Question on shot mechanics

[BobbyJ]

1) I played 4 years of high school and 4 years of college and also coached. So we have a semantics problem. How do you differentiate Curry's 3 point shot and MJ's or Kobe's or Brunson's? Or Paige's pull up from 5 feet vs. her 3 point shot? No difference in your definition? I see a major difference. One is a classic pure jump shot where the player reaches the top of their jump, then releases, doesn't release on the way up. That's what Ash does and that's why legs are so important. Paige has both shots one of which (her 3) is a hybrid of a set and jump shot.
2) So every shot from every player where they leave the floor is a jump shot, including layups, hook shots, etc? How about a foul shot where a player leaves their feet as they shoot? We both know that is not the case.
3) It's your body that is squared up, not your feet but your feet are squared up to the rim meaning they are in plane with it. If your body is at an angle to the rim, or your feet are it's a much harder shot. Every good shooter squares up when they receive the pass for a shot or when they stop their dribble to pull up for one. Watch Ash's feet. Sometimes she is not squared up and still shoots the J but often that shot misses.

This debate should be about Ash and her mechanics which I think are exemplary. As I said I think it is an energy and confidence issue. Also, a great defender can stop almost anyone. Not a Paige and not a JuJu though. If you ask me who is a better offensive player it's Paige. She goes to her left and has every shot needed and can create one on the fly.

1) I don't bother to, they are all jump shots and they just release at different heights and levels while in the air.
2) No, they are different shots with different arm movements. That's why they are called hooks, layups etc.
3) Curry, Durant, Bird etc. have/had no problem making shots and they all angle their body with the right side obviously ahead of the left. The photos don't lie.
4) I commented on Shade's mechanics in post #3.

 

[BBallF]

1) I don't bother to, they are all jump shots and they just release at different heights and levels while in the air.
2) No, they are different shots with different arm movements. That's why they are called hooks, layups etc.
3) Curry, Durant, Bird etc. have/had no problem making shots and they all angle their body with the right side obviously ahead of the left. The photos don't lie.
4) I commented on Shade's mechanics in post #3.

That's no set shot that Bueckers is shooting.

I think we exhausted this subject. Please rewatch the Paige video though. Notice how she squares up her body to the rim for every shot as she receives a pass or stops dribbling. All of the great shooters do this including Curry, Durant , Bird, Jordan, Kobe etc. When they release the arm they shoot with obviously goes ahead of the other arm and the body follows it and the fact that the shooting foot is ahead of the other does not effect it. Very few Dick Barnetts out there, the former Knick who actually lined up on the foul line at an acute angle. Enjoy the game. hopefully Ash will shoot freer and have a hot hand. She needs it and so do we.

 

[Steelerone]

I am wondering about Ashlynn’s shot mechanics. It seems to my inexpert eye that her shot is usually rather flat but when she‘s in the rhythm of the offense, the shot goes in, as though the shot was softer. After the ND game, I felt Ash took some unfounded criticism for her scoring as she was looking to score but her shots flattened out even more and were more like line drive fastballs than her usual shot. I’m guessing she was a bit nervous?

My questions:

1. Am I totally wrong on this re: the flat shots? I’m certainly no expert. Maybe I’m missing something.
2. Do Ash’s shooting mechanics change when she gets tight? If so, does it get corrected by just playing these games and letting her figure it out?

I think the criticism of Ash is unfortunate because she’s still a young player, only a sophomore, and she had never played at Purcell Arena, a perfect example of a hostile environment. She’s done so many things right, and so consistently, that I’m not as disappointed with her missing a few shots as other fans. She’s usually mentally tough so if the issue is a mental approach one and not a mechanics one, I have every confidence Ash will figure it out

HN, I recently posted a thread concerning shooting a few days ago and was criticized by a couple of boneyarders. My point was that I felt too many times the player, upon receiving the ball, almost in the same move as catching it, shot it. One of the most important parts of shooting is the position of the body and the majority of the time the player will have a second or two to do this, otherwise go into a dribble or pass the ball.

 

[mainerhuski]

It could be that the youngsters are still suffering from the Bahama's gym, which was like a low ceiling dance hall....

Hopefully, that will be cured tonight...

Go Huskies!!!

