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I missed the start of the game, but a question is Solo Ball the starter/majority minutes at 3 ?
Meaning that both Stewart and Ross are behind him and possibly behind McNeeley (cuz Alex is playing 34 mins in BE games)?

I thought Stewart was poised to be the breakout star, but clearly it is Solo. It could become both if Solo plays more 2.

Is there an offensively potent "Death by 3's" possible lineup of 5 shooters with Diarra(or Nowell), Mahaney, Ball, McNeeley and Karaban?!

Karaban at the 5 like he did in emergencies last year is also a way to get McNeeley more burn at 4 and open up minutes for Stewart/Ross.
 
Really nice to see the guy backs on the court. They got a taste of live bullets in front of a large crowd. That is always helpful even though both sides were sloppy.The real value is that Hurley gets a chance to do a little eval on everyone. I'm pretty sure he was NOT pleased with the number of offensive rebounds URI got.

That said, this game was essentially meaningless. A sample size of one. Drawing any conclusions of the performance of the team or individuals is spotty at best. I enjoyed watching Hurley. The first half play must have been driving him crazy but he didn't betray it on the sideline and he still managed to give the crowd a Hurley moment. Onward.
All due respect, you are lost. Last summer we faced French and Spanish semi pro Players and all of us came away thinking that the team was better than the year before. It mattered. This RI team was better competition. And we trounced them. With a new team. Of course it freaking matters to all the new pieces that this year’s UConn team can demolish teams like the two different teams from the last two years.
 
"if you judge a fish by ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing its stupid".

This is bizarre. Samson is being judged based on the specific skills needed to be successful on a basketball court. At least as far as I've seen. The folks complaining about his dunks are weirdos... dunks are good. And the hedging isn't a problem either--Hurley is putting pressure on him now to see how much we can create havoc without sacrificing the overall defense.

I think it's pretty simple and fans are making it too complicated. Samson is good. He's not going to be great until he figures out the rebounding and fouling.

By the same token Reed is also good. He will also not be greatuntil he figures out the things that plagued him last year: turnovers and shooting %.

Whichever of the two does the best job shoring up their individual weaknesses is going to be the starter getting 25 mins a game.
 
The only area that wasn't really exposed was how UConn can defend vs a high quality PG. URI doesn't seem to have a true PG. I'm sure HD and SB can put effective pressure on good to elite PGs but I guess we will just have to wait and see.
Their point guard is very good. Averaged 20 for albany last year. He was out with a concussion
 
Only examining the box score, my takeaways are:
  • Seems like a lot of games last year that were closer at halftime and then we blow them out in the second half
  • Seems like better D in the second half, though we were called for a ton of fouls
  • 29 assists on 41 field goals for us is ludicrous
  • The centers look...about what you'd expect. Johnson efficient on few attempts, but 1 rebound and 4 fouls isn't going to cut it. Reed pretty inefficient, but a better floor game (10 boards, 0 fouls, 3 assists). Glad to see few turnovers for either.
  • Not much movement on the Mahaney vs. Ball for the starting SG slot -- both with excellent games.
  • Hard to complain about 9 assists to 2 turnover for Diarra as starting PG. Hope his shooting is more like last year than the year before.
  • Pretty clear that Nowell is the low man on the totem pole. I thought he'd be in line for more minutes, but looks like that Ball, Mahaney, and even Ross are ahead of him on the depth chart. I expect Ross will get squeezed out of significant minutes and the rest will be our 8 man rotation.
Nowell is going to be a force. That was not in the box score. He has a beautiful stroke and will demand pt.
 
It's not a weight/strength thing, it's an instincts thing and Johnson, bluntly, doesn't have them. It was a bit unrealistic to expect him to take a leap in that area in a few months.
Let’s give samson a chance, it was one scrimmage. Reed was awful in the first half and much better in the second half. A lot of new pieces so lets not overreact to one practice game
 
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Is there an offensively potent "Death by 3's" possible lineup of 5 shooters with Diarra(or Nowell), Mahaney, Ball, McNeeley and Karaban?!

