big. Despite his size, he is completely ineffective inside the 3 point arc, he's just a guard who lacks guard skills.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Our bigs are better than our guards. That's going to be true next year as well with Akok and Johnson plus Sanogo. Josh is a better player than Adams, and much better than Polley. I don't consider Polley a big. Despite his size, he is completely ineffective inside the 3 point arc, he's just a guard who lacks guard skills.
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The difference is Akok and Johnson are capable of stretching the floor, they're 4's being played at the 4 so it's not hurting the team. I get we have to play Whaley and Sanogo together sometimes which I'm fine with, but Whaley is playing 54% of his minutes at the 4 this year so it's not a surprise he's struggling. It's also hurting Sanogo, his numbers are significantly better when Whaley is off the floor than when they play together
 
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navery12 said:
The difference is Akok and Johnson are capable of stretching the floor, they're 4's being played at the 4 so it's not hurting the team. I get we have to play Whaley and Sanogo together sometimes which I'm fine with, but Whaley is playing 54% of his minutes at the 4 this year so it's not a surprise he's struggling. It's also hurting Sanogo, his numbers are significantly better when Whaley is off the floor than when they play together
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I simply don't believe a 4 needs to be able to hits 3s. Midrange jumpers, sure. But they need to be able to defend and score inside. Whaley can do some of that. Clearly Akok and Johnson have more talent to be impact 4s than Whaley has. As much as we love his effort most of the time, Whaley should be a bench player for a Big East team. But we have no real options at the 4 with Akok out. People here think offense only, defense and rebounding matter more at that position.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I simply don't believe a 4 needs to be able to hits 3s. Midrange jumpers, sure. But they need to be able to defend and score inside. Whaley can do some of that. Clearly Akok and Johnson have more talent to be impact 4s than Whaley has. As much as we love his effort most of the time, Whaley should be a bench player for a Big East team. But we have no real options at the 4 with Akok out. People here think offense only, defense and rebounding matter more at that position.
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Then we just simply disagree on what a 4 is in basketball in 2021. I personally don't understand how anyone can watch the defense play 10 feet off Whaley and dare him to shoot and not see an issue there. No argument that defense at the 4 is just as important, and playing Whaley at the 4 is taking him out of situations where he's in the pick and roll playing his best. Martin is ideal 4 so yes we have the perfect guy still just sitting right there to be used
 
HuskyHawk said:
Sometimes those guys are hungrier than the guys who play. When we see a listless, lazy effort, I can't imagine 2 minutes for Springs will do us any great harm. In general, I don't think Hurley substitutes often enough, especially in the first half. I expect him to become a contributor eventually, especially with no Josh or Whaley next year. But Hurley is allergic to playing his bigs. I keep wondering why he keeps recruiting all this length and never using it.
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'especially with no Josh or Whaley next year.'
are you certain aboot that? if there is room, i would welcome them.
and howcum our recent slide and d oddly mirrors josh's greatly reduced playing time?
inquiring minds want to know.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Sometimes those guys are hungrier than the guys who play. When we see a listless, lazy effort, I can't imagine 2 minutes for Springs will do us any great harm. In general, I don't think Hurley substitutes often enough, especially in the first half. I expect him to become a contributor eventually, especially with no Josh or Whaley next year. But Hurley is allergic to playing his bigs. I keep wondering why he keeps recruiting all this length and never using it.
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There is only one area this year we actually don’t lack at: rebounding.
everything else is screwing us, but we rebound on both ends.

I don’t see how springs solves those issues? He’s rebounding help when that’s bottom of list we need help at?
 
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navery12 said:
Then we just simply disagree on what a 4 is in basketball in 2021. I personally don't understand how anyone can watch the defense play 10 feet off Whaley and dare him to shoot and not see an issue there. No argument that defense at the 4 is just as important, and playing Whaley at the 4 is taking him out of situations where he's in the pick and roll playing his best. Martin is ideal 4 so yes we have the perfect guy still just sitting right there to be used
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I agree and that is why I like to see Sanogo/Whaley at the 5, Martin 4, Jackson 3, Gaffney 2, and Cole 1. That is clearly our best lineup and Martin will still rebound at the 4.
 
3rdbass said:
I agree and that is why I like to see Sanogo/Whaley at the 5, Martin 4, Jackson 3, Gaffney 2, and Cole 1. That is clearly our best lineup and Martin will still rebound at the 4.
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agreed. plus, this season's not going anywhere fast. at some point we should start playing our young guys as much as possible in lineups mirroring what we might see next year. that includes not playing another C alongside sanogo

for that reason i'm all for letting springs run up and down the court to grab some boards. new lineup: cole/gaff/aj/martin/sanogo with springs 6th man. no more BA, polley, whaley, or carlton. good bye forever.

