rehashing our ACC snub

[UConnDan97]

No, I don't think UConn football is respected. Louisville football is respected now, but a few years ago it was in CUSA and worse than mediocre. I think the current perception of UConn football is just as changeable as Louisville's past perception was. There is a predominant "what have you done for me lately" attitude. And if UConn were to go 13-0, as you so presciently predict, we would soon rise above Louisville in people's football perception.

Regardless of that, it's a short-sighted attitude to grade universities and athletic departments on recent performance of the football team. The ACC just did that, but it was under great stress. Also, it was choosing between two athletic programs very similar in stature, so small considerations could tip the balance.

The B1G has smarter people thinking about realignment from a secure position and able to take a long-term view. They also have a different model which rewards state flagships with strong loyalty and values basketball more than ESPN does. (ESPN has a ton of pro and college winter sports inventory and won't pay up for an additional bit of college basketball; the BTN has no pro sports inventory and gains great benefit from quality winter sports.) Given that the ACC has sold itself lock stock and barrel to ESPN, UConn isn't as valuable to them, because our quality sports aren't needed by ESPN. But UConn is extremely valuable to the B1G, for its basketball, multiple quality sports, domination of Connecticut, reach into New York and New England, and football potential.

What I'm saying is that, among the decision-makers I care about, Louisville's recent football success won't matter a damn. Think about it from the B1G's perspective. They would never in a million years consider Louisville, even if Louisville won a national championship in football, or ten national championships. They will consider UConn, even if our football team stays mediocre.

So, you agree with me about the fact that our perception was not that of the Ville's.
So, you agree with me that the perception affected the decision from the ACC.
So you agree with me that UConn's upside is greater than that of the Ville.

So what the heck are you fighting with me for???

 

[pj]

So, you agree with me about the fact that our perception was not that of the Ville's.
So, you agree with me that the perception affected the decision from the ACC.
So you agree with me that UConn's upside is greater than that of the Ville.

So what the heck are you fighting with me for???

I'm not fighting with you! Just teasing you that you don't acknowledge that our coming 13-0 seasons will raise our profile past Ville's. I think you're a little weak in the knees with your 13-0 ... a little lacking in confidence ...

P.S. - We did have a minor scuffle on another thread over whether Missouri would consider leaving the SEC for the B1G. You said that was crazy. I said it was reasonable for Mizzou to leave. But, that's not important.

 

[UConnDan97]

I'm not fighting with you! Just teasing you that you don't acknowledge that our coming 13-0 seasons will raise our profile past Ville's. I think you're a little weak in the knees with your 13-0 ... a little lacking in confidence ...

P.S. - We did have a minor scuffle on another thread over whether Missouri would consider leaving the SEC for the B1G. You said that was crazy. I said it was reasonable for Mizzou to leave. But, that's not important.

Ah. I must be getting old, because all the threads are merging into one thread in my head.

As for the 13-0...you can bank on it, slap it up, flip it, and rub it down! 13-0 is happening, my friend. The only question left is whether or not you're ready to handle the 13-0. Whether or not you're ready to embrace the 13-0. Prepare yourself emotionally, because we only have a few more weeks left before the magic starts happening...

 

[pj]

Ah. I must be getting old, because all the threads are merging into one thread in my head.

As for the 13-0...you can bank on it, slap it up, flip it, and rub it down! 13-0 is happening, my friend. The only question left is whether or not you're ready to handle the 13-0. Whether or not you're ready to embrace the 13-0. Prepare yourself emotionally, because we only have a few more weeks left before the magic starts happening...

I can embrace 13-0. In fact, I can hug and kiss 14-0. But I will go all the way with 15-0.

 

[CL82]

Ah. I must be getting old, because all the threads are merging into one thread in my head.

As for the 13-0...you can bank on it, slap it up, flip it, and rub it down! 13-0 is happening, my friend. The only question left is whether or not you're ready to handle the 13-0. Whether or not you're ready to embrace the 13-0. Prepare yourself emotionally, because we only have a few more weeks left before the magic starts happening...

You know Dan I will be sending you my therapy bill but for now count me in.

 

[Marty Jackson]

this thread is like someone saying, "hey, remember that colonoscopy you had? would love for you to share the details again."

 

[Marty Jackson]

PJ, you're killing me, dude. Seriously, you're killing me.

Do you think that our football team is as respected in the eyes of others (especially southerners) as the Ville is? I'm being serious, now. When people think of our football, they either think of the Fiesta Bowl that they believe we didn't belong in, or they think about the Pasqualoni years where we went "bowl-less". When they think of the Ville's football team, they think of Teddy Bridgewater or they think of them pasting Florida in a BCS bowl. That's a fact. And that has NOTHING to do with the fact that we're gonna go 13-0 this year!