Karaban at the 5 like he did in emergencies last year is also a way to get McNeeley more burn at 4 and open up minutes for Stewart/Ross.
This lineup would be deadly shooting wise but my goodness they might not get a stop either.
 
That’s one thing I’m worried about too against a team with better athletes. Who’s going to be the guy to break guys down off the dribble if things get muddied up.

Believe Mahaney showed good ability there. Didn’t see much from anyone else in this game outside of 1 drive by Solo and a few by Stewart.
I didn’t see that speed from Mahaney. He’s crafty, but he’s not a press breaker.
 
So yea, I admit to being a Samson Stan. So all the incessant complaining about his deficiencies irk me. Granted, I do agree with some of them. But in true internet message board fashion, I think it gets exaggerated.

What follows is a long post, but I am critically re-watching the game possession-by-possession for objective analyses of SJ criticism points. There;'s a TL/DR summary at the end for ADHD folks. I'll get to the rest of the game later.

Here's narrative summary of his first rotation (from 20:00 to 15:18). Note: O1, D1, etc is offensive possession #1, defensive possession #1, etc. RebO = having a legitimate opportunity for a rebound on the play.


O1-Comes out to 3pt line. Sets 3 screens, McNeeley drives & scores while SJ still at 3pt line. No RebO

D1-On JB. High-hedges. Recovers. Does effective seal-out of JB. 3pt shot from corner clanks opposite side long, Ball with RB. No RebO.

O2-Offensive set again takes SJ out high. Enters lane when Ball shoots [and hits] corner 3. JB boxes him out since already has position established. No RebO

D2-Picks up JB at foul line. JB gets position on left side, seals. SJ re-establishes position between JB & basket. Ball reverses & play stops (? Kick ball or foul…announcers never say). Inbounds play…pass goes to JB at FT line. He passes off , rest of play SJ/JB are inconsequential. URI makes the shot. No RebO

O3-SJ set 2 high screens including the 1 that frees AK for a made 3. No RebO

D3-SJ sets up guarding JB on the blocks. Diarra steals pass at top of key. Takes it to hoop for a layup.

D4-URI pushes pace. Guard beats McNeeley down court for a layup. SJ hustles back, alters shot/may have gotten a finger on ball to block shot, missed layup URI. SJ momentum takes him under hoop, JB cleans up rebound. McNeeley fouls JB on putback. JB makes 1st FT, misses 2nd. SJ boxes out on left side OK, McNeeley gathers miss on right side. No RebO

O4-Classic beautiful UConn set, SJ sets a couple high screens, then PnR, SJ open, but Diarra lob is right over the hoop; SJ can’t dunk it without committing a goaltend.

D5-URI pushes pace after missed lob. SJ has to recover from under hoop; is ~5 yds behind all players, URI sets at top of key; McNeeley is under hoop. Left side has 2 open URI players at 3pt line. SJ runs out to cover one. JB flashes from FT line to hoop; SB rotates down to cover him (setting up a mismatch). SJ guards URI player in corner; he lobs it into JB, who gets fouled on the layup attempt by Diarra who rotates down to help SB. Nothing SJ does wrong here. JB makes the And-1. No RebO.

O5-Set starts. SJ sets effective screen at FT line to free McNeeley who misses 3pt attempt. SJ naturally out of good Reb position due to setting the screen. Reb goes left. SB grabs it and puts it back for the make. No RebO.

D6-SJ effectively battles with JB underneath. Play rotates from left to right. Shot goes up from left. SJ boxes out JB. Both are slightly left-center, a couple feet from the rim. Purists would say it may have been a little weak box-out technique-wise. Rebound goes left-baseline though, and Ball secures the RB. No RebO.

O6-SB pushes pace, SJ and JB come up court behind SB. SJ goes to left corner of FT line (to establish position for offensive set). SB hucks up a quick 3. JB naturally has position on SJ. He seals SJ. Another URI player gets the rebound. No RebO.

