Price can't handle the heat from Eck
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Ortiz wasn't a me first guy?? Remember him storming in in the middle of a post game presser crying "I want my RBI...because a hit was scored an error, obviously no RBI...so of course they changed the ruling. Plus the sox won the game...it was all about him. He threatened to finish his career in another city if he didn't get what he wanted. I hear fans talk about how loyal he was...ha! Loyal to his paycheck only. Sure..."it's my f#%*ing city" unless I don't get what I want then another city will be my f#%^ing city! Phony!
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He's actually talked about that game recently. Clemens almost hit Millar up near the head the game before. The ball ended hitting Millar in the shoulder or hand and after the game Clemens made a comment of Millar getting out of the way next time. Turns out that game the opposing pitcher was Wakefield, so obviously there is no retaliation coming that game. So Pedro went over to Millar or Wake, can't remember which and told him that he was going to hit two Yankees next game.
So the next game comes and he drills Soriano and Jeter to lead off the game, boom boom.
Figured the Clemens part of the story is somewhat relevant.
Oh, and god dam do I love Pedro.
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What are you even talking about? He was the leader on 3 World Series titles I don't give a damn about any of the stuff you're whining about. Get in the bathroom you clown.
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How exactly does that make him a me first guy? They won the game. It's not like he slacked off. He's not costing the team anything. So he whined in a press conference. Do you think any of his teammates gave a rats ass about it? They probably thought it was funny. This is more a fan's take on something rather than a teammates. Look, I thought that was a bad look on his part. But it's part of the passion. You take the good with the bad. I also found it kind of amusing.
A guy fighting for contract money is about 'me first'? That would make the vast majority of players in all sports 'me first people. It's called negotiating. Smart move. The Sox tried to play hardball with an icon. It's like offering Jeter 8m per. Which would be bullshIt. So what if the guy is outspoken?
This is like saying Calhoun is a me first guy for hinting he'd coach at SC or the 'not a dime' back speech.
If these are the best examples you can come up with, then it's a laughable concept. Find me quotes of guys saying Ortiz is a me first player. As I said above, he was universally loved, respected as a teammate and a leader. You're entitled to your opinion, but it doesn't jibe with the real world.
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Why? One of the more invested athletes I've seen on the Sox. Guy cares. It is true that average American might not be into the overly emotional personalities of the Latin players. A number of those guys get stick for that. See all the bat flip complainers.
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The guy whined to official scorers throughout his career about what was a hit and an error. he was invested mostly in himself but I'm sure a great teammate nonetheless. Don't make him onto anyone different than ARod please he's not except in Boston. All about him, team is a close 2nd. Many athletes are like that now not saying it's just him. For instance he's a distant 2nd on the Sox list from the Schill.
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Those are two ideas are nearly mutually exclusive. And let's face it, baseball's a sport where you have to be invested in yourself in some fashion. It's just you against a pitcher. It's just you against a hitter. It's not like he was asked to bunt and decided to swing for the fences.
[quote}Don't make him onto anyone different than ARod please he's not except in Boston. All about him, team is a close 2nd. Many athletes are like that now not saying it's just him. [/quote]
Not being snarky, but where is your proof for this? Because everything I've read says the exact opposite. I haven't seen or heard squat otherwise. Outside of him being damn near universally loved. He had the odd tiff with guys, some who then became his teammates and friends, but that is normal.
Even chose the number '34' to honor Kirby Puckett for what he did for him as a young player. That kind of gratitude is the antithesis of a 'me first' player.
The Arod comparison is laughable though. Couldn't be anything more opposite. Hell, Arod himself says david Ortiz is loved by everyone: A-Rod on David Ortiz: ‘He is loved by everyone’ Nobody ever says that about Arod.
There's article, after article, after article with direct quotes from teammates and players around the league with effusive praise. It's pretty much just Yankees, Orioles and maybe Tampa fans on the other side of the ledger.
Ortiz has his number retired. Schilling does not. Schilling is vilified for costing the taxpayers millions through a stupid business venture and being an all around nutjob. Ortiz is a pillar in the community.
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Not being snarky, but where is your proof for this? Because everything I've read says the exact opposite. I haven't seen or heard squat otherwise. Outside of him being damn near universally loved. He had the odd tiff with guys, some who then became his teammates and friends, but that is normal.
Even chose the number '34' to honor Kirby Puckett for what he did for him as a young player. That kind of gratitude is the antithesis of a 'me first' player.
The Arod comparison is laughable though. Couldn't be anything more opposite. Hell, Arod himself says david Ortiz is loved by everyone: A-Rod on David Ortiz: ‘He is loved by everyone’ Nobody ever says that about Arod.
There's article, after article, after article with direct quotes from teammates and players around the league with effusive praise. It's pretty much just Yankees, Orioles and maybe Tampa fans on the other side of the ledger.
Ortiz has his number retired. Schilling does not. Schilling is vilified for costing the taxpayers millions through a stupid business venture and being an all around nutjob. Ortiz is a pillar in the community.[/QUOTE]
Wow he has you too. Universally loved? Show me the facts on that I highly doubt it lol. And the ARod comparison is much much close than you would think. Besides the way you people adore him and made others believe, he's the same guy - a cheater who really care's about #1 - is he living in Boston now during the season? He should be after al he proclaimed it to be his town, he should never leave
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He has EVERYBODY. Except Yankee fans. I can't post the positive quotes because they are endless. This is pretty indicative of what you'll find with a 5 second google search:
Maikel Franco had not yet made his major league debut in 2014 when he traveled to Fort Myers, Florida, to play in a spring training game. As he recalls, he was taking a few swings in the batting cage, minding his own business, when a familiar, booming voice called out his name. David Ortiz wanted to chat.