This is not about my feelings for our team. Nor is it necessarily the reality of our future. But it's the current perception. And in college football, perception becomes the reality...

it does reflect how much a credible coach can change perception. UofL was all about Strong and the potential he brought. Bridgwater was icing on the cake. People forgot all about the experiment called "Kragthorpe"....
Diaco could very likely have the same success as Strong, and hopefully would have the same effect on perception.

 

[Sea Goat]

it does reflect how much a credible coach can change perception. UofL was all about Strong and the potential he brought. Bridgwater was icing on the cake. People forgot all about the experiment called "Kragthorpe"....
Diaco could very likely have the same success as Strong, and hopefully would have the same effect on perception.

A lot of truth here - in case anyone thought that HCPP and effingJH didn't hurt us big time. But I think Diaco can be transformational and that will certainly help. But, someone has to be looking when we're looking good!

 

[Gampeltiles]

There's been a lot of different theories as to why Louisville beat us for the last realignment spot in the P5.

Heard Tom Jurich the other on the radio -- it was interesting hearing from the horse's mouth who helped Louisville get that last spot.

Some we've already spoken about: FSU, Clemson. No surprise there -- Southern schools culturally more of a fit with Louisville than UCONN.

The other specific people he thanked were the Syracuse AD and Duke AD: old friends of his from years back.

A couple of things struck me when I heard this: 1) Jurich plain and simple had been around for a lot longer than Manual, and had a larger set of connections and markers to call in. 2) While he didn't specifically name or speak about UCONN, he did say that he thought a big part of Louisville's selection was that it hadn't had any type of NCAA investigation/violation in any program during his 17 year stint at Louisville.

That suggests to me that UCONN couldn't have been in a worse position having been under the shadow of NCAA violations and an unproven rookie head coach during this selection process. I've heard a lot of people holding Warde Manual and Susan Herbst to the fire due to their performance during those 12 days of realignment jockeying. But UCONN's probation wasn't their fault. Calhoun couldn't have lost the reigns of our signature program at a worse time. I realize he didn't have any idea that this was going to play out this way, but let's also realize that there is a lot of blame that can be spread around.

It certainly reasonable to surmise that UCONN football has not paid its dues. For , we have people on this board suggesting we return to FCS status. If we don't support the program why should ANY other school support the program?

Louisville got the nod. The timing was horrendous from a UCONN perspective as the OP so rightfully notes. I won't rehash it, it is covered very well. However, there is something that does not get mentioned. I hate to bring it up but it is part of UCONN's cache, unfortunately. Neither Rutgers nor Louisville had a Jaspar Howard incident, right in the middle of campus. To this day we ask why???

If you don't think other schools consider this when it is time to vote, you are wrong. It tips the scales, and should.

It weighs on the program, and pushes "the dues" up. It is what it is, and can only be healed by separation, TIME. Years and years of TIME. Get used to the AAC, we are not going anywhere soon.

 

[06029]

It certainly reasonable to surmise that UCONN football has not paid their dues. For , we have people on this board suggesting we return to FCS status. If we don't support the program why should ANY other school support the program?

Louisville got the nod. The timing was horrendous from a UCONN perspective as the OP so rightfully notes. I won't rehash it, it is covered very well. However, there is something that does not get mentioned and I hate to bring it up but it is part of UCONN's cache, neither Rutgers nor Louisville had a Jaspar Howard incident, right in the middle of campus. To this day we ask why???

If you don't think other schools consider that incident when it is time to vote, you are wrong. It tips the scales, and should.

It weighs on the program, and pushes "the dues" up. It is what it is and can only be healed by time.

Only Uconn? Maybe not on campus but..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Pata
http://espn.go.com/college-football...ootball-player-demarius-reed-found-shot-death
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/27/man-arrested-allegedly-stabbing-fla-college-football-player/

Maybe there is 0.001% factor from Howard but most of the schools realize stuff like that can and will happen anywhere.

Follow the money. Then throw in the egos. If you really think Roy and Coach rat face at Duke are big Uconn supporters, I'll have some of whatever you are drinking or taking. Uconn in the spotlight means no spotlight for them. They can deal with slimey Rick because he has implosion and suspension written all over him but with Uconn, they have real competition on a yearly basis.

 

[Gampeltiles]

Only Uconn? Maybe not on campus but..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Pata
http://espn.go.com/college-football...ootball-player-demarius-reed-found-shot-death
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/27/man-arrested-allegedly-stabbing-fla-college-football-player/

Maybe there is 0.001% factor from Howard but most of the schools realize stuff like that can and will happen anywhere.

Follow the money. Then throw in the egos. If you really think Roy and Coach rat face at Duke are big Uconn supporters, I'll have some of whatever you are drinking or taking. Uconn in the spotlight means no spotlight for them. They can deal with slimey Rick because he has implosion and suspension written all over him but with Uconn, they have real competition on a yearly basis.

I disagree. K. & Williams----phonies? Maybe. Tough to take? Absolutely.