D7-URI player drives from top of key left side, gets a step on AK. SJ comes off JB to try and block the layup. Alters shot, it misses, but JB is left open to get Reb since SJ came to help. JB is fouled on the putback attempt by Diarra. No RebO. Could maybe quibble about if SJ should have leaked off JB to help. But I’m not a UConn coach so I don’t know what SJ should do there. JB makes both FTs.

O7-SJ starts high in the set. Gets ball, dishes to Mahaney, flashes down lane, is open for alley-oop but Mahaney misses opportunity. Ball reverses to right, Karaban shoots a 3. SJ is on the left block after curling around after his flash to the hoop. JB comes over to box out. SJ side-steps him, but stays behind him (probably not a bad thing since 3s usually miss long. Rebound goes high and long to the left FT line. Both SJ and Solo go after the Reb, both get a hand on it, it gets bounced on the floor. A 50/50 ball, URI player gets it, McNeeley strips it, SB recovers, and dishes to AK for the easy layup. SJ in position to get a Reb but he & Ball both deflect it (and it stays alive). RebO but no Reb, but play stays alive.

D8-JB gets good position down low with SJ on his back. Entry pass from FT line. JB pivots, goes right drop step. SJ contests, doesn’t foul, JB makes tough contested layup. No RebO, of course.

O8-Standard set. SJ sets a couple of FT line screens, flashes under hoop, goes to right side. SB drives around Mahaney into lane, pulls up and makes the jumper. JB stays on SJ on right side to keep lane open for the drive. No RebO.

D9-SJ & JB start down low. JB flashed up to 3pt line. Two URI guards on right side. JB looks to be setting a screen. SJ looks like he may have been anticipating this and sets his defense back-right of JB. But JB immediately cuts to the hoop. SJ in bad position. Kudos to JB and the URI set need to be made though. AK rotates over to guard JB, who receives the pass on the right block. SJ rotates down to double-team. JB could have been called for a travel, but instead a foul is called. Honestly, could have been called on either AK or SJ. Not sure who got called (think it was SJ), announcers didn’t say and then it went to commercial break.


TL/DR: What are the BY’s biggest beefs about SJ?

“Fouls too much!” - Welp, he made a ton of nice screens, played a lot of decent/adequate post defense, and got called for 1 questionable foul.

“Doesn’t Rebound” - Technically true, but his role in offensive sets often clearly puts him in no position/bad position to rebound. The one legitimate opportunity he had, he was there (with SB), and both tipped it away from each other. Both teams also made a ton of shots in this first 5min stretch…not many legit opportunities to grab rebounds.

“Only Dunks” – In this 5minute stretch, technically true, but he did not have any opportunities to legitimately do anything to take a post shot/jumper the way the offensive possessions went.

“High Hedges too much and gets burned on it and it ruins the defense” – Nope, didn’t happen in the first 5min.
10 points to Gryffindor.
 
Let’s give samson a chance, it was one scrimmage. Reed was awful in the first half and much better in the second half. A lot of new pieces so lets not overreact to one practice game
We have a lot of film on Samson. One of the better examples in this game of things that just cannot happen: second half, URI center gets an offensive rebound off a URI missed free throw, over Samson. Samson is flat footed, and then he immediately fouls him. These are the things that just cannot happen anymore with the kid. His rebounding instincts are just not good.

Someone brought up Rodman somewhere. Rodman had in HOF spades exactly what Samson is missing. Ball instincts, following flight of ball, anticipating carom, finding the nearest body to box out like madman.
 
Don’t kill me. Sleepers with their recap, along with two other videos on Reibe and Mahaney.


I’m not a Sleepers hater but my god the guy on the left is awful. I find myself disagreeing with almost every one of his takes. He’s the equivalent of a message board poster that has no clue what they’re talking about but will present their opinion with an incredible amount of undeserved confidence.
 
