Rebuild?

[whaler11]

In college basketball in 2017 you don’t need to rebuild.

You can complete turn a roster in one year.

Every team in the country is two recruits in their next class from winning their conference.

If you change coaches there is no need for a multiple year rebuild nor should anyone you hire tell you they need it.

 

[intlzncster]

In college basketball in 2017 you don’t need to rebuild.

You can complete turn a roster in one year.

Every team in the country is two recruits in their next class from winning their conference.

If you change coaches there is no need for a multiple year rebuild nor should anyone you hire tell you they need it.

You're not wrong, but there are potential extenuating circumstances. If half the program decides to leave, you'll need a couple years just to get the pantry restocked.

 

[whaler11]

You're not wrong, but there are potential extenuating circumstances. If half the program decides to leave, you'll need a couple years just to get the pantry restocked.

Oh no a bunch of guys who can’t play left. That will slow down the rebuild!

 

[superjohn]

In college basketball in 2017 you don’t need to rebuild.

You can complete turn a roster in one year.

Every team in the country is two recruits in their next class from winning their conference.

If you change coaches there is no need for a multiple year rebuild nor should anyone you hire tell you they need it.

But Strawmaster said it will take 30 years.

 

[jibsey]

The overall talent on the team is not great but I think there are coaches who could get them to play better and make us actually be competitive.

 

[intlzncster]

Oh no a bunch of guys who can’t play left. That will slow down the rebuild!

Or these are kids that can play who just haven't been coached right.

But no, I'm thinking of the situation UCONN had this spring where a bunch of guys leave, and you just have to take what you can get in order to field a team. So you might've stuffed your pantry with less than stellar groceries.

 

[Kemba429]

Chill brought in great recruits at Washington, im sure hell bring in someone.

 

[whaler11]

Or these are kids that can play who just haven't been coached right.

But no, I'm thinking of the situation UCONN had this spring where a bunch of guys leave, and you just have to take what you can get in order to field a team. So you might've stuffed your pantry with less than stellar groceries.

Fair enough depending on the timing you may need two classes to show real improvement.

That doesn’t change that people seem to have missed the sport has totally changed and the idea you need some length of time to rebuild is an artifact of the past.

You can tell in 18 months if someone can do the job or not.

 

[jdb50]

If you don't/can't recruit shooters your rebuild may never get off the ground. Being able to put a system in place that gets those shooters open looks would also help. Year two should see drastic improvement in any case.

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

Interesting post....

Can you provide the team template for discussion purposes.

Something that may reduce the level of speculation as it relates to our factual scenario here at UConn.

If you could it would provide a sound substantive basis. You still need "that guy" to deliver the two (2) players (and stay clean in the process/or not held accountable for violations).

I know what TCU (B12) has done but...

Illinois (B10)/Underwood? TBD

What is the threshold for a non-rebuild?

 

[UCDaveD]

Interesting post....

Can you provide the template for discussion purposes.

Something that may reduce the level of speculation as it relates to our factual scenario here at UConn.

If you could it would provide a sound substantive basis. You still need "that guy" to deliver the two (2) players (and stay clean in the process/or not held accountable for violations).

I know what TCU (B12) has done but...

Illinois (B10)/Underwood? TBD

What is the threshold for a non-rebuild?

Step 1: Land Trae Young
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit

 

[uconnphil2016]

Chill brought in great recruits at Washington, im sure hell bring in someone.

Didn't they win like 9 games the year before he left? Couldn't have been that great lol

 

[Horatio]

KO will have to convince the best of this group to stay at the end of the season. Then he'll have to convince the "committed " 2018 kids to stay committed and after that he'll have to develop what he has. In addition to that, it wouldn't hurt to
Add one quality grad. Transfer big ( heavy emphasis on "quality"). If he can some
How make it to next season without losing much and adding the new kids, we should be better next year. The possibility of these things actually happening would be almost miraculous.

 

[Jaker]

With Ollies NBA connections you would think he could bring in more recruits by simply naming "who he personnally knows" in the league.
You can't underestimate how the American conference in killing recruiting.

 

[JeepCSC]

Most big programs have tons of ties to the NBA. More important to have ties to the shoe companies.

 

[superjohn]

With Ollies NBA connections you would think he could bring in more recruits by simply naming "who he personnally knows" in the league.
You can't underestimate how the American conference in killing recruiting.

You could have said this a few years ago but back then he was considered a good coach and he was getting bigtime recruits. He's been exposed since then and other schools have tons of ammo they are using against him on the trail.

 

[methodology]

In this current situation it might take 3 years to rebuild/restock

If Ollie is fired expect half current roster to leave (JA, TL, AA, DO, AG, one of Whaley/polley/Carlton) and all the incoming recruits to look elsewhere.

The incoming coach would have to fill the roster with players like Pitt this year or BC 2-3 years ago. You lose any recruiting Chill has been working on as he would be leaving and you have to start from scratch with a new staff, new recruiting strategy as you would have to show/ get schools/ coaches to believe in the new UConn regime and vision for future before they allow/ guide their players to UConn. And let's not forget the AAC and the next coach won't be a big time name given the budget concerns with the state.