However, I think they know it is in the best interest of ACC basketball is to have us. It's about the future of the ACC. They are stronger with us than without us.

Our futility in CR is about our football and University reputation.

 

[Pudge]

That's complete BS.

Of all the dumb comments. Jasper Howard has NOTHING to do with this. You think you know the broader stories? Syracuse has had two separate stabbing incidents involving football players in the last 20 years. And sexual assaults and crime are all over these schools; rare when you have one of the P5 Programs without one in 10 years.

 

[Gampeltiles]

So murder is just a teeny little problem we sweep under the rug. Got it.
Look at Penn State, murder is just a blip on the radar compared to what happened under the beloved JoePa.
And the incidents at other Universities that you site in your misguided post, so what??? Why try to correct it? It's just, ya know, normal, especially in a P5 school (still trying to piece together any sense of logic there, I'm wondering if there is a rape per year minimum in a P5 school) ...those wacky kids will be kids!
Thanks for pointing out the broader perspective, I feel truly enlightened now, thanks again.
btw--do you have any kids in college?

 

[whaler11]

So murder is just a teeny little problem we sweep under the rug. Got it.
Look at Penn State, murder is just a blip on the radar compared to what happened under the beloved JoePa.
And the incidents at other Universities that you site in your misguided post, so what??? Why try to correct it? It's just, ya know, normal, especially in a P5 school (still trying to piece together any sense of logic there, I'm wondering if there is a rape per year minimum in a P5 school) ...those wacky kids will be kids!
Thanks for pointing out the broader perspective, I feel truly enlightened now, thanks again.
btw--do you have any kids in college?

What is wrong with you?

 

[coachcap]

This thread has taken a repulsive turn.

 

[Waquoit]

The Cuse isnt a bunch of nancies, nor are we afraid of UConn. Respected rival, yes, but not afraid.

UConn is a disrespected rival, you mean. It's pure jealosy and hate from the nancies. UConn in hoops has become what Cuse always thought they could be. Even in their best year, they lost to UConn twice without ever taking a lead. And like up said, Cuse football has hit the skids since UConn went D-1. They want no part of UConn on even terms.

 

[Waquoit]

While I agree with much of what you write, imagine the sour pusses on the faces of the big Louisville backers in the ACC when Paul pasqualoni beat a ranked Charlie Strong team AT Louisville in front of a half-filled stadium.

Don Brown beat L'ville. PP and GDL's offense went 3 and out (or worse) 6 times out of 7 in the 2nd half. Only 39 yards of offense, the defense was on the field for twice as many plays as the offense. His "signature" win, followed buy an embarrassing, humiliating loss. How did Warde ever bring him back?

 

[businesslawyer]

So murder is just a teeny little problem we sweep under the rug. Got it.
Look at Penn State, murder is just a blip on the radar compared to what happened under the beloved JoePa.
And the incidents at other Universities that you site in your misguided post, so what??? Why try to correct it? It's just, ya know, normal, especially in a P5 school (still trying to piece together any sense of logic there, I'm wondering if there is a rape per year minimum in a P5 school) ...those wacky kids will be kids!
Thanks for pointing out the broader perspective, I feel truly enlightened now, thanks again.
btw--do you have any kids in college?

Are you just trying to get a reaction for the sake of reaction? Or do you really believe this crap? In case it's the latter, let me make this simple for you. Stuff happens on any campus when tens of thousands of young people are together. Period. The issue is does the University try to cover up the "stuff" to protect its athletic programs, or does the University deal with the "stuff" the best it can and the athletic departments be what they may.

The reason the Jasper Howard story is unrelated to anything beyond the tragedy of a life lost too young is because it had nothing to do with UConn's athletic department. Unlike, to use your absurd example, the Penn State story.

 

[Pudge]

Penn, that great Ivy League School, has had 6 suicides since last summer. Cornell had a rash of students killing themselves by jumping off the bridge into the Gorge.

I know this. I suspect there is a decent sized number of other parents and Northeast educational related employees that know this. As BL stated, this is about young adults free from their home & independent.

Contrast this to your Jasper Howard anecdote. This just doesn't resonate to our AD. The greater population raises their interest into what possibly could connect these stories. I trust that you really need continuing incidents to create the impact that was suggested.

 

[BoatShow]

Penn, that great Ivy League School, has had 6 suicides since last summer. Cornell had a rash of students killing themselves by jumping off the bridge into the Gorge.

I know this. I suspect there is a decent sized number of other parents and Northeast educational related employees that know this. As BL stated, this is about young adults free from their home & independent.

Contrast this to your Jasper Howard anecdote. This just doesn't resonate to our AD. The greater population raises their interest into what possibly could connect these stories. I trust that you really need continuing incidents to create the impact that was suggested.

I remember hearing somewhere that Ithica, NY has the highest suicide rate in the country.