I’m not a Sleepers hater but my god the guy on the left is awful. I find myself disagreeing with almost every one of his takes. He’s the equivalent of a message board poster that has no clue what they’re talking about but will present their opinion with an incredible amount of undeserved confidence.
Yeah the guy on the left stinks. He's like the producer filling in because the normal guy had a baby. He has terrible takes and 0 entertainment value.
 
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On our transition/offense last 2 years. We were absolutely killer in transition. Top grades in efficiency and fairly frequent. It's just that when we were not in transition, we played deliberate and then got a ton of offensive rebounds, which are reflected in the pace stat as being extra slow.

For data, we were in the 79st percentile of getting out in transition last year and then literally 100th percentile of efficiency in transition. We were 77th percentile of 3s taken as % of total FGs taken in transition.

No, we weren't Alabama speed, but the last 2 years we've already been living the dream of "both fast and slow" as it were. I don't see Hurley changing this at all.
 
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On our transition/offense last 2 years. We were absolutely killer in transition. Top grades in efficiency and fairly frequent. It's just that when we were not in transition, we played deliberate and then got a ton of offensive rebounds, which are reflected in the pace stat as being extra slow.

For data, we were in the 79st percentile of getting out in transition last year and then literally 100th percentile of efficiency in transition. We were 77th percentile of 3s taken as % of total FGs taken in transition.

No, we weren't Alabama speed, but the last 2 years we've already been living the dream of "both fast and slow" as it were. I don't see Hurley changing this at all.
Were we literally 100th percentile for efficiency in transition? Surprised I haven’t seen this stat until now.
 
It won’t be as good. The defense in the tournament was epic. This team doesn’t have that defensive ceiling. It probably doesn’t have the ceiling of the 2023 team either.

That said, it should be good enough for the offense to carry UConn most of the time. Remember UConn won each game in the tournament the last two years by double digits. There is wiggle room.
Good take. Also, from a positive standpoint, this team may be the deepest all around team ever. And there are a LOT of really talented players. I think this team's strength will be in wearing down opponents with relentless stress on both ends of the court. Track meet.

And I cannot wait!!
 
That sequence was the best he has looked so far. He still seems like he's buried on the bench, but it sure look like he can contribute
Not to worry. Necessity is the mother of invention. I think we know down deep he is a dog. His day will come.
 
The only area that wasn't really exposed was how UConn can defend vs a high quality PG. URI doesn't seem to have a true PG. I'm sure HD and SB can put effective pressure on good to elite PGs but I guess we will just have to wait and see.
I think the tandem of Hass and Nowell (both dogs) will arise if there is a star PG opponent.
And not sure I would wish that combo on anyone.
 
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Were we literally 100th percentile for efficiency in transition? Surprised I haven’t seen this stat until now.
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Good take. Also, from a positive standpoint, this team may be the deepest all around team ever. And there are a LOT of really talented players. I think this team's strength will be in wearing down opponents with relentless stress on both ends of the court. Track meet.

And I cannot wait!!
This will happen.
We will be a different team without Clingan playing traffic cop and my only concern is rebounding. Samson still getting pushed around by Javonte Brown? (credit to Brown, though, he has played up)
I doubt any school out there has a talent like Mahaney coming off the bench. Player.
 
This is bizarre. Samson is being judged based on the specific skills needed to be successful on a basketball court. At least as far as I've seen. The folks complaining about his dunks are weirdos... dunks are good. And the hedging isn't a problem either--Hurley is putting pressure on him now to see how much we can create havoc without sacrificing the overall defense.

I think it's pretty simple and fans are making it too complicated. Samson is good. He's not going to be great until he figures out the rebounding and fouling.

By the same token Reed is also good. He will also not be greatuntil he figures out the things that plagued him last year: turnovers and shooting %.

Whichever of the two does the best job shoring up their individual weaknesses is going to be the starter getting 25 mins a game.
I agree with this. I meant by the quote that Samson clearly doesnt have all the qualities needed to be a traditional Center. Not a bruiser, it just isnt going to happen. He brings different things (speed/athleticism). We keep judging him versus the standard he won't achieve; but he has different intangibles (hence the quote). Yes he needs to rebound better regardless. My comparison is Solo, who many complain about his passing stats. Just not really the strength of his game, but we get other plus intangibles to offset.
 
