Promoting stability: CBS/McMurphy- WVU begging KState prez for invite

[Rumrunner]

McMurphyCBS From Kansas City's 810-AM: West Virginia president "wearing out Kansas State president begging to get in Big 12"


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Can't blame WVU at all. I guess when the begging becomes public the BE football conference is past the point of no return.

 

[MattMang23]

Over/Under on how quickly Nelson says President Clements is just doing what he needs to and blames President Herbst for this? 2.5 hours.

 

[UConnJim]

I don't think Kansas State has much input into The Bevo Conference, I mean the Big 12 Conference, decisions.

 

[MattMang23]

I don't think Kansas State has much input into The Bevo Conference, I mean the Big 12 Conference, decisions.

Their President is the head of the expansion committee.

 

[UConnJim]

KSU President to Texas President: "We think we should add West Virginia to the conference."
Texas President to KSU President: "We were thinking of pushing you out of the conference."
KSU President to Texas President: "Never mind."

Texas and Oklahoma are debating 10 or 12 schools. The rest of the schools will say yes, sir!

 

[MattMang23]

KSU President to Texas President: "We think we should add West Virginia to the conference."
Texas President to KSU President: "We were thinking of pushing you out of the conference."
KSU President to Texas President: "Never mind."

Texas and Oklahoma are debating 10 or 12 schools. The rest of the schools will say yes, sir!

Indeed, but to lobby for inclusion, you'd probably start with the head of the expansion committee who would bring the issue to Texas and OU. Being the head of something doesn't necessarily mean mean you call the shots but it does mean you're the point of contact for other entities looking to do business.

 

[gars44]

McMurphyCBS From Kansas City's 810-AM: West Virginia president "wearing out Kansas State president begging to get in Big 12"

https://mobile.twitter.com/McMurphyCBS

Can't blame WVU at all. I guess when the begging becomes public the BE football conference is past the point of no return.

true. all we can really hope for at this point is that no one from the BE gets invited anywhere, and the BE teams start to rethink strategy. And agree to commit to each other.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Over/Under on how quickly Nelson says President Clements is just doing what he needs to and blames President Herbst for this? 2.5 hours.

Clements is an idiot too. What a clusterf***. The problem is none of them trust each other at all, and it has reached a point where there appears to be a schism in the league that may be irreparable.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Clements is an idiot too. What a clusterf***. The problem is none of them trust each other at all, and it has reached a point where there appears to be a schism in the league that may be irreparable.

Yes, and after hitting the iceberg there appeared to be damage to the ocean liner that may have been irreparable.

It is well past time to believe the ship can still float and it is ridiculous to call someone an idiot because he is looking for a lifeboat.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Yes, and after hitting the iceberg there appeared to be damage to the ocean liner that may have been irreparable.

It is well past time to believe the ship can still float and it is ridiculous to call someone an idiot because he is looking for a lifeboat.

That's right. Your philosophy is beg harder.

Even someone as dense as you should realize that the best way to get a lifeboat is to make them think that the Big East will survive. If you are telling them you have no other options, why should they bother to save you?

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I'm going to speculate that you've been the victim of a number of pump and dump investment scams yet still believe that you are getting in on the ground floor of the next Google or Microsoft everytime someone calls you with this incredible investment opportunity.

The only one who is dense is you. There is no way that other conferences will be gullible enough to think the BE is acting from a position of power solely because Marinatto is claiming all is well.


Come on, tell me again that ESPN wasn't operating under the belief that there was more money to be made with the ACC (plus Pitt & Cuse) and a weakened BE than how things were. You are showing yourself to be quite the fraud these days.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I'm going to speculate that you've been the victim of a number of pump and dump investment scams yet still believe that you are getting in on the ground floor of the next Google or Microsoft everytime someone calls you with this incredible investment opportunity.

The only one who is dense is you. There is no way that other conferences will be gullible enough to think the BE is acting from a position of power solely because Marinatto is claiming all is well.