"I was just like, 'Oh my god, this is so weird. He knows me already?'" said Franco, the Philadelphia Phillies' third baseman. "I never even met him, but the first time that I go play Boston, he gives me a big hug, everything. He just told me to work hard and get better every single day. He told me, 'Keep doing what you're doing. I know what you've got. I know you can be able to play here in the big leagues.'"
Franco, 24, laughs at the retelling because he knows his story isn't unique. Dozens, if not hundreds, of players in clubhouses across the majors can tell tales of their brush with Big Papi, that moment when Ortiz offered unsolicited advice, feedback and support to help them advance their careers.
Counselling guys on other teams:"I was just like, 'Oh my god, this is so weird. He knows me already?'" said Franco, the Philadelphia Phillies' third baseman. "I never even met him, but the first time that I go play Boston, he gives me a big hug, everything. He just told me to work hard and get better every single day. He told me, 'Keep doing what you're doing. I know what you've got. I know you can be able to play here in the big leagues.'"
Franco, 24, laughs at the retelling because he knows his story isn't unique. Dozens, if not hundreds, of players in clubhouses across the majors can tell tales of their brush with Big Papi, that moment when Ortiz offered unsolicited advice, feedback and support to help them advance their careers.
"He legitimately cares about these guys," Seattle Mariners third-base coach Manny Acta says. "He didn't do it because of the club the guys were playing for. He was doing it because he cares about these kids. He wants to see them stay up here and compete, like he did."
When Acta was managing the Cleveland Indians, Ortiz would call him and ask if it was OK for him to offer a few words of advice to Carlos Santana, then a young catcher in the early stages of his career.
"He'd say, 'I'm going to talk to this kid and try to help him out,'" Acta recalls. "What am I going to say? No? Who wouldn't want to have David talk to their players."
When Acta was managing the Cleveland Indians, Ortiz would call him and ask if it was OK for him to offer a few words of advice to Carlos Santana, then a young catcher in the early stages of his career.
"He'd say, 'I'm going to talk to this kid and try to help him out,'" Acta recalls. "What am I going to say? No? Who wouldn't want to have David talk to their players."
Yup, sounds like a me-first guy right there. lol
Non Latin guys on Ortiz if that's the half baked excuse you're going with:
MLB players react to David Ortiz's final game | FOX Sports
He even helps out guys on the Yankees:
“For me, he’s like a big brother,” Cano said on NESN’s “Red Sox Gameday Live” before Wednesday’s game. “… It’s going to be sad seeing him go, but we have to respect his decision.What a great career. That’s a career every player would love to have.”
And it isn't only hitters. When hard-throwing New York Yankees right-hander Dellin Betances was a rookie in 2014, Ortiz spotted a flaw while watching him pitch. Ortiz asked a mutual friend for Betances' phone number, called him up and pointed out the problem.
Can you imagine players saying these things about Arod? haha
I posted this above, but reconcile these statements:
Arod's well respected former manager on Arod:
“Alex monopolized all the attention. We never really had anybody who craved the attention. I think when Alex came over he certainly changed just the feel of the club,” Torre said in the book. Torre also wrote that when Rodriguez was at the plate in an important situation he was worried about “how it looks” rather than “concern himself with getting the job done.”
Here's Papi's well respected former manager on Papi:
Francona said. "He's certainly the face of the Red Sox, or one of them, and probably the same goes for the face of baseball. He's got that big smile that when you walk in the room, or when somebody walks in the room, he can disarm you just like that. I don't care who you are. He's a big teddy bear.
"Early on when I got there, I realized real quick you could go to him if you got something you needed to get done, which is important, real important. And we had a lot of guys like that. David transcends languages, colors, things like that. If you were in his uniform, that was what mattered."
"Early on when I got there, I realized real quick you could go to him if you got something you needed to get done, which is important, real important. And we had a lot of guys like that. David transcends languages, colors, things like that. If you were in his uniform, that was what mattered."
Are you calling Torre, Francona and all those other players disingenuous or liars? And if, in your mind, those are the same things then haha
How Arod talks about his teammates:
Arod on (now) former friend and Yankees Legend Derek Jeter:
"Jeter's been blessed with great talent around him," Rodriguez said. "He's never had to lead. You go into New York, you wanna stop Bernie (Williams) and (Paul) O'Neill. You never say, 'Don't let Derek beat you.' He's never your concern."
Heck, and Pedro himself lobbied the hell out of the Red Sox to sign Ortiz:
I pulled out my little flip phone right there and started calling everybody I could think of back in Boston. But nobody picked up, because they were all in the MLB Winter Meetings. Finally I got to the traveling secretary, Jack McCormick, and I said, "Hey, can you get a hold of Lucchino or Theo or somebody?"
Jack said, "Huh? What's going on?"
"Listen, I'm in the Dominican and I ran into David Ortiz. He just got released by Minnesota. We need to sign him."
"The first baseman? Well, you know, we got Brian Daubach ..."
"Look, I'm telling you. This guy is going to be special. Get Theo on the phone."
"Alright, I'll tell them."
Jack said, "Huh? What's