Red Autry

[metsfan2323]

It’s the right call. He’s got a good class coming in so see what he can do with a third year. He hasn’t been good so far but they’ve also been wildly untalented.

With NIL and the transfer portal the "good class coming in" is no longer a reason to keep a failing coach. Any new coach with a decent resume can quickly put together a solid class through the portal (see Michigan this year) and a bad coach will almost always fail regardless of talent.

 

[Kolumbo]

the only somewhat drivable game for cuse students is bcu which really means there is no game worth driving to. and no one is going to drive to syracuse. both of those outcasts can rot.

you figure you should give the coach a 3rd year but their fans don't like it. their donors? I doubt it. recruits? that's a scary situation settle on. Young Anthony is probably having lunch with Slick Rick right now to discuss the transfer portal next year.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

With NIL and the transfer portal the "good class coming in" is no longer a reason to keep a failing coach. Any new coach with a decent resume can quickly put together a solid class through the portal (see Michigan this year) and a bad coach will almost always fail regardless of talent.

You cut off the piece of my post that addressed that point. Dusty May ain’t walking through the doors of the carrier dome. If they fire Autry, I think they’re settling for a far less accomplished and/or desirable coach. And then you have to put enough NIL together, and then you hope the coach is able to both pull in enough talent and the right talent.

 

[Chuck]

I think any coach is hamstrung at Syracuse, NIL or not. They've been irrelevant for so long and their location is not attractive to one and done or two and dine players.

You're not the only to make this claim, but I don't really get it. Syracuse is a super popular school in the tri state area, and that's for many kids paying for a private school that has most of the attributes of a public school. I visited with one of my kids and I thought the school was fine, and the Dome is still a cool attraction. I don't want to move to Syracuse as an adult, but I don't really want to move to Storrs either. There are plenty of schools that are doing well athletically that have less going for them.

To be clear, I root against Syracuse, BC, and Miami and to a lesser extent Pitt and Louisville. That's despite having good friends and kids of good friends that went/go to the former group. I love watching their failure and/or mediocrity, especially after so many of their fans danced on our grave and their administrations went out of their way to screw a colleague.

Re Autry, he should get a third year and it would be hard for Syracuse financially to fire him now. He'll probably fail, but they can cross that bridge next year and start reaching out to replacements like UConn did with Dan Hurley.

 

[7774]

It’s the right call. He’s got a good class coming in so see what he can do with a third year. He hasn’t been good so far but they’ve also been wildly untalented.

The other consideration is who they could even get if they moved on. We’ve seen in this cycle that NIL has thrown everything for a loop with coaching changes. Even top programs were getting turned down by established coaches at “lesser programs” left and right. I don’t see any way Cuse lands an established coach. They either have to settle for a retread or a mid-major type, which comes with a lot of risk.

I watch almost every Cuse game. They look way, way less talented than they actually are because the coaching is so bad. They have 5 top 100 recruits + a center they paid almost $1M. On the season they have 2 wins over teams in the Kenpom top 100, and both of those teams are in the 90's. They literally have 0 wins over a top 90 team at this point.

 

[FearThePups]

I don't watch their game neither but if I am having a down day I go lurk syracusefan.com. Their salty tears and misery are my joy.

There’s got to be a country song somewhere in there.

 

[UConnSwag11]

As Rutgers illustrates, even bringing in two lottery picks including the #1 or 2 pick can't turn a bad program around. Rutgers is 14-16 and in 15th place in the Big 10. That's not a typo. 15th....

They don’t care. They’re set for life in the Mid 10

 

[Huskyforlife]

Keeping Autry around because you're worried about losing a top 40 level recruit is objectively hilarious. I'm sure Kiyan would've re committed to Cuse anyways. Their fans thought they'd get the young/talented Ark St coach that runs an Oats style offense with recruiting connections in NY. Now some other school is gonna scoop him up.

Now if Autry gives you an 8/9 seed type of season, you're stuck with him for another season because he showed improvement. This makes me very happy.

 

[Al Czervik]

I’ve been following college basketball since the dream season, stayed up super late for random west coast games not involving UConn back in the day, still do not miss any UConn games, watch plenty of other non big east games, and genuinely did not know the name of Syracuse’s current head coach. I was embarrassed to admit this but thought this says more about the sad state of affairs with their program.

 

[BFieldHusky]

This is right. We can and should revel in their misery, but they'll find someone who will get them back to relevance.

Easy to say that. We'll see what happens. You could argue that if Autry doesn't work out, their next hire will either bring the program back, or it will become even more irrelevant. They haven't been ranked ONCE this decade. That's crazy to think about it, but shows you bad things haven gotten. We see what has happened to BC, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame and Miami (outside of a random run) etc in the ACC. And so many coaches have retired. It's become a terrible BB conference.

The other problem is it is harder than ever to pry coaches away from P5 programs. The SEC, Big Ten and Big 12 can and will keep their coaches. As an example, Michigan got word that Indiana might, might have interest in Dusty May, and he immediately got an extension, in his first year. I don't think Cuse is going to be able to hire an established coach from a P5 program.

