Race for 1 Seed (2/5)

[BFieldHusky]

What is your take man? That we had a team that could go into that F4 and win games? I'm honesty not sure what your take is? That we were as good as Florida? What is your contrary take? I'd like to hear it. Lay it out for me. Pose the argument rather than call out the poster. I'm saying last years Uconn team would go 0-12 against last year's F4. What is your view?

My take, and I believe others as well, is not that we had a team that was destined to go to the Final 4, or a team as good as Florida. The beauty of the NCAA tournament that you seem to gloss over REPEATEDLY, is that in March you only need to beat a team once. And last year, in a game we all saw, UConn lost to Florida by 2, while shooting 28%, being outrebounded by 5, and being -12 in FTs.

I have no idea if UConn would have gone 0-12 against Florida, Houston, Duke and Auburn if they played them 3x. What I know is what I saw...we went toe to toe with Florida while playing our B game. It's not a hypothetical, it's a fact.

You look like an idiot with these takes. One game to another, especially in the tournament, doesn't always lead to success or failure. In 2014, we needed a miracle 3 point play by AB to even force OT in the 1st round against a 10th seeded St. Joe's. That shouldn't have led to a championship run, but it did. That's sports.

 

[FightOnCT]

Here's the catch - they likely wouldn't play the way they did that game. They won the NC against one of the stronger fields in recent memory. Certain posters here want to translate select outcomes as a team that was NC caliber.

Last years team stunk. They caught an exceptional Florida team off guard.

Florida had an incredibly flimsy run where they were playing catchup to all sorts of opponents and if I can recall, we attempted about 14 more shots than they did and uncharacteristically bricked them. They also swatted rebounds into Florida’s hands at the FT line.

Maybe they wouldn’t play the same way in a best of 10, but that’s the basis of a single-elimination tournament. Can’t even say the team stunk last year because they wouldn’t have been an 8 seed if they did with multiple Q1A wins. And that’s including the Seton Hall loss. Based on how UConn-Florida played out, you’d logically assume UConn could take at least one in a 10 game series anyways.

I personally agree with your takes usually on recruits and criticisms of teams including ours, but I disagree with the overall value you place on them. UConn was mid but not terrible, Florida was great but not exceptional.

 

[RuffRuff]

Florida had an incredibly flimsy run where they were playing catchup to all sorts of opponents and if I can recall, we attempted about 14 more shots than they did and uncharacteristically bricked them. They also swatted rebounds into Florida’s hands at the FT line.

Flimsy run? They went through one of the better fields in the past 20 years. They had a higher KP than the 2024 Uconn team. (article above). They won a conference tourney that was called one of the best conferences ever. The REALISTIC take would be that Uconn's unique system took them by surprise, and that the much better team would have adjusted and figured it out in ensuing games. It wasn't a two point game - McNeeley made a prayer back door three on the back end. That Florida team had an all star front court, an AA PG and two really good off guards. They were better than Uconn at every position on the court. Every single one.

The distortion of reality is uncanny. It's because we didn't blow out the field like a UConn team did, it's a "flimsy" run. Everything is twisted to glorify UConn and disregard the accomplishments of other programs.

Florida's case vs. 2024 UConn, 2001 Duke to be considered 21st century's best college basketball champion

The Gators had a historically treacherous path and a historically high finish at KenPom

www.cbssports.com

 

[FightOnCT]

1. KenPom’s adujsted NET ratings are NOT meant to be compared across different seasons. They are all relative to their own given years, and last year could be explained by the possibility that the field had less parity than usual seeing as how chalk the tourney went.

2. The run was objectively flimsy. Multiple comebacks from behind reliant on timely shots, missed FTs, missed rebounds, etc. I said the team was great, but at least 3 games where if the perfect circumstances don’t land, and they’re out. Could’ve been as early as the 2nd round.

3. Lmao a 5 point vs 2 point game changes absolutely nothing to the point, I saw the game too. Did you not think we had chance to win or something? UConn had a lead late and fumbled it. In fact, you yourself had mentioned the fact that we significantly outshot them, which would usually translate to a win. That’s why I even brought it up.

4. My guy, we’re not Florida fans, it’s ok to recognize a great team had a flimsy run 😭. I purposefully didn’t compare them to ‘24 UConn.

 

[Inyatkin]

He likes being yelled at online. It’s the only explanation

 

[RuffRuff]

He likes being yelled at online. It’s the only explanation

BY Honesty Broker🤣

 

[Inyatkin]

BY Honesty Broker🤣

I might choose a different title

 

[7774]

BY Honesty Broker🤣

It’s not honestly, it’s just what extremely low brain function perceives as honesty.

 

[RuffRuff]

It’s not honestly, it’s just what extremely low brain function perceives as honesty.

Using personal insults is typically seen as a low form of brain functionality. All I try to do is position some truth that isn't one sided.

 

[huskyharry]

So if we had our choice, would we pick 1 seed in the south with Houston as the 2 or 2 seed in the East with Duke as the 1? Our record is the same in either scenario, but just a question if you had a choice.

Very happy with either…or any other one or two seed TBH

 

[Inyatkin]

Using personal insults is typically seen as a low form of brain functionality. All I try to do is position some truth that isn't one sided.

It’s not one sided to acknowledge a game that actually happened rather than pretend it didn’t

We played Florida close. That happened. This whole argument is you trying to say that real event we all witnessed was actually impossible

 

[7774]

Using personal insults is typically seen as a low form of brain functionality. All I try to do is position some truth that isn't one sided.