Recipe for disaster. Have to ride it out with KO and give him next year with the incoming class and see what players end up committing for the 2019 class. With Chill on the prowl the roster has a good chance of replicating past UConn rosters the fans have been accustomed to

 

[Husky68]

Fair enough depending on the timing you may need two classes to show real improvement.

That doesn’t change that people seem to have missed the sport has totally changed and the idea you need some length of time to rebuild is an artifact of the past.

You can tell in 18 months if someone can do the job or not.

Ollie was hired mid September 2012, so 18 months would be mid March 2014. March 15, 2014 was the day UConn lost by 10 to Louserville in the AAC tournament and we knew UConn would get in the tournament with a 26-8 record. What did you decide as to Ollie being able to do the job or not that day? If not, should he have been replaced for the tournament or should UConn have waited 'till after the tournament to fire him? If yes you thought he could do the job, I guess your 18 month rule isn't so good.

 

[BLUEDOGHOUSE]

With Ollies NBA connections you would think he could bring in more recruits by simply naming "who he personnally knows" in the league.
You can't underestimate how the American conference in killing recruiting.

Kevin Ollie is still an extremely charismatic, confident and competitive human being. Those are his biggest strengths.

He lacks discipline to close some deals. He needs to be more resourceful with what he has at his disposal. I think he needs to be more curious and expand his intellectual surroundings which translates into being more knowledgeable (something we all have to work on in our craft).

KO's passion has wavered but he still has enough of the "it" factor to recover it (time is seriously of the essence). In my opinion he needs to be more firm and persistent. I am not going to judge any persons honesty off the court (even though...never mind) because I am not with that person enough and can only rely on what some would perceive as credible hearsay.

If Ollie was more communicative over the last year...I for one as a UConn supporter would feel closer to him. This comes in many forms that can't be gone into detail here.

KO is going down a slippery slope VERY FAST. I want him to somehow make it though. None of us are perfect. He needs to dig DEEP or it will be OVER.

If you are rooting for UConn to lose to get a new coach F off (you know who you are).

 

[ConnHuskBask]

In this current situation it might take 3 years to rebuild/restock

If Ollie is fired expect half current roster to leave (JA, TL, AA, DO, AG, one of Whaley/polley/Carlton) and all the incoming recruits to look elsewhere.

Adams and Larrier are already gone.

Anderson and Onuorah are seniors.

Gilbert has a chronically injured shoulder.

Finally, god help us if we're basing this decision off of retaining Polley, Whaley or Carlton.

 

[methodology]

@ConnHuskBask

Whaley, polley, Carlton are 4 year role players every team needs.

You also lose Akinjo, Matthews, and possibly Kisunas. Who are you filling 7 open spots with for 2018 and literally 0 PGs on the roster.

Any prep/ high school and AAU program would advise their players to stay away from UConn until the new staff shows their plan/ vision. Recruiting would get worse and being in the AAC won't help matters.

Grass isn't always greener on the other side. UConn is in a bad situation right now but things would get a lot worse by cutting bait with KO and there no guarantee the next coach would be able to turn UConn around in 2 years given the conference and roster circumstances and the coach would be mid tier given KO buyout and state budget

 

[superjohn]

@ConnHuskBask

Whaley, polley, Carlton are 4 year role players every team needs.

You also lose Akinjo, Matthews, and possibly Kisunas. Who are you filling 7 open spots with for 2018 and literally 0 PGs on the roster.

Any prep/ high school and AAU program would advise their players to stay away from UConn until the new staff shows their plan/ vision. Recruiting would get worse and being in the AAC won't help matters.

Grass isn't always greener on the other side. UConn is in a bad situation right now but things would get a lot worse by cutting bait with KO and there no guarantee the next coach would be able to turn UConn around in 2 years given the conference and roster circumstances and the coach would be mid tier given KO buyout and state budget

The grass is all dead and covered in dog s#^t.

 

[whaler11]

If we can’t find grass greener than Kevin Ollie they should disband the athletic department.

My God - do some of you stay in bed all day because you might slip and hit in your head in the shower?

 

[ConnHuskBask]

@ConnHuskBask

Whaley, polley, Carlton are 4 year role players every team needs.

You also lose Akinjo, Matthews, and possibly Kisunas. Who are you filling 7 open spots with for 2018 and literally 0 PGs on the roster.

Any prep/ high school and AAU program would advise their players to stay away from UConn until the new staff shows their plan/ vision. Recruiting would get worse and being in the AAC won't help matters.

Grass isn't always greener on the other side. UConn is in a bad situation right now but things would get a lot worse by cutting bait with KO and there no guarantee the next coach would be able to turn UConn around in 2 years given the conference and roster circumstances and the coach would be mid tier given KO buyout and state budget

Yet somehow, every year, athletic departments make the decision to fire head coaches given the potential they may lose kids. Hell some may argue retaining to current Head Coach you'd be at more risk to lose guys on the roster.

UConn is never going to have the successes we had under Calhoun. Aside from Duke, Kentucky, UNC and Kansas, no other program in the country is going to sustain that level of success for two decades either.

I'm of the belief that even though we won't be Calhoun's UConn, we're still a program that should consistently make the NCAAs. That's clearly not the case given our current predicament.

 

[Caronimo]

There have been no better rebuilders than the managers from Angels in the Outfield, Rookie of the Year, Little Big League and Major League. Just takes some recruiting, motivation and attention to detail. Does KO have these skills?