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Race for 1 Seed (2/5)

auror said:
Florida winning is just about closing the door on the 1 seed.
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I think that ship may have sailed yea.
FLA UCONN
Net 4 9
Kenpom 4 10
KPI 4 5
Torvick 4 9
WAB 6 4
BPI 4 10
SOR 5 4
 
Rooting interests for East #2
For: Zona, Houston, Bama, UVA
Against: Duke, Illinois, Nebraska
 
aceboon said:
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Would love this but would be equally shocked the committee doesn’t put Houston in the south when they try to minimize aggregate travel when slotting seeds into regions
 
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Illinois, Iowa State and Michigan State all lost today. Does that help us at all or not really since we were the top 2 seed already?
 
Frankly, I can’t believe I’m even wasting time on this when we’re playing for silverware tonight, but with my apologies to FCF and because this is the thread:

Our seeding predictions the last few weeks have been as high as they are because of two factors: best 3 wins and WAB. When I woke up Friday morning we were 4th in WAB, marginally ahead of both Florida and Houston. With wins against better competition than Georgetown, they both passed us yesterday. Any chance of being seeded ahead of them requires that we win tonight and both of them don’t win their conference championship. Not saying that will be enough, but without those events we’re not passing them.

Not that it matters a lot — what matters a lot is winning tonight. So that was my only post today about seeding and now it’s time to look at train schedules.
 
businesslawyer said:
Frankly, I can’t believe I’m even wasting time on this when we’re playing for silverware tonight, but with my apologies to FCF and because this is the thread:

Our seeding predictions the last few weeks have been as high as they are because of two factors: best 3 wins and WAB. When I woke up Friday morning we were 4th in WAB, marginally ahead of both Florida and Houston. With wins against better competition than Georgetown, they both passed us yesterday. Any chance of being seeded ahead of them requires that we win tonight and both of them don’t win their conference championship. Not saying that will be enough, but without those events we’re not passing them.

Not that it matters a lot — what matters a lot is winning tonight. So that was my only post today about seeding and now it’s time to look at train schedules.
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I think the order of seeds going into today is as follows:

1. Duke
2. Michigan
3. Arizona
4. Florida
5. Houston
6. UConn

It gets kind of murky after that. You have Iowa St, Purdue, Michigan St and Illinois battling for the last 2 seeds. As of this morning I would have it:

7. Iowa St
8. Michigan St.
9. Purdue
10. Illinois

Purdue can jump Michigan St if it wins today imo.

Even if Duke wins tonight and claims the overall Number 1 seed, I think there is a chance we can be in the East, if we are NOT the best 2 seed. Let's say Duke wins tonight, along with Houston over Arizona. I think if Florida gets to the SEC final, with the timing of their championship game on Sunday, they will be placed as a 1 in the South, with them moving them to the 2 line if they lose, and moving up Houston to a 1. So you could have:

East: 1. Duke 6. UConn
South: 4. Florida 5. Houston
Midwest: 2. Michigan 7. Iowa St.
West: 3. Arizona 8. Michigan St/Purdue

Thoughts?
 
bendm said:
Would love this but would be equally shocked the committee doesn’t put Houston in the south when they try to minimize aggregate travel when slotting seeds into regions
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The hardened rule is top 2 cannot be in same bracket as top 1.

Next rule they really try is an under seed should not have a better home court benefit than the upper seed.

This is why if we were top seed in the South, Houston would be moved due to Toyota Center being 3 miles from UHouston.

Because of the SEC teams they have to also move them around to spread them out.
 
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Lafayette said:
The hardened rule is top 2 cannot be in same bracket as top 1.

Next rule they really try is an under seed should not have a better home court benefit than the upper seed.

This is why if we were top seed in the South, Houston would be moved due to Toyota Center being 3 miles from UHouston.

Because of the SEC teams they have to also move them around to spread them out.
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Then why has Houston been the 2 in the south in almost every bracket I’ve seen?
 
bendm said:
Idk where you get this stuff. Houston is the 2 in the south in almost every bracket.
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  • Top-seeded teams (first four lines) will not be placed where they would face a significant home-crowd disadvantage.
source: How the field of 68 DI men’s teams is picked for March Madness

This inferred that if Houston is in the South as a 2, the 1 seed in the South should not be more disadvantaged so easiest thing to do is move Houston out.
 
bendm said:
Then why has Houston been the 2 in the south in almost every bracket I’ve seen?
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Lafayette said:
  • Top-seeded teams (first four lines) will not be placed where they would face a significant home-crowd disadvantage.
source: How the field of 68 DI men’s teams is picked for March Madness

This inferred that if Houston is in the South as a 2, the 1 seed in the South should not be more disadvantaged so easiest thing to do is move Houston out.
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The geographic protections only apply to the first weekend, which is why Houston can and likely will be placed in the South
 
BFieldHusky said:
I think the order of seeds going into today is as follows:

1. Duke
2. Michigan
3. Arizona
4. Florida
5. Houston
6. UConn

It gets kind of murky after that. You have Iowa St, Purdue, Michigan St and Illinois battling for the last 2 seeds. As of this morning I would have it:

7. Iowa St
8. Michigan St.
9. Purdue
10. Illinois

Purdue can jump Michigan St if it wins today imo.

