Re: University of Tennessee and Crystal Dangerfield

[GG]

It's pretty early in the season. It is not going well but they have time to turn things around...lots of new parts that they are trying to piece together.

Yes, too early to count anyone out (well, not anyone but certainly Tn can improve).

 

[JavaMan]

Where do they keep their money?

In a hidden safe behind a hidden wall in the University of Tennessee Neyland football stadium home team locker room!

 

[Gus Mahler]

Where do they keep their money?

Basement of Fort Knoxville.

 

[HuskyNan]

Lady Vols have been ranked in Top 25 since 1984/85 Season. After next weeks game with Stanford and Oregon State will they fall out of the Top 25. Don't think they lose to Wichita State this week. http://www.knoxnews.com/govolsxtra/basketball/lady-vols-tumble-to-16th-in-ap-poll_42443513

Last year Wichita State played Tennessee to a 2 point game at Thompson Boling Arena and this year the game is at WSU, which is (believe it or not), Tennessee's first road game of the year. However, WSU is pretty bad this year - it's 1-5 with a blowout loss to Creighton. In fairness, WSU is down to 6 players in uniform and 4 of them are averaging more than 30 minutes a game. Tennessee would have to have half the team get the flu and the other half miss the bus to lose this game.

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

Where do they keep their money?

It's Tennessee; in the still, of course!

 

[DobbsRover2]

Three players receiving significant minutes were not playing with the team last year. So that is 3 of their 6 main players who didn't get to play in games last season. I consider that quite a bit of change from last year's team.

• Diamond sat out last year
  
• Russell sat out lat year
• Cooper is a freshman

UT also has a lot of injuries. If they can get healthy they will look like a much different team.

Hard to keep making excuses about when any kind of coherent play will develop for UTenn. Pretty pathetic to say that just because a longtime Vol player did not play much last year that she should be treated as some kind of newbie who needs to make baby steps getting back into the system. The Vols starters had 288 combined games as UTenn players entering the season, and the fifth starter had 36 games with UNC plus a full season last year to practice the Vol system even if she was not playing in games. Just like UConn fans do not expect Butler to finally step on the court as someone clueless to the the Husky system, DeShields should be pretty well set at this point as to how the team is expected to play. Any kind of whines about how the starters haven't had enough time together to contend with a VTech are in the just-wow category.

And as ES noted, the four currently injured players haven't exactly been shining lights for the Vols, so how much better would the team be with them except for some breather minutes? Three of them -- Jones, Middleton, Nared -- have a combined shooting percentage of around 38%, so that's not going to help the current 41.4% much if any. I know Jones and Dunbar are forwards, but their combined A\TO ratio of 0.49 is also an issue. Dunbar shoots a little better at about 46%, but if you average less than 1 assist every 8 games and opponents know that your job is to hang outside the arc and pop a 3 attempt every time DD finally decides she's too tired to shoot, that puts your offense at a disadvantage as defenses know where to concentrate.

One of the most stunning stats for UTenn even with Russell and Graves in the lineup along with a DD who can get some rebounds is that the team is in a 4-way tie for 84th in the rebound margin stat. That used to be one stat that you could always count on the Vols to be pretty good in when all other stats failed. Not so much now. And though UTenn may have been in the AP poll since 1984 because that poll ends with the regular season\ conference tourneys, the Vols did slip out of the Coaches poll after the Ball State game in 2009. There's a healthy (unhealthy) chance it could happen again.

 

[easttexastrash]

Hard to keep making excuses about when any kind of coherent play will develop for UTenn. Pretty pathetic to say that just because a longtime Vol player did not play much last year that she should be treated as some kind of newbie who needs to make baby steps getting back into the system. The Vols starters had 288 combined games as UTenn players entering the season, and the fifth starter had 36 games with UNC plus a full season last year to practice the Vol system even if she was not playing in games. Just like UConn fans do not expect Butler to finally step on the court as someone clueless to the the Husky system, DeShields should be pretty well set at this point as to how the team is expected to play. Any kind of whines about how the starters haven't had enough time together to contend with a VTech are in the just-wow category.

And as ES noted, the four currently injured players haven't exactly been shining lights for the Vols, so how much better would the team be with them except for some breather minutes? Three of them -- Jones, Middleton, Nared -- have a combined shooting percentage of around 38%, so that's not going to help the current 41.4% much if any. I know Jones and Dunbar are forwards, but their combined A\TO ratio of 0.49 is also an issue. Dunbar shoots a little better at about 46%, but if you average less than 1 assist every 8 games and opponents know that your job is to hang outside the arc and pop a 3 attempt every time DD finally decides she's too tired to shoot, that puts your offense at a disadvantage as defenses know where to concentrate.