Yeah that’s something idiots came up with to make themselves feel better about their low level of ability. Basically everything you say is just your opinion which you state as truth.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Here's the catch - they likely wouldn't play the way they did that game. They won the NC against one of the stronger fields in recent memory. Certain posters here want to translate select outcomes as a team that was NC caliber.

Last years team stunk. They caught an exceptional Florida team off guard.

Texas Tech was a really good 3 seed. We were an 8 seed.

We didn't beat anyone better than an 8 seed that whole year.

Florida's case vs. 2024 UConn, 2001 Duke to be considered 21st century's best college basketball champion

The Gators had a historically treacherous path and a historically high finish at KenPom

www.cbssports.com

Late to this game, but I want to put my two cents in on your "one of the stronger fields in recent memory" comment, but I also want to seriously question the article you linked, which claims last year's Florida team was better than the prior year's UConn team.

For openers, no team last year would have been able to pull off a single digit loss against either 2024 UConn or 2024 Purdue. I'm not sure anyone could have handled 2024 Alabama.

Next, I want to know what hallucinogens the author of that article was experimenting with when he viewed 25 Florida being superior to 24 UConn as a legitimate premise. Our defense would have clamped down their perimeter shooting and they would have had less success in close than Illinois.

It baffles me that people have forgotten about our 24 team in such a short amount of time.

 

[RuffRuff]

It’s not one sided to acknowledge a game that actually happened rather than pretend it didn’t

We played Florida close. That happened. This whole argument is you trying to say that real event we all witnessed was actually impossible

We did - and we lost. And they are titanically better than last years team. Better at each position on floor. We didn’t beat anything better than an 8 seed last year. There is no evidence we’d beat them, as they beat a great field and had a dominant year.

Yeah that’s something idiots came up with to make themselves feel better about their low level of ability. Basically everything you say is just your opinion which you state as truth.

I’m using data and info and you’re using hunches? Their KP was 15 pts higher than ours. I think if you ran it on KP, Florida would win the next 9. So we should go on your hunch?

 

[KingAG]

We did - and we lost. And they are titanically better than last years team. Better at each position on floor. We didn’t beat anything better than an 8 seed last year. There is no evidence we’d beat them, as they beat a great field and had a dominant year.

I’m using data and info and you’re using hunches? Their KP was 15 pts higher than ours. I think if you ran it on KP, Florida would win the next 9. So we should go on your hunch?

Appealing to KP’s authority now. Lmfao. What RuffRuff thinks is sufficient. No one cares who Ken Pomeroy’s numbers thinks is capable of winning.

 

[navery12]

There is no evidence we’d beat them, as they beat a great field and had a dominant year.

The evidence we could beat them is the real life game that happened in the round of 32. If you think a 2 point loss means Florida would win 10 of 10 times then you're even dumber than I originally thought

 

[BFieldHusky]

The evidence we could beat them is the real life game that happened in the round of 32. If you think a 2 point loss means Florida would win 10 of 10 times then you're even dumber than I originally thought

He is that dumb @navery12 as he continues to double and triple down on this take.

 

[UConNick]

Reading the last two pages of this thread is 10 minutes I’ll never get back.

The one seed chances obviously took a hit with the loss last week, but maybe only a small one. And even though they lost, Duke is still likely ahead of us on the s-curve. That said, I’m not sure we fall from that fourth one seed slot. Houston and ISU are great but don’t have as many big-time wins as we do (though they’ve got a lot of chances coming up), and that loss to Cincy by the Cyclones is pretty funny.

I’ve got an s-curve that looks like this: 1. AZ, 2. Mich, 3. Duke, 4. Us, 5. Hou, 6. ISU, 7. Neb, 8. Ill.

As before, we have to continue doing what we’ve generally been good at doing this season: find a way to win.

 

[RuffRuff]

The evidence we could beat them is the real life game that happened in the round of 32. If you think a 2 point loss means Florida would win 10 of 10 times then you're even dumber than I originally thought

What do you think KP would say when theirs was 16 pts higher than ours? Let me answer that for you - 10/10. We didn’t beat better than a 8 seed all year and we think we’d beat the best team in the country. There is a small group here that gets but hurt when their imaginations are contested. We lost - we were down 7 under a minute. Any game after that would be an even heavier favorite to FL. The more talented team will have the advantage the more a times they play a team. You can only surprise a team once.

 

[Inyatkin]

We did - and we lost. And they are titanically better than last years team. Better at each position on floor. We didn’t beat anything better than an 8 seed last year. There is no evidence we’d beat them, as they beat a great field and had a dominant year.

I’m using data and info and you’re using hunches? Their KP was 15 pts higher than ours. I think if you ran it on KP, Florida would win the next 9. So we should go on your hunch?

I can’t even follow what you’re arguing anymore. “They are titanically better than last year’s team.” Who? Florida? What are we even talking about?

You made one dumb point— that last year’s team had no shot against the Final Four teams— which is disproven by the actual game, and you keep repeating yourself.

I’d block you but you post so much every thread would be (even more) unreadable

 

[navery12]

What do you think KP would say when theirs was 16 pts higher than ours? Let me answer that for you - 10/10. We didn’t beat better than a 8 seed all year and we think we’d beat the best team in the country. There is a small group here that gets but hurt when their imaginations are contested. We lost - we were down 7 under a minute. Any game after that would be an even heavier favorite to FL. The more talented team will have the advantage the more a times they play a team. You can only surprise a team once.

You seem to lack a basic understanding of probability and odds, I wouldn't even discuss that with you let alone the intricacies of advanced metrics. It is possible that we were not a good team and also that the odds of winning a single game in a 10 game series is not 0

 

[FightOnCT]

Anyways, Kansas winning tonight should strengthen our case