Refs jobbed UConn tonight. Disgraceful.
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I'm just speechless. This is a serious post? Never mind. I'm out
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yes the rebounding differential is huge
BUT go back and rewatch some of the Offensive rebounds they got- ball bouncing their way, at least 7 over the backs, at least 5 times the Stanford cro magnum pushed or held on lower back of UConn players (Kelis Fisher twice on consecutive plays). ive been going back to see how they got all those and my son and I are amazed
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Yes we got more than our share of bad calls but Stanford would have flat out beat us anyway. Stanford beat us at all phases of the game and some bad calls aren't going to change that.
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You can never say that the officiating didn't matter when our big guy did foul out and shouldn't have, and their big guy didn't foul out, and should have.
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It actually is easier to rebound when you can make contact with an opposing player to "box out" and not get a foul called. I'm not saying that's the whole of the issue but it is part of it.
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Consider that UConn had a higher field goal percentage and a higher three-point percentage and, even with the rebounding edge, Stanford only had 6 more total attempts. In points scored from the floor, Stanford had, wait for it, a whopping two point advantage. However, Stanford went to the line 18 more times than UConn. . .They won it at the line and it had more to do with sheer volume than foul shooting prowess.
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you are a frustrated fool. the refs played a huge part in the outcome. go back and look at the offensive rebs they got. look at the holds, the bad bounces, the times that big dolt held or pushed
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It doesn't work like football, where officials are assigned a single league. Officials work more than one league, usually a region. One of the guys working the game last night worked the UConn-Tulsa game too. They weren't "Pac 12" officials. Most guys work both P5 and non-p5 leagues.
Plus, usually the contract signed by the teams will stipulate which team gets to bring officials. Remember the Arizona game at Gampel in the 2001 season? The officials were all from the western part of the country and worked mainly Pac and WAC games and when UConn went back there in 02, they were guys who mostly worked BE and A10 games.
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All of these games we lost this year there are good reasons. It's the refs, KO not
work in' the refs, soft rims, hard rims, game time too early, game time too late, XL center no good, KO divorce, can't close recruits, big men coach no good, yeah that's the ticket.........
work in' the refs, soft rims, hard rims, game time too early, game time too late, XL center no good, KO divorce, can't close recruits, big men coach no good, yeah that's the ticket.........
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Sorry but you hardo's who like to never blame anything on the refs because you think it makes you a big tough guy can sit down. The refs were miserable tonight. You can't talk about the stats over the entire game when we played it with 1 hand tied behind our back. Brimah played about 8 minutes right? Nastic bumped him hard every time a shot went up and never got called for a thing, on offense, he'd spin his arms into brimahs on a pivot and brimah would get called for a foul. Boatright got fouled on numerous drives that I didnt necessarily see, but I believe the commentator who is supposed to be unbiased yet was talking about how many calls they were missing on our end all night.
The rebounding margin.... yes we likely would have been outrebounded, but by far our tallest player didnt get any because he couldnt spend 3 plays on the court without being whistled for a foul.
We shot our 3's lights out, we were making some mistakes but this was a definitely winnable game. Taking our big effective C out of the entire game, as well as forcing our guys to have to change their mentality on D because of the foul troubles changes everything. Yes our team made mistakes, every team makes mistakes every game, but did the refs give us completely miserable unfair uneven treatment? YES YES YES
This season has had many games that felt this way, and over and over it feels like the basketball gods swinging luck. We get a countless number of breaks to make runs to championships, and then sometimes this kind of crap happens, but not being honest about it and trying to talk tough about your team doesn't make you any tougher, it just makes you unable to be honest with yourself and others.
Have fun UConn ref apologist hard azzes
The rebounding margin.... yes we likely would have been outrebounded, but by far our tallest player didnt get any because he couldnt spend 3 plays on the court without being whistled for a foul.
We shot our 3's lights out, we were making some mistakes but this was a definitely winnable game. Taking our big effective C out of the entire game, as well as forcing our guys to have to change their mentality on D because of the foul troubles changes everything. Yes our team made mistakes, every team makes mistakes every game, but did the refs give us completely miserable unfair uneven treatment? YES YES YES
This season has had many games that felt this way, and over and over it feels like the basketball gods swinging luck. We get a countless number of breaks to make runs to championships, and then sometimes this kind of crap happens, but not being honest about it and trying to talk tough about your team doesn't make you any tougher, it just makes you unable to be honest with yourself and others.
Have fun UConn ref apologist hard azzes
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Finally someone said this.