One of the most stunning stats for UTenn even with Russell and Graves in the lineup along with a DD who can get some rebounds is that the team is in a 4-way tie for 84th in the rebound margin stat. That used to be one stat that you could always count on the Vols to be pretty good in when all other stats failed. Not so much now. And though UTenn may have been in the AP poll since 1984 because that poll ends with the regular season\ conference tourneys, the Vols did slip out of the Coaches poll after the Ball State game in 2009. There's a healthy (unhealthy) chance it could happen again.

You call it making excuses, some call it unbiased, objective analysis.

 

[meyers7]

VolNation posters may be clapping for Crystal... they're not that foolish, reasonable site overall in my opinion

Oh geez.

 

[meyers7]

Will she be old enough? If so it wouldn't surprise me.

She'll be 21. I believe you have to be 22 in the year of the draft. She'll have to wait til after her Jr year. She may or may not go then. She doesn't need the money.

 

[DobbsRover2]

You call it making excuses, some call it unbiased, objective analysis.

Well, as said in the old Crystal-DeNiro film, Analyze This: 39th in the Sagarin ratings for a team that was roundly cited in preseason projections as being in the Top 4 to 8 on the BY and elsewhere, with posters on certain sites down south even thinking NC game. Even if the top 3 players were afflicted for the first 8 games with irritable bowel syndrome, that shouldn't come close to happening with the heralded group. Doesn't matter if an opinion is unbiased and objective if it's devoid of clues.

 

[easttexastrash]

Well, as said in the old Crystal-DeNiro film, Analyze This: 39th in the Sagarin ratings for a team that was roundly cited in preseason projections as being in the Top 4 to 8 on the BY and elsewhere, with posters on certain sites down south even thinking NC game. Even if the top 3 players were afflicted for the first 8 games with irritable bowel syndrome, that shouldn't come close to happening with the heralded group. Doesn't matter if an opinion is unbiased and objective if it's devoid of clues.

I guess time will tell. I do not have feelings of love or hatred for Tennessee so I have no desire either way for them to improve or not improve.

 

[EricSD]

I guess time will tell. I do not have feelings of love or hatred for Tennessee so I have no desire either way for them to improve or not improve.

Well, you certainly are in the minority on this board with that particular opinion!

 

[DobbsRover2]

Well, you certainly are in the minority on this board with that particular opinion!

And this is maybe the first time in my life that I'm proud to be part of the moral majority.

 

[UcMiami]

And this is maybe the first time in my life that I'm proud to be part of the moral majority.

It may be the Majority, but who you accusing of being Moral?!
Them's fighten words to this here cigar smoking, whiskey drinking, unreformed yankee!

 

[WestCoastFan]

I don't believe Dangerfield would have gone to UT even if they were doing well and not on a slide. Crystal has stated that she has wanted to go to UConn from an early age. Unfortunately , the Tenn slide started when Summit stepped down , and it could get worse before it starts to get better. Getting Te'a Cooper was a good pick-up. But who's to say whether Cooper was THE prize or a consolation ? Both are good.

But I am elated to have the Dangerous One pulling on a Huskie jersey next year. Maybe when they meet in the FF in the near future they can settle which one was THE PRIZE. And which was the Consolation.

Tenn in the FF? Oh, you're talking about 2008. Now I get it.

 

[WestCoastFan]

Tennessee has a very wealthy athletics department so I think they'd be willing to pay a top coach. They're not paying Holly particularly well, though.

I'm not convinced, Cockhrn. You might be right, but unfortunately, many schools view women's sports as a "nice to have". As long they can turn a profit (even a small one) and the coach/team doesn't embarrass the school, they'll keep the coach around indefinitely. If we were talking about a premier men's team, I would agree without reservation.

Geno said it best: As long as coaches in WBB aren't held accountable for lousy play, the sport will never improve.

 

[jsloanjr]

I feel sorry for the LV fans who have supported this team for a long time and have watched a once great team collapse since 2007/2008 season.....

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

I'm not convinced, Cockhrn. You might be right, but unfortunately, many schools view women's sports as a "nice to have". As long they can turn a profit (even a small one) and the coach/team doesn't embarrass the school, they'll keep the coach around indefinitely. If we were talking about a premier men's team, I would agree without reservation.

Geno said it best: As long as coaches in WBB aren't held accountable for lousy play, the sport will never improve.