So they will have to go the mid-major route. Sometimes that works out. The coach from Arkansas St makes a lot of sense as he has Upstate NY ties. But by waiting, they may lose out on him this hiring cycle.

I always give Benedict, and Herbst credit. They knew they had to pull the plug on Ollie, and they had a good idea they could get Hurley, and they made the move. And we still got lucky that Hurley really wanted this job, because Pitt was offering more years, and more money. I know it's easy to say that it was obvious Ollie should be fired, but think of the $$$ situation the AD was dealing with, and we hadn't even been invited to the Big East yet.

 

[Huskyforlife]

Easy to say that. We'll see what happens. You could argue that if Autry doesn't work out, their next hire will either bring the program back, or it will become even more irrelevant. They haven't been ranked ONCE this decade. That's crazy to think about it, but shows you bad things haven gotten. We see what has happened to BC, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame and Miami (outside of a random run) etc in the ACC. And so many coaches have retired. It's become a terrible BB conference.

The other problem is it is harder than ever to pry coaches away from P5 programs. The SEC, Big Ten and Big 12 can and will keep their coaches. As an example, Michigan got word that Indiana might, might have interest in Dusty May, and he immediately got an extension, in his first year. I don't think Cuse is going to be able to hire an established coach from a P5 program.

So they will have to go the mid-major route. Sometimes that works out. The coach from Arkansas St makes a lot of sense as he has Upstate NY ties. But by waiting, they may lose out on him this hiring cycle.

I always give Benedict, and Herbst credit. They knew they had to pull the plug on Ollie, and they had a good idea they could get Hurley, and they made the move. And we still got lucky that Hurley really wanted this job, because Pitt was offering more years, and more money. I know it's easy to say that it was obvious Ollie should be fired, but think of the $$$ situation the AD was dealing with, and we hadn't even been invited to the Big East yet.

The sliding doors moment where Hurley goes to Pitt and we hire Frank Martin, and we're already likely onto the next guy by now. Crazy how lucky we've been as a program.

 

[navery12]

Can't post this is the March NCAA thread because uconngb has had be blocked for 5+ years, so putting it here

 

[UConnJim]

In the NIL era, who cares about the recruiting class coming in. Syracuse made the mistake of hiring an assistant coach who had no head coaching experience and it shows. Autry is just not a good coach and keeping him for an extra year just delays the inevitable. My guess is that the buyout is too much for Syracuse to fire him now. Remember, Syracuse, like all schools, has to start revenue sharing and they are probably taking a haircut on their ACC revenues.

 

[uconnric]

No surprise, but the Cuse AD announced Red Autry will be back next year for his 3rd season. Rumor is a lot of this is the fact that he has a good recruiting class coming in, including Melo's kid. Would think next year is a make or break year for him. Rumor also is Cuse is really behind with NIL.

Adrian will be back next year," Wildhack said during a local radio appearance on ESPN101 Radio in Syracuse. "But that comes with expectations."Autry has two ESPN 100 recruits: Sadiq White and Kiyan Anthony. They are coming to the program this fall.

SU Athletic Director confirms Coach Autry will return for next basketball season

Syracuse University Basketball Head Coach Adrian Autry will be back for the 2025-26 season according to SU Athletic Director John Wildhack.

cnycentral.com

Translation: His buyout is too high right now, we'll get rid of him next year.

 

[superjohn]

Bigger question- Who should Villanova hire?

 

[6Nattys4Us]

I’m a Carmelo Anthony fan and wish the best for his son but a program expecting the #36 ranked recruit to come in and turn it around is delusional, particularly in the transfer portal era. Such unrealistic expectations when paired with his dad’s legacy

I am not…selfish player wanting to score and get rebounds for the sake of HOF and basically could not be bothered to defend. Not a team player and his NBA rap was selfish.

 

[amishboy]

Disagree, they got stuck because Boeheim stayed too long and then they made the dreaded decision to hire a former player which almost never works out. A top coach would turn around Cuse in a hurry.

Yeah, if any potential one & done thought that Syracuse had a great coach, I imagine they’d be okay with spending 9 months there.

 

[UC1995]

Syracuse is in trouble. They are losing everyone from next year, though the players are not very good. Freeman and Moore shelved themselves after seeing that dumpster fire. He brought in only seniors from the portal this year. Everyone they brought in is graduating and they are going to have to build around 4 freshman. Their NIL is poor and Autry is a poor evaluator of talent and not a good game day coach. They don't have the money to bring in multiple guys in that can play to a higher level. They got bad at the worst time.

 

[uconnfan68]

Can't post this is the March NCAA thread because uconngb has had be blocked for 5+ years, so putting it here

You know you’re in the big leagues when basketball doesn’t matter.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

Syracuse is in trouble. They are losing everyone from next year, though the players are not very good. Freeman and Moore shelved themselves after seeing that dumpster fire. He brought in only seniors from the portal this year. Everyone they brought in is graduating and they are going to have to build around 4 freshman. Their NIL is poor and Autry is a poor evaluator of talent and not a good game day coach. They don't have the money to bring in multiple guys in that can play to a higher level. They got bad at the worst time.

Maybe it's time to play the Nate Oats card they put up their sleeve a few years back, eh?