I agree with this. I meant by the quote that Samson clearly doesnt have all the qualities needed to be a traditional Center. Not a bruiser, it just isnt going to happen. He brings different things (speed/athleticism). We keep judging him versus the standard he won't achieve; but he has different intangibles (hence the quote). Yes he needs to rebound better regardless. My comparison is Solo, who many complain about his passing stats. Just not really the strength of his game, but we get other plus intangibles to offset.
his intangibles are a really great asset while he's sitting on the bench in foul trouble every game.
 
Let’s give samson a chance, it was one scrimmage. Reed was awful in the first half and much better in the second half. A lot of new pieces so lets not overreact to one practice game
I mean, we've also seen Johnson for 3 years now (playing significant minutes for 1).

If we're seeing the same things from him in this scrimmage that we saw all of last year, Occam's Razor suggests that it's much more likely that he's largely the same guy as last year than it is that he's a significantly more savvy rebounder and just happened to have a bad game in that department this one time.
 
I think Samson will keep the starting role for a good part of the season unless Tarris really catches on quickly. We are changing his whole game. The Hurley quote about him wanting to be Hakeem ( who was more finesse than power) I think was telling. For Reed Jr. to play the role we need he needs to use that big body in a physical way and from I saw he has some work to do.

It’s interesting because he got 10 rebounds and while I watched what caught my eye was his lack of physicality. He is going to get minutes and maybe even more than Samson but my guess is that will be because Samson will have 2 fouls in the first half of every game we play.

What we know is who Samson is and he has put his time in to earn the starting role. I think Tarris is going to have to play with a much increased sense of urgency and physicality to become a starter. And those changes take time. He did look lost in the first half and for someone his size putting up those week floaters was almost exactly what we first so from Adama. It took a season and off season to get him playing the way Hurley wanted.

Just imagine that big body having a mean streak, a little Cam injection, that is what I think they want to see in Tarris. We are so athletic this year I can see teams trying even harder to muck up the game. Very few if any teams are going to want to run with us. Someone made the Alabama comparison and I do think we will see an attempt to increase our shot volume this year.
 
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On our transition/offense last 2 years. We were absolutely killer in transition. Top grades in efficiency and fairly frequent. It's just that when we were not in transition, we played deliberate and then got a ton of offensive rebounds, which are reflected in the pace stat as being extra slow.

For data, we were in the 79st percentile of getting out in transition last year and then literally 100th percentile of efficiency in transition. We were 77th percentile of 3s taken as % of total FGs taken in transition.

No, we weren't Alabama speed, but the last 2 years we've already been living the dream of "both fast and slow" as it were. I don't see Hurley changing this at all.
We were fast when it benefited us and slow when it benefited us.

We completely controlled the game.
 
I missed the start of the game, but a question is Solo Ball the starter/majority minutes at 3 ?
Meaning that both Stewart and Ross are behind him and possibly behind McNeeley (cuz Alex is playing 34 mins in BE games)?

I thought Stewart was poised to be the breakout star, but clearly it is Solo. It could become both if Solo plays more 2.

Is there an offensively potent "Death by 3's" possible lineup of 5 shooters with Diarra(or Nowell), Mahaney, Ball, McNeeley and Karaban?!

Karaban at the 5 like he did in emergencies last year is also a way to get McNeeley more burn at 4 and open up minutes for Stewart/Ross.
From what I saw Ball is never a 3 and is the starting 2. I think it's more likely we occasionally see McNeeley at the 2 with both Stewart and Karaban.

