Report: 2 More Scholarships for MBB

[freescooter]

Seems like this is an overall to any non-p4 schools. On what planet do basketball teams need 15 players? It means bigger programs can take guys and essentially stash them to keep them from other lower level teams.

 

[aceboon]

Don't the women have 15? Anyone know if Geno ever uses all 15?

I think they had to postpone a game a couple of seasons ago because they had too many injured players and Geno didn't even have all of his scholarships filled

 

[UCTitleTown]

Or walks on get scholarships

Not at UConn unless they're 3 star walk-ons.

 

[bobbyinaz]

The NCAA didn’t randomly make these changes. This is what the P4 want. This is part of the autonomy all member schools granted them when they gave them the ability make their own rules.

Of course this is designed to benefit them. The goal has always been to price everyone else out of the market. Increasing scholarship numbers is just the beginning.

 

[upstater]

They are going to crush the non-P4 football schools.

There will not be enough good players to compete. EVER. And smaller P4 schools are going to have a very difficult time paying these guys and giving them free scholarships, especially now.

This is a cut-throat move.

 

[AdamaNation]

I get this for the other sports... But what legitimate high d1 player wants to sign on to be the 15th guy? As it is, most teams 11-13 will hardly ever play and then transfer out.

He wouldn’t. It’s clearly for developmental players and gpa dawgs.

 

[uconnfan68]

They are going to crush the non-P4 football schools.

There will not be enough good players to compete. EVER. And smaller P4 schools are going to have a very difficult time paying these guys and giving them free scholarships, especially now.

This is a cut-throat move.

Cutting their own throats is more likely. Who wants to see the same 3-4 teams every year?

 

[businesslawyer]

This is unbelievably stupid.

Whether or not it’s “stupid” depends on the result you’re seeking to achieve. The result in football is to horde more talent at the top level to decrease the odds that someone at a lower level can compete with you. That’s not stupid — just selfish.

 

[superjohn]

Whether or not it’s “stupid” depends on the result you’re seeking to achieve. The result in football is to horde more talent at the top level to decrease the odds that someone at a lower level can compete with you. That’s not stupid — just selfish.

Kids want to play as we've seen with the portal. There won't be much hoarding.

 

[Scrutiner]

I'm trying to figure the logic behind this:
1. Adding a net 25 more men's scholarships would require adding one or more women's sports due to Title IX.
2. Some P4 schools in leagues with big $ media contracts are struggling financially at the current level of sponsored sports and scholarship levels and this won't alleviate that.
3. This would seem to lead to even more dominance by those schools/leagues with the best coaches/teams able to attract the best players and win championships which, as others have pointed out, could lead to fan fatigue and loss of interest and viewership necessary to maintain the value of the media deals.
4. So, what am I missing?

 

[Palatine]

This should kill college football for anyone outside the top 20.

 

[Excalibur]

One’s brain must truly be broken to think this is a good idea . . .

 

[How Sway?!]

Don't really see this affecting Basketball, especially in the age of the transfer portal. Basically just ends the NIL walk on loop hole.

For football, I think it'll be a bonus for FCS and lower level schools. Those fringe level walk on and practice players will probably trickle down in search for a roster spot/scholarship money

 

[UConnJim]

Whether or not it’s “stupid” depends on the result you’re seeking to achieve. The result in football is to horde more talent at the top level to decrease the odds that someone at a lower level can compete with you. That’s not stupid — just selfish.

That is not what the football scholarship increase is for. Players 86 to 105 are the current walk-ons (some schools have more than 105 players on the roster) and this brings stability to their former walk-on programs. All teams want to have a scout team so they can have productive practices. Mora has complained about the lack of practice depth and giving the walk-ons scholarships is the right thing to do. Schools are already paying for walk-ons coaching, food, medical care,... so the only additional cost will be the scholarship. That said, increasing the scholarship limit will not change the fact that most players won't play and they will continue to look for greener pastures through the portal.

 

[shizzle787]

Everyone is missing the point: this is the end of walk-ons. All P4 football, men’s and women’s basketball players have to be paid. Schools do not want to pay walk-ons so this is the solution.