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you obviously know hoops (not), and your fellow hater likes your post (how fitting). Two spoiled bandwagon jumpers (actually, your comrade is not a bandwagon jumper, not sure how he survived the Perno years, but you are)
I might suggest that if Brimah isn't limited to 9 minutes, in large part because of ridiculous calls, the outcome could have been different. The game was close and the outcome in doubt until about the 8 minute mark, and we're a team that can't afford to lose AB
you're nothing about UConn, nothing, you're a flaming troll
and you obviously don't understand game flow either, so please don't talk hoop strategy with us
you're so damn ridiculous and silly, you actually think you're a respectful poster too
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Exactly.
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The thing is, the conferences with the most money are also going to be destination spots for the referees. We just saw one ref blackballed by the ACC. That has to hurt his pocketbook.
Getting paid is important to these refs.
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Last post on this. Had some time to reflect. Yes the reffing was bad but I still stand by my premise that lack of rebounding did them.
From the post game..
"They got 18 offensive rebounds, and that's unacceptable from a UConn team," coach Kevin Ollie said. "It's an embarrassment. We've got to fix it, rectify it. To get outrebounded by 24, that just comes down to toughness. You've got to want to hit somebody, commit to hit, and we just aren't doing that right now."
Stefan Nastic, a 6-foot-11, 245-pound, fifth-year senior, had 12 points and 13 rebounds. Anthony Brown, also a fifth-year senior, had 18 and nine, and Rosco Allen had seven points and 13 rebounds. Stanford also had the touch from outside on its home court, making 10 of 22 three-point shots. Chasson Randle, burning UConn for the second year in a row, made seven threes and scored 23 points.
Of course, Stanford had so many second chances, it rarely mattered when it missed. UConn did not get an offensive rebound in the first half, and ended with four — to Stanford's 18. Although there was some grumbling about the officiating, UConn, which outrebounded its first 15 opponents 35.5 to 31.8 per game, generally blamed itself for the beating it took.
"We played kind of timid today," said Brimah, who was limited to nine minutes, seven points and one rebound. "They beat us on the boards. We've got to play better than that. We have to be tough."
From the post game..
"They got 18 offensive rebounds, and that's unacceptable from a UConn team," coach Kevin Ollie said. "It's an embarrassment. We've got to fix it, rectify it. To get outrebounded by 24, that just comes down to toughness. You've got to want to hit somebody, commit to hit, and we just aren't doing that right now."
Stefan Nastic, a 6-foot-11, 245-pound, fifth-year senior, had 12 points and 13 rebounds. Anthony Brown, also a fifth-year senior, had 18 and nine, and Rosco Allen had seven points and 13 rebounds. Stanford also had the touch from outside on its home court, making 10 of 22 three-point shots. Chasson Randle, burning UConn for the second year in a row, made seven threes and scored 23 points.
Of course, Stanford had so many second chances, it rarely mattered when it missed. UConn did not get an offensive rebound in the first half, and ended with four — to Stanford's 18. Although there was some grumbling about the officiating, UConn, which outrebounded its first 15 opponents 35.5 to 31.8 per game, generally blamed itself for the beating it took.
"We played kind of timid today," said Brimah, who was limited to nine minutes, seven points and one rebound. "They beat us on the boards. We've got to play better than that. We have to be tough."
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In the Bahamas it was double rims, slippery floor, refs and an open door allowing the sea breezes into the arena.
Has there ever been a loss this year that was just on the teams and not contributed by some other force??
In the Bahamas it was double rims, slippery floor, refs and an open door allowing the sea breezes into the arena.
Has there ever been a loss this year that was just on the teams and not contributed by some other force??
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Were the refs atrocious? Absolutely.
Was that the reason UConn lost? No.
As has been pointed out ad nauseam it was rebounding and lack of effort/toughness. You cannot get killed on the offensive boards like UConn did last night, unacceptable. The only reason for that is lack of effort and aggression. No one was boxing out or fighting for rebounds but Stanford players were fighting for boards. Stanford wanted this game more than UConn.
Turnovers, rebounding, and lack of aggression lost this game. Calhoun would have strangled someone if a team of his got out rebounded like last night and only got to the line 5 times. UConn fell in love with jump shooting no one attacked the rim consistently or forced action to get the refs to make calls. Stanford did those things and got whistles albeit some home friendly calls.
Brimah got worked by a stronger more seasoned player. He was constantly pinning Brimah in spots Brimah was trying to push him out of being. Problem is Brimah is not strong enough yet and uses his hands in the opponents back. Unfortunately that's a foul and Brimah hasn't learned to not do it. He does it every game and it's all because he isn't strong enough to keep opposing players from getting to a favorable spot on the block. There was 1 phantom call and it wasn't his 5th. If he kept his hands straight up he doesn't get called for his 5th but his arms started leaning over the top of kristic or whatever his name was. Yes Brimah got all ball but 9/10 times by not keeping your arms vertical you will get called for a foul.