Come on, tell me again that ESPN wasn't operating under the belief that there was more money to be made with the ACC (plus Pitt & Cuse) and a weakened BE than how things were. You are showing yourself to be quite the fraud these days.

I can tell you what happens when a buyer believes you have no other option than to sell. They offer you no money down and a commission on direct revenue you bring to the company, also called an "earnout". I have been both a buyer and a seller in those situations. It isn't pretty for the seller.

A seller would have to spectacularly idiotic to announce that they had no other options and hope for the best, and that is exactly what has happened. I have said "beg harder" would fail as fools like you were applauding it, and I have been proven right.

Read the ESPN money thread again, or at least the first 2 pages before it got weird. If you don't understand it, don't blame me. The thread shows my estimate of what ESPN believed the Big East was worth. Cutting a half sentence from an early post and saying "gotcha" is weak and shows both that a) you don't understand what I am saying so you are simply lashing out at bits and pieces and b) you are intellectually dishonest.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I'm not sure that this situation can be equated to buyers and sellers. If someone is looking to improve his employment position is he begging the companies he is looking at to hire him? Perhaps but it seldom is viewed this way. I've literally received thousands of resume's over the years from people who were gainfully employed but did want it known that they would consider changing jobs if the right position opened up. Until tonight I never thought of these people (well, in all honesty, those who had quality backgrounds) as beggars. There is absolutely nothing wrong with letting others know that you have quite a bit to offer if the opportunity arrives where they would be looking to add someone. Most people who operate in higher circles use this almost exclusively as a means to find better opportunities/bring in high quality, senior employees. I do fully understand however that you are unaware of this.

This biggest issue with your posts on this subject is that you still view the fact that the BE will not receive the mega-contract that you and Marinatto were convinced was imminent as a personal assault. It was not and that you were wrong in your prognostications is something that you need to get over. It appears however that your purpose has been to have a moment, similar to Eugene Levy's character in the movie Splash, after he soaked Darryl Hannah's character, exposing her as a mermaid, boasting to the world 'I was right!'. I imagine that another similarity you have with that character is when Tom Hanks said to him 'I didn't like you when I first met you' Levy replied 'nobody likes me when they first meet me!'. I is likely that you've said those exact words many times in your life.

Go ahead, make believe that things are great when the entire world knows things are looking quite difficult. That is a winning strategy.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Save yourself the long posts, because they are getting more disjointed and confusing as your "argument" falls apart. Now you are engaging in psychological analysis of me and my motives. This should be interesting.

UConn's athletic department is a $65 million business that Herbst is trying to sell, or at least that is how the Big East schools should be approaching this. There are a lot of basic components to a sales strategy because there is a big investment banking industry dedicated to this whose practitioners are very well compensated because they know what they are doing. The most important aspect of any sales strategy is that the buyer has to think there are alternatives for the seller.

No investment banker would approve of how the Big East is handling this.

 

[CTMike]

I think we should call your strategy pretend harder. Just pretend like you are operating from a position of strength and solidarity - everything will be fine. Worked quite well for Bear Stearns, yes?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I think we should call your strategy pretend harder. Just pretend like you are operating from a position of strength and solidarity - everything will be fine. Worked quite well for Bear Stearns, yes?

My solution is to get on with it. No one is coming to rescue us. We have to get moving on whatever is next, even if it isn't anyone's first choice. If the ACC sees us moving on, they will make a decision. If they see us destroying our own league and athletic program, they will not.

 

[Hoophound]

My solution is to get on with it. No one is coming to rescue us. We have to get moving on whatever is next, even if it isn't anyone's first choice. If the ACC sees us moving on, they will make a decision. If they see us destroying our own league and athletic program, they will not.

Aside from the constant "beg harder" stuff, Nelson is right. It is time to put this back together and end the expansion converstation for a while. However, we should have other lines cast, and I am sure we will.