I know that a lot of (non-wbb Gamecock fans) complained about what we were paying Dawn, but now that she's winning big, I haven't heard a single complaint in several years that she's making in excess of a million per year.

 

[WestCoastFan]

I know that a lot of (non-wbb Gamecock fans) complained about what we were paying Dawn, but now that she's winning big, I haven't heard a single complaint in several years that she's making in excess of a million per year.

She earns it too.

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

She earns it too.

More than any other coach at USC, she is engaged with fans on twitter, in the community, etc. Even though she was from Philly, her mother was born and raised just outside Columbia and she has tons of family at the games.

 

[meyers7]

I feel sorry for the LV fans who have supported this team for a long time and have watched a once great team collapse since 2007/2008 season.....

Why? No reason to feel sorry for them. They chose their lot. People need to pay the price for poor choices.

 

[DobbsRover2]

Why? No reason to feel sorry for them. They chose their lot. People need to pay the price for poor choices.

Well lah-de-dah on you for acting all high and superior just because you didn't make the mistake like some of us did thinking that S-e-x Lives of the Potato Men and Gigli were going to be fun to watch. I really resent those who feel those of us who did should keep suffering from our terrible traumas the rest of our sorry lives.

 

[WestCoastFan]

Well lah-de-dah on you for acting all high and superior just because you didn't make the mistake like some of us did thinking that S-e-x Lives of the Potato Men and Gigli were going to be fun to watch. I really resent those who feel those of us who did should keep suffering from our terrible traumas the rest of our sorry lives.

Hey...my daughter wanted to go see "The Purge" a few years ago. We were visiting NYC, staying downtown by the memorial. I told her I didn't want to pay for that crap. She said "I'll pay, Pops." So, after paying $30 for two tickets (matinee, no less) and torturing ourselves for almost 2 hours, she threw a fit and got her money back. Unfortunately, the trauma remains. I asked her if she wanted to see "Purge 2". She started shaking and had to leave the room.

Makes up for me taking her and her brother to "Pokemon: The Movie"!

 

[pinotbear]

Well lah-de-dah on you for acting all high and superior just because you didn't make the mistake like some of us did thinking that S-e-x Lives of the Potato Men and Gigli were going to be fun to watch. I really resent those who feel those of us who did should keep suffering from our terrible traumas the rest of our sorry lives.

"..Potato Men" I could understand, but, you get no slack for "Gigli"!

 

[DobbsRover2]

Hey...my daughter wanted to go see "The Purge" a few years ago. We were visiting NYC, staying downtown by the memorial. I told her I didn't want to pay for that crap. She said "I'll pay, Pops." So, after paying $30 for two tickets (matinee, no less) and torturing ourselves for almost 2 hours, she threw a fit and got her money back. Unfortunately, the trauma remains. I asked her if she wanted to see "Purge 2". She started shaking and had to leave the room.

Makes up for me taking her and her brother to "Pokemon: The Movie"!

Yeah, both my wife and I celebrated big time when the "young children movie era" had passed and we didn't have to draw lots to see which parent was on theater-with-the-kids duty. Even taking my son and his 12-year-old friends to see Team America was better than Pokemon stuff, even if we lucked out with the Diseny's flicks at the time. Little did we know that Robin Williams as the Genie's "I can't believe I'm losing to a rug" line would become so appropriate years later in a presidential primary race.

 

[Carnac]

You may see her declare for the draft after this season.

Sonny44, I could not agree with you more. Diamond is not the most stable player we've come to know (I could be wrong, time will tell). If I am, I'll take a seat at the bar, and ask for my plate of "crow". I think she's just cocky enough to do that.

Depending on the "weather outlook", or forecast at the end of this season, It would not surprise me at all if she took a page out her "Jewel Loyd" handbook, and bailed out of Knoxville for greener pastures in the WNBA. You know she'd go in the 1st round.

 

[WestCoastFan]

Sonny44, I could not agree with you more. Diamond is not the most stable player we've come to know (I could be wrong, time will tell). If I am, I'll take a seat at the bar, and ask for my plate of "crow". I think she's just cocky enough to do that.

Depending on the "weather outlook", or forecast at the end of this season, It would not surprise me at all if she took a page out her "Jewel Loyd" handbook, and bailed out of Knoxville for greener pastures in the WNBA. You know she'd go in the 1st round.

For some reason, I get the impression she's not in college to get her degree. Her "me-first" game is perfect for that league filled with crappy coaching and "run fast/jump high" individuals.