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Rebounding has to get better

bendm said:
How did sanogo only manage 1 board in 25 mins?
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Maybe because the player he was guarding played near half court a lot to draw him away from the basket combined with when his player did indeed go towards the basket his shot went through the hoop combined with he was thrown off his game by two quick phantom fouls.
 
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Teams have seen what we did to Iowa State and Butler on offensive glass and think that is a point of contention that they can mitigate against us ( it is able to be mitigated, if teams send 5 guys to defensive glass) , but that is a tradeoff for them. They lose something by doing that.


We are the ultimate whack-a-mole for teams playing us. They push down on one area to stop us and we pop up with 2 other ways to beat you.
 
We should look at total rebounds. We have to look at defensive rebounds. That is the important rebounding metric.

Offensive rebounding is inherently unreliable as a strategy, and while there are teams that can do well hitting offensive glass, it doesn’t show up every game.
 
August_West said:
Teams have seen what we did to Iowa State and Butler on offensive glass and think that is a point of contention that they can mitigate against us ( it is able to be mitigated, if teams send 5 guys to defensive glass) , but that is a tradeoff for them. They lose something by doing that.


We are the ultimate whack-a-mole for teams playing us. They push down on one area to stop us and we pop up with 2 other ways to beat you.
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Exactly. There was a lot of discussion that our depth would enable us to wear down opposing teams. To some degree there is validity to that viewpoint.

What is less discussed is the point you are making which is the type of depth we have. We have multiple options of style of play on offense and defense to counter other teams or to cause them to figure out a way to counter us. Very few teams, even teams with depth, can do this.
 
fleudslipcon said:
Maybe because the player he was guarding played near half court a lot to draw him away from the basket combined with when his player did indeed go towards the basket his shot went through the hoop combined with he was thrown off his game by two quick phantom fouls.
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that's a lot of maybes but ok
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
The guards have been rebounding well. I think Adama specifically needs to step up that part of his game. He’s too big and strong to not average close to double figures.
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The biggest reason his rebounding numbers are down are his minutes are down. The advanced numbers aren't too different from prior years


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ucp990411 said:
That means their centers did too
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That’s why Sanogo had 9 vs. Kalkbrenner’s 4, and Clingan had 3 vs. King’s 1.

Position matchups for rebounds:
Newton 4 vs. Nembhard 3
Hawkins 1 vs. Alexander 6
Andre 9 vs. Scheierman 9
Karaban 3 vs. Kaluma 16
Sanogo 9 vs. Kalkbrenner 4
UConn bench 5 vs. Creighton bench 2
 
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AS needs to clear out space, get up and grab the ball. He tips the ball way too much.

Karaban 3 vs. Kaluma 16

You do realize that AK was not on Kaluma the entire game and Hawkins was not on Alexander the entire game.
 
Shamon30 said:
If Springs is truly our best offensive rebounder, it's really odd that he didn't see any time against Xavier. We really could have used someone to step up on the boards in that game.
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I dont get it. Maybe like Floyd last season, someone has to keep Andy Hurley company at the end of the bench. Springs needs to get some small amount of time, especially with Samson in witness protection. If he doesn't produce in a few minutes yank him out. Alleyne gets time, why not Springs?
 
JohnFSilver said:
We should look at total rebounds. We have to look at defensive rebounds. That is the important rebounding metric.

Offensive rebounding is inherently unreliable as a strategy, and while there are teams that can do well hitting offensive glass, it doesn’t show up every game.
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Nope. Offensive rebounds are more important because they mean extra possessions.

Saying that it doesn’t show up every game would be like saying that tou shouldn’t build a strategy around 3-point shooting because they are lower percentage shots. You do both of those things because they have bigger upsides, so the reward makes it worth the risk.

And what’s with the either/or perspective? It’s not like anyone focuses on offensive rebounding to the exclusion of defensive rebounds. You focus on both.

I don’t understand why anyone is concerned abound rebounding with this team, we’re 12th in the nation in rebound margin. It’s one of the team’s strengths.
 
Billy Jack said:
Nope. Offensive rebounds are more important because they mean extra possessions.

Saying that it doesn’t show up every game would be like saying that tou shouldn’t build a strategy around 3-point shooting because they are lower percentage shots. You do both of those things because they have bigger upsides, so the reward makes it worth the risk.

And what’s with the either/or perspective? It’s not like anyone focuses on offensive rebounding to the exclusion of defensive rebounds. You focus on both.

I don’t understand why anyone is concerned abound rebounding with this team, we’re 12th in the nation in rebound margin. It’s one of the team’s strengths.
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Billy. Defensive rebounding is more important. Which is preventing offensive rebounding.
 
Billy Jack said:
Nope. Offensive rebounds are more important because they mean extra possessions.

Saying that it doesn’t show up every game would be like saying that tou shouldn’t build a strategy around 3-point shooting because they are lower percentage shots. You do both of those things because they have bigger upsides, so the reward makes it worth the risk.

And what’s with the either/or perspective? It’s not like anyone focuses on offensive rebounding to the exclusion of defensive rebounds. You focus on both.

I don’t understand why anyone is concerned abound rebounding with this team, we’re 12th in the nation in rebound margin. It’s one of the team’s strengths.
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We haven’t out-rebounded a team since Butler…..


Not getting defensive rebounds means the opposing team gets extra possessions….
 
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Billy Jack said:
Nope. Offensive rebounds are more important because they mean extra possessions.

Saying that it doesn’t show up every game would be like saying that tou shouldn’t build a strategy around 3-point shooting because they are lower percentage shots. You do both of those things because they have bigger upsides, so the reward makes it worth the risk.

And what’s with the either/or perspective? It’s not like anyone focuses on offensive rebounding to the exclusion of defensive rebounds. You focus on both.

I don’t understand why anyone is concerned abound rebounding with this team, we’re 12th in the nation in rebound margin. It’s one of the team’s strengths.
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Offensive rebounding is strategic. Sometimes, you don’t want to O rebound because you would rather get back on defense. Some teams, they need O rebound to win. They usually go out early in the ncaas
 
Using rebound % (not terrible sum or net margin), we outrebounded Butler and Xavier, essentially tied Providence and Villanova, and got beat on the boards by Creighton and Georgetown.

Note that we won both games we got outrebounded.
 
JohnFSilver said:
Billy. Defensive rebounding is more important. Which is preventing offensive rebounding.
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John, both are important, but the team that gets more offensive rebounds gets more possessions and therefore more shot opportunities. That’s the same reason why turnovers are so important.

Of course defensive rebounds prevent offensive rebounds, but if you only focus on defensive rebounds without knowing what the offensive rebounds are, then the D Rebounds number by itself tells you nothing.
 
UConnSwag11 said:
We haven’t out-rebounded a team since Butler…..


Not getting defensive rebounds means the opposing team gets extra possessions….
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You can’t look at rebounding in isolation. Why did Creighton outrebound us? Well, 11 of their 14 rebound advantage was on the offensive glass. Why? Because our D held them to 2 of 14 on 3’s. Those misses kick out and aren’t being grabbed by your primary rebounders. That game really says very little about our normal rebounding effectiveness. Meanwhile, we made up for the rebounding disadvantage by forcing 8 more turnovers than they did.

In the 2 previous games, we took 14 more shots than Providence and 15 more than Xavier, meaning that they had way more rebounding opportunities. That was a function of the fact that both teams got to the foul line a lot more than we did. Instead of taking and missing field goals, they were taking free throws.
 
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