we'll be a better team for it next year
 
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bendm said:
agreed. plus, this season's not going anywhere fast, so at some point we should start playing our young guys as much as possible in lineups mirroring what we might see next year. that includes not playing another C alongside sanogo

for that reason i'm all for letting springs run up and down the court to grab some boards. new lineup: cole/gaff/aj/martin/sanogo with springs 6th man. no more BA, polley, whaley, or carlton. good bye forever
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We will have to see BA, Whaley and Polley for backup minutes. We need give the starting 5 a blow. I wish Carlton could get minutes but he is clearly our 3rd option at center but if Whaley keeps regressing even when just used at the 5 I say give Carlton Whaley backup minutes. I have no thoughts on Springs but he did look very active on the boards in his limited minutes.
 
bendm said:
then it looks like we all agree whaley isn't a 4 after all because he can't hit anything but the backboard
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He's shooting 3's better than Polley I believe. Has a decent midrange jumper. When he has fallen off is scoring around the basket.
 
HuskyHawk said:
He's shooting 3's better than Polley I believe. Has a decent midrange jumper. When he has fallen off is scoring around the basket.
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idk what you're watching. the past 4 games, which is over a quarter of the season, he's averaging under 6 ppg on under 30% shooting and he's gone 2/6 from 3

33% from 3 might be better than polley but it's still meaningless given his low volume and how bad polley has been
 
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August_West said:
There is only one area this year we actually don’t lack at: rebounding.
everything else is screwing us, but we rebound on both ends.

I don’t see how springs solves those issues? He’s rebounding help when that’s bottom of list we need help at?
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Rim protector. If we are going to keep running Hurley's crazy defensive scheme, the 4 has to be a rim protector. Martin isn't. Akok is out. Jackson can block shots but isn't strong enough to hold position as a 4.
 
bendm said:
idk what you're watching. the past 4 games, which is over a quarter of the season, he's averaging under 6 ppg on under 30% shooting. saying he's shooting better than polley is meaningless given how bad polley has been
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Convenient use of "the last 4 games". Those are probably the least relevant games. He is shooting 48%, 3rd best on the team. He is .364 from 3. Second best to Martin (on low volume of course he isn't a shooter).
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But he defends, blocks shots (2.8 per game) and rebounds. He has been in a complete funk the last few games, except moments where he seems like himself. Not sure why this is about Whaley. I said he's a backup at this level. We don't have a healthy, quality 4 on this roster.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Convenient use of "the last 4 games". Those are probably the least relevant games.
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huh? they are the most recent games and therefore the most relevant. it's a significant sample size demonstrating a clear trend
 
bendm said:
huh? they are the most recent games and therefore the most relevant. it's also a significant sample size so they demonstrate a clear trend
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Almost the whole team has played like crap the last 4 games. I think they are the least reflective games of what the team can be. And of the type of player Whaley is. Even so, in the last game he lead the team in offensive rating (aside from Josh who played 6 minutes.

Not sure what you think the answer is until Akok and Bouk come back.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
Convenient use of "the last 4 games". Those are probably the least relevant games. He is shooting 48%, 3rd best on the team. He is .364 from 3. Second best to Martin (on low volume of course he isn't a shooter).
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But he defends, blocks shots (2.8 per game) and rebounds. He has been in a complete funk the last few games, except moments where he seems like himself. Not sure why this is about Whaley. I said he's a backup at this level. We don't have a healthy, quality 4 on this roster.
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Actually we do in Martin. He is a little undersized but this is were he actually seems to do well when playing this position. He definitely is rebounding from the position. We need to play smaller as that is our most talented line up right now. Whaley should be a backup to Sanogo right now.
 
Kenny11 said:
Hurley has called him the best offensive rebounder he’s ever coached after Tristin Thompson. I don’t expect him to light up the world if he gets some playing time but I would like to see what he has.
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I love the fact that we can have thirty threads criticizing everything Hurley says, and asking how we can believe anything he says, and then we get a thread where he says something nice about an unused sub despite clear evidence that the coach doesn't think he's good enough to help now, and then someone says why aren't we playing him, coach compliments him.

I'll take the consistent position I always take -- pay no attention to what a coach says, and rely upon what you see and don't see happening on the field and court.
 
I predict Richie getting plenty of minutes next year...but, if we can throw him for a few minutes at a time now when we have foul trouble issues, we need to do it... It will only help him seeing live game action now...
 
HuskyHawk said:
Almost the whole team has played like crap the last 4 games. I think they are the least reflective games of what the team can be. And of the type of player Whaley is. Even so, in the last game he lead the team in offensive rating (aside from Josh who played 6 minutes.

Not sure what you think the answer is until Akok and Bouk come back.
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right idk what we're arguing about. there is no answer until/unless bouk gets back so i wanna play the guys that will be here next year. playing 2 centers at the same time is hamstringing sanogo's development
 
Kenny11 said:
Hurley has called him the best offensive rebounder he’s ever coached after Tristin Thompson. I don’t expect him to light up the world if he gets some playing time but I would like to see what he has.
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Besides what as IW done lately? Don't get me wrong I like IW but how would it hurt to give RP some minutes. It is not like we are giving up a lot of offense
 
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