Even if Duke wins tonight and claims the overall Number 1 seed, I think there is a chance we can be in the East, if we are NOT the best 2 seed. Let's say Duke wins tonight, along with Houston over Arizona. I think if Florida gets to the SEC final, with the timing of their championship game on Sunday, they will be placed as a 1 in the South, with them moving them to the 2 line if they lose, and moving up Houston to a 1. So you could have:

East: 1. Duke 6. UConn
South: 4. Florida 5. Houston
Midwest: 2. Michigan 7. Iowa St.
West: 3. Arizona 8. Michigan St/Purdue

Thoughts?
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I agree that Houston can move to the 1 line over FL if Houston beats AZ and FL doesn't win the SEC. Houston has a better WAB than FL now and will pass them in the NET if they beat AZ.

If Houston and FL both lose then UConn has an outside shot at the 1 seed with a win tonight.
 
navery12 said:
The geographic protections only apply to the first weekend, which is why Houston can and likely will be placed in the South
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If Houston as a 2 gets to Houston the press conference before that S16 or E8 game will have reporters asking why the selection committee rewarded a 2 seed more than a 1 seed.

Can you imagine if it was UConn as a 1 and Hurleys presser would be NC-17.

I tend to think the selection committee knows this and will try…But if Houston beats AZ that makes this easier.
 
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Lafayette said:
If Houston as a 2 gets to Houston the press conference before that S16 or E8 game will have reporters asking why the selection committee rewarded a 2 seed more than a 1 seed.

Can you imagine if it was UConn as a 1 and Hurleys presser would be NC-17.

I tend to think the selection committee knows this and will try…But if Houston beats AZ that makes this easier.
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How many times has Duke or UNC been the 2 in Greensboro NC?
 
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BFieldHusky said:
East: 1. Duke 6. UConn
South: 4. Florida 5. Houston
Midwest: 2. Michigan 7. Iowa St.
West: 3. Arizona 8. Michigan St/Purdue
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So the issue becomes if Zona beats Houston and we beat SJU. Are we then 5 on the s-curve? We’d still need Duke to lose and Zona to become #1 overall, just to be safe I think.
 
bendm said:
So the issue becomes if Zona beats Houston and we beat SJU. Are we then 5 on the s-curve? We’d still need Duke to lose and Zona to become #1 overall, just to be safe I think.
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You are right. That scenario I listed was if Houston won tonight. I agree we would jump them if we win tonight and they lose.
 
Lafayette said:
Greensboro is 3 miles from their campuses?
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Houston gave up the right to “host” and they played fewer than 3 games at the Toyota center just so they could be in the south, this has been a long time coming.
 
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BFieldHusky said:
Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather by a 2 seed in the East than a 1 in the South with Florida or Houston.

I think Duke is more vulnerable with their injuries than Florida, or Houston in their backyard.
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In theory I agree but the 1 seed has a slightly easier path to the elite 8 than a 2 seed does. I think I'd rather be the 1 seed and take my chances the 2 seed loses before the elite 8.
 
bendm said:
Houston gave up the right to “host” and they played fewer than 3 games at the Toyota center just so they could be in the south, this has been a long time coming.
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Yes but I still think if they were a 1 seed it would be moot and they get it. To play as the 2 is a massive dis to the 1 seed.

Let’s say Duke loses to VA today and get moved down to South 1 and Houston is South 2. The amount if whining and complaining from Doookies would be legendary.
 
Lafayette said:
Yes but I still think if they were a 1 seed it would be moot and they get it. To play as the 2 is a massive dis to the 1 seed.

Let’s say Duke loses to VA today and get moved down to South 1 and Houston is South 2. The amount if whining and complaining from Doookies would be legendary.
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Who is Duke losing the 1 East to w/a loss?
 
bendm said:
Have you looked at a map lately?? Our geographic preference is obviously DC followed by Chicago then Houston.
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That’s my point dingus.

The question was “why would we prefer the 2 seed on the East”.
 
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