Rank the OBE programs Now...

[sdhusky]

OBE = Old/Original. (Yes to Pitt, no to UofL) since 1979 to present

1) UConn
2) Villanova
3) Syracuse
4) Georgetown
5) St Johns
6) Pitt
7) PC
8) SH

 

[HuskyHawk]

OBE = Old/Original. (Yes to Pitt, no to UofL) since 1979 to present

1) UConn
2) Villanova
3) Syracuse
4) Georgetown
5) St Johns
6) Pitt
7) PC
8) SH

All time or at present?

 

[King Jonathan]

OBE = Old/Original. (Yes to Pitt, no to UofL) since 1979 to present

1) UConn
2) Villanova
3) Syracuse
4) Georgetown
5) St Johns
6) Pitt
7) PC
8) SH

thats sounds pretty good actually - but if tourney results are factored heavily would move Pitt down under PC.

 

[sdhusky]

All time or at present?

since 1979 to present

 

[HuskyHawk]

since 1979 to present

It's a tough call. I'm tempted to put Georgetown 2, Nova 3, Syracuse 4. But you can make a case for any of the three in any of those spots.

 

[MattMang23]

thats sounds pretty good actually - but if tourney results are factored heavily would move Pitt down under PC.

Lol tourney results as the determining factor to move Provy above another team.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

I think UConn Nova Cuse clearly in top tier.

Georgetown in the middle.

Pitt hasn't really won anything in the big dance but they've been pretty good for a pretty decent amount of time, i know they don't have a final 4 but St John's, PC and the hall weren't even a factor most years in the Big East.

I'll then go St John's, the hall and then PC.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Don't forget BCU bringing up the rear.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

I think UConn Nova Cuse clearly in top tier.

Georgetown in the middle.

Pitt hasn't really won anything in the big dance but they've been pretty good for a pretty decent amount of time, i know they don't have a final 4 but St John's, PC and the hall weren't even a factor most years in the Big East.

I'll then go St John's, the hall and then PC.

SJU, PC, and Hall have all been to Final Fours as a member of the OBE.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

SJU, PC, and Hall have all been to Final Fours as a member of the OBE.

My grammar on that was a disaster.

Meant Pitt without a final 4.

 

[Jerry1714]

thats sounds pretty good actually - but if tourney results are factored heavily would move Pitt down under PC.

Do you realize PC has 1 tournament game in the last 20 years?

 

[tzznandrew]

Do you realize PC has 1 tournament game in the last 20 years?

From '79 to today:

Tournament Appearances: Pitt- 21, PC - 10
S16s: Pitt - 5, PC - 2
E8s: PC - 2, Pitt - 1
FF: PC - 1, Pitt - 0

Both teams have had mediocre post-season success. What do you value more, Regional Finals and Final Fours, or seasons of consistency. If there were titles involved, it would be easier; but neither has won a title, so I'd probably take Pitt...

The Syracuse-Georgetown-Villanova trio is interesting. Syracuse has more title appearances and Final Fours than the others, Georgetown had the most dominating teams, and Villanova has the most titles. I go 1) Nova, 2) Cuse, 3) GTown.

 

[Jerry1714]

From '79 to today:

Tournament Appearances: Pitt- 21, PC - 10
S16s: Pitt - 5, PC - 2
E8s: PC - 2, Pitt - 1
FF: PC - 1, Pitt - 0

Both teams have had mediocre post-season success. What do you value more, Regional Finals and Final Fours, or seasons of consistency. If there were titles involved, it would be easier; but neither has won a title, so I'd probably take Pitt...

The Syracuse-Georgetown-Villanova trio is interesting. Syracuse has more title appearances and Final Fours than the others, Georgetown had the most dominating teams, and Villanova has the most titles. I go 1) Nova, 2) Cuse, 3) GTown.

Pitt has also won 16 NCAAT games in the last 20 years, PC has won 1. PC may as well be Winthrop or MTSU the last two decades.

There is no way I could put PC ahead of Pitt because of 1 fluke run to the FF by PC almost 30 years ago.

As for Nova, Cuse and Gtown, I guess I go Nova 1, but I would go Gtown over Cuse.

 

[tzznandrew]

Pitt has also won 16 NCAAT games in the last 20 years, PC has won 1. PC may as well be Winthrop or MTSU the last two decades.

There is no way I could put PC ahead of Pitt because of 1 fluke run to the FF by PC almost 30 years ago.

As for Nova, Cuse and Gtown, I guess I go Nova 1, but I would go Gtown over Cuse.

While I come to the same conclusion as you, the post isn't 1997-2016, it's 1979-2016, so my presumption of that is we have to ignore the recency bias.

Pitt won 4 NCAA games from 1979-2001, despite having a 2 and a 3 seed among their appearances, and never got farther than the second round.
In that same period, Providence had 7 wins, all in two runs: one to the FF and one to the E8.

All this is to say: Pitt has always Pitt'ed in the NCAAs, and from about 1979-2008 or so I'd consider putting PC above Pitt, although Pitt probably passed them around 2004 or so.