 

[auror]

Everyone is missing the point: this is the end of walk-ons. All P4 football, men’s and women’s basketball players have to be paid. Schools do not want to pay walk-ons so this is the solution.

Yeah reading more into it, that's the case. But I bet more walk-ons will get scholarships now.

I think what will happen is that major schools will take who would have been low major bench guys as their 14th/15th guys and people who would have been walk-ons will now be low major bench guys.

 

[awy]

the benefits of a scholarship is still significant for a lot of kids. i'd think this is good for the elite schools as a way of attracting 0 or low NIL players on a trial basis to be practice/upside players. it'll be a pool of players that is higher quality than walk-ons.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

They are going to crush the non-P4 football schools.

There will not be enough good players to compete. EVER. And smaller P4 schools are going to have a very difficult time paying these guys and giving them free scholarships, especially now.

This is a cut-throat move.

Ignore the other sports that’s just cover
This is 100% about football and killing any threat to their kingdom.
Pre Title IX these schools would carry up to 130 scholarships. They were limited by the rules after its adoption. You could be on the team for 4 years and never travel or even dress for a game at some of these larger schools .
In basketball for a kid who realizes he is not going to play he has 350 schools with an opportunity to make the Tournament. and he even advance. (Gaffney) importantly the last option in BB not only dresses and travels but usually gets to play.
In football the portal is a reshuffle of the deck in the P realm or relegation to a school were success means a minor bowl game .

 

[UKemba15]

This means less walk-ons.

 

[uconnfan68]

I'm trying to figure the logic behind this:
1. Adding a net 25 more men's scholarships would require adding one or more women's sports due to Title IX.
2. Some P4 schools in leagues with big $ media contracts are struggling financially at the current level of sponsored sports and scholarship levels and this won't alleviate that.
3. This would seem to lead to even more dominance by those schools/leagues with the best coaches/teams able to attract the best players and win championships which, as others have pointed out, could lead to fan fatigue and loss of interest and viewership necessary to maintain the value of the media deals.
4. So, what am I missing?

They want to kill Title IX too.

 

[businesslawyer]

Kids want to play as we've seen with the portal. There won't be much hoarding.

If MIchigan will pay you $150k to sit on the bench, and UConn $25k to compete to play -- well, we'll see.

 

[shizzle787]

They want to kill Title IX too.

That’s not going to happen.

 

[upstater]

Kids want to play as we've seen with the portal. There won't be much hoarding.

In football, this will change things, in basketball not much change.

But we saw schools like Nebraska hoarding in the past. They used it to their advantage. I know with transfers that it was much easier for schools to move on from kids on the roster, but I'd never underestimate the willingness of football players to go to a school with a 119 scholarships already given.

 

[huskymedic]

That is not what the football scholarship increase is for. Players 86 to 105 are the current walk-ons (some schools have more than 105 players on the roster) and this brings stability to their former walk-on programs. All teams want to have a scout team so they can have productive practices. Mora has complained about the lack of practice depth and giving the walk-ons scholarships is the right thing to do. Schools are already paying for walk-ons coaching, food, medical care,... so the only additional cost will be the scholarship. That said, increasing the scholarship limit will not change the fact that most players won't play and they will continue to look for greener pastures through the portal.

Everyone is missing the point: this is the end of walk-ons. All P4 football, men’s and women’s basketball players have to be paid. Schools do not want to pay walk-ons so this is the solution.

It also allows partial scholarships as there is no proposed requirement to fund all 105 roster spots in football and or the other sports that had scholarship increases.

(It will be a reduction in roster size for a large number of P4 schools and some G5 schools in football.

https://businessofcollegesports.com/football/ncaa-set-to-increase-scholarship-limits-across-all-sports/

 

[upstater]

It also allows partial scholarships as there is no proposed requirement to fund all 105 roster spots in football and or the other sports that had scholarship increases.

(It will be a reduction in roster size for a large number of P4 schools and some G5 schools in football.

https://businessofcollegesports.com/football/ncaa-set-to-increase-scholarship-limits-across-all-sports/

What a bizarre universe we're in. Schools are approaching a demographic / enrollment cliff with less money than ever to fund the school and we're seeing massive increases in scholarships and payments to players at the same time. This is madness.