What a joke that Bahamas tourney was, abysmal attendance, frustratingly subpar broadcast & apparently several of the teams had players contract food poisoning!

 

[Barkin Out]

Yes, @HuskyNan, UConn did add a trajectory tracking system at Worth this year. It lets the kids know the angle at which the ball enters the hoop. The guy pedaling the system to the other coaches at the clinic seemed excited to have scored UCONN as a recognizable brand. Now, after 10 games, the huskies are ranked 90th in the country in 3 pt accuracy. This from a team that recruits some of the best shooters available. Not sure that a ringing endorsement of the product!

 

[packwrap]

It appears Ash read this thread tonight just before warmups.

 

[Barkin Out]

Yes, @HuskyNan, UConn did add a trajectory tracking system at Worth this year. It lets the kids know the angle at which the ball enters the hoop. The guy pedaling the system to the other coaches at the clinic seemed excited to have scored UCONN as a recognizable brand. Now, after 10 games, the huskies are ranked 90th in the country in 3 pt accuracy. This from a team that recruits some of the best shooters available. Not sure that a ringing endorsement of the product!

So glad this did not age well! Congratulations to Shade for a killer 1st quarter- love it. The show she and Paige put on was an unbelievable.

 

[BBallF]

It appears Ash read this thread tonight just before warmups.

Yeah, I think we fixed Ash's mechanics!

 

[Dugway]

Yeehaw

 

[DEFCONN1]

After watching the Iowa State game, I’d say Ashlynn’s mechanics are just fine.

 

[mainerhuski]

It appears Ash read this thread tonight just before warmups.

Just what I was thinking!

 

[meyers7]

Mechanics, shemanics. LOL.

 

[DennieEddy]

I was there, I was hoping for more information on slot machines rather than shot mechanics.

Great game, good food, fair drinks!

 

[LwrcasefaN]

This thread died a quick death. RIP

 

[OldSchooler]

OK, show of hands. How many of us were convinced that Ash had irretrievably lost the mechanics on her jumper? The arrogance of us potatoes thinking we can coach a slumping shooter from our couches better than Geno, CD & staff can at practice.

 

[Blond D.]

Fair enough. I just remember being taught by my coach — 50+ years ago — to rely on my wrists and forearm strength to get off a good shot.

When I was 11, it was impossible to avoid using some of the muscular force of my legs to propel even a 15 footer to the rim. By the time I was 17, I was strong enough to rely upon n my wrists and forearms alone and separate the action of my legs propelling me upwards into the jump from the action of my hands making the shot.

My coach would say, “the less you rely on leg force, the more consistent your shot will be.” Separating the two actions was more of an aspirational ideal, for me at least. But for a couple of the kids on the team, they were eventually able to realize it.

This is what I see especially clearly in Azzi. She shoots with wrist and forearm, not with hips and thighs. It’s beautiful. Other muscles are involved in the entire process, but they are not directly affected involved in propelling the ball to the hoop. Back shoulder and abdominal muscles create a stable platform. Legs and abdominals contribute to the jump.

As my high school physics teacher would say, there’s a vertical component and a parabolic component. The more you can keep those two things separate the easier each one will be.

Try and shoot a shot sitting down and you will see just how much your feet, legs and core is used.
You don't really feel it cuz youve practiced so much that its just a natural movement.

 

[Bone Dog]

Try and shoot a shot sitting down and you will see just how much your feet, legs and core is used.
You don't really feel it cuz youve practiced so much that its just a natural movement.

Good point. It reminds me of the videos Paige posted of her first rehab in which she practices shooting from a chair.

 

[BRS24]

Call me crazy, however it looked like Ash was doing more of a Paige "catch and shoot" and not taking the mini bunny hop before shooting? Did I see something that wasn't there?

 

[HuskyNan]

Call me crazy, however it looked like Ash was doing more of a Paige "catch and shoot" and not taking the mini bunny hop before shooting? Did I see something that wasn't there?

 

[BRS24]

Yeah, it was just me, and maybe only on one shot where I didn't see the mini hop.

 

[Bone Dog]

Yeah, it was just me, and maybe only on one shot where I didn't see the mini hop.

Is the mini hop traveling? Or do the refs assume their feet don’t really leave the floor?