Stanford was crashing the boards while uconn was just watching. No one was searching for anyone to box out or hit. They weren't getting in proper rebounding positions meanwhile Stanford was doing those things while sending and extra body to the boards.
boatright is starting to look defeated. He needs to refocus and get back to being his confident self. He is the leader and without him this team will go nowhere. This team is going to have to look in the mirror, come together, fix their flaws and start playing team basketball for each other in order to fix the current issues.
The positive is Omar, Purvis and Cassell all played fairly well and they shot the 3 well. The season is not lost yet. There is still hope and I believe KO and the staff will do things that will get this team to meet their potential.
Was that the reason UConn lost? No.
As has been pointed out ad nauseam it was rebounding and lack of effort/toughness. You cannot get killed on the offensive boards like UConn did last night, unacceptable. The only reason for that is lack of effort and aggression. No one was boxing out or fighting for rebounds but Stanford players were fighting for boards. Stanford wanted this game more than UConn.
Turnovers, rebounding, and lack of aggression lost this game. Calhoun would have strangled someone if a team of his got out rebounded like last night and only got to the line 5 times. UConn fell in love with jump shooting no one attacked the rim consistently or forced action to get the refs to make calls. Stanford did those things and got whistles albeit some home friendly calls.
Brimah got worked by a stronger more seasoned player. He was constantly pinning Brimah in spots Brimah was trying to push him out of being. Problem is Brimah is not strong enough yet and uses his hands in the opponents back. Unfortunately that's a foul and Brimah hasn't learned to not do it. He does it every game and it's all because he isn't strong enough to keep opposing players from getting to a favorable spot on the block. There was 1 phantom call and it wasn't his 5th. If he kept his hands straight up he doesn't get called for his 5th but his arms started leaning over the top of kristic or whatever his name was. Yes Brimah got all ball but 9/10 times by not keeping your arms vertical you will get called for a foul.
Stanford was crashing the boards while uconn was just watching. No one was searching for anyone to box out or hit. They weren't getting in proper rebounding positions meanwhile Stanford was doing those things while sending and extra body to the boards.
boatright is starting to look defeated. He needs to refocus and get back to being his confident self. He is the leader and without him this team will go nowhere. This team is going to have to look in the mirror, come together, fix their flaws and start playing team basketball for each other in order to fix the current issues.
The positive is Omar, Purvis and Cassell all played fairly well and they shot the 3 well. The season is not lost yet. There is still hope and I believe KO and the staff will do things that will get this team to meet their potential.
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Skiblets said:
It was a big factor, but we rolled out a four-guard lineup for most of the game (in the 1H without Hamilton due to two fouls, who is our best defensive rebounder, even though he can be vulnerable to physical 4s when we play small). You sometimes make sacrifices when you go with certain lineups and we sacrificed rebounding with four guards and Nolan or Facey at the 5 for extended time. You hope to make up the difference with matchups on the other end - and in some ways we did with open threes when they were going in. But the shots stopped falling and our rebounding disadvantage wasn't going to fix itself.
Have to admit Dawkins has gotten the better of us two years in a row. We couldn't crack their zone last year and get Napier going, and we couldn't solve their help defense this year and get Boat going, without going small and spreading the floor with shooters in the corners - and that left a weakness they attacked.
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I know why and fully understand why KO doesn't comment about the refs
Just wondering what he thinks and if he questions certain calls and/or sees obvious blown/missed calls and why he has decided, to date, to be so passive.
Just wondering what he thinks and if he questions certain calls and/or sees obvious blown/missed calls and why he has decided, to date, to be so passive.
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AB gets some calls that other big men don't get. I understand at times he reaches when he doesn't have to, but sometimes they just call because of what they don't see.
The team overall did a lousy job blocking out on the defensive boards. That has to improve going forward
The team overall did a lousy job blocking out on the defensive boards. That has to improve going forward
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Because questioning officials publicly is a sure-fire fine.
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For everyone screaming about the "over the back" (no such rule) calls, or lack there of...this is where it all starts. If you put the guy on your back, you get a whistle when he jumps and reaches over you. Don't leave it up to the official, initiate the contact and take it out of the officials' hands.
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Amida is a terrible post defender. Against good competition he will always foul out.
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Missed the Bahamas game. We're you there?
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