PG Diarra - Mahaney - Nowell
SG Ball - Mahaney - Ross
SF McNeeley - Stewart - Ross
PF Karaban - Stewart - Abraham
C Johnson - Reed - Singare/Karaban
 
Couple of things ... first of all replacing Clingan is like Purdue trying to replace Edey. Very unlikely so you work with what you got and we will have plenty. A lot of the rebounding burden falls on the shoulders of the other guys. i think Johnson and Reed will be just fine. My worry I guess is a potential lack of height in the back court. As vital as Clingan was for us, Castle and Newton were equally as valuable. Quick, versatile, and big. Rotation, box outs, and communication will be keys. I think that our guards as a group are excellent and should be able to give teams fits in the back court. In the front court, teams with bigger, longer guards are going to try to back them down, they won't be able to do it because Dan Hurley knows how to deal with it.
 
Couple of things ... first of all replacing Clingan is like Purdue trying to replace Edey. Very unlikely so you work with what you got and we will have plenty. A lot of the rebounding burden falls on the shoulders of the other guys. i think Johnson and Reed will be just fine. My worry I guess is a potential lack of height in the back court. As vital as Clingan was for us, Castle and Newton were equally as valuable. Quick, versatile, and big. Rotation, box outs, and communication will be keys. I think that our guards as a group are excellent and should be able to give teams fits in the back court. In the front court, teams with bigger, longer guards are going to try to back them down, they won't be able to do it because Dan Hurley knows how to deal with it.

I think Solo stands the best chance to assume the role of Castle on this year's squad. Yea he's not as tall, but he's much more athletic and has the ability to body up and battle big guards and small forwards. He was all over the place in the URI game, forcing steals, disrupting passes, crashing the boards. The things he needs to still get better at (that Castle excelled at as the season went on) are on-ball defense and creating offense.

Don't sleep on Ross as someone who may be able to be an additional big guard stopper as needed vs. certain teams (without a significant dropoff in offense vs. say Diarra or Mahaney).

Mahaney or Diarra can't assume the role of Newton but they don't need to. They will (especially Diarra, we've seen it already) disrupt via ball pressure.

Overall, I'm confident our defense will shore up and adjust for the differing skillsets for our 24-25 squad compared to 23-24. In the Hurley era, we always end up with above-average D as the season wears on.

How scared were people about our defense after watching open practice/the first few games last year when Cam was on the court? Yet, he turned from a liability to an asset as the season went on.

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From what I saw Ball is never a 3 and is the starting 2. I think it's more likely we occasionally see McNeeley at the 2 with both Stewart and Karaban.

PG Diarra - Mahaney - Nowell
SG Ball - Mahaney - Ross
SF McNeeley - Stewart - Ross
PF Karaban - Stewart - Abraham
C Johnson - Reed - Singare/Karaban
Got it, rewatched and saw that Ball only played guard, missed Stewart's early minutes on first viewing and it is interesting that McNeeley played the first 7+ minutes without a sub. I guess Stewart can get to 20-25M playing say 7-10M at PF and 12-17M at SF. Then Ross is mostly a guard
Karaban and Ball seem to have starting/most minutes locked down at the 4 and 2
1 seems pretty set for Diarra & Mahaney with oppty more Nowell if either is off.
3 The McNeeley - Stewart - Ross logjam at the 3 seems by far to be the most difficult to optimize talent on the floor and get everyone time.
5 As being discussed figuring out interior defense and rebounding is key to earn time at the 5, I would like to see Singare with better players at times. He got more boards in 4 minutes albeit garbage time than Sampson.
 
I think Solo stands the best chance to assume the role of Castle on this year's squad. Yea he's not as tall, but he's much more athletic and has the ability to body up and battle big guards and small forwards. He was all over the place in the URI game, forcing steals, disrupting passes, crashing the boards. The things he needs to still get better at (that Castle excelled at as the season went on) are on-ball defense and creating offense.

Ball may be a couple inches shorter than Castle, but I believe he has the same wingspan and superior vertical. So he can play like a 6'6+ guy even though he may only be 6'3 or 6'4.

I only watched the highlights, but looked like Solo made several nice hustle plays on defense...something we really didn't see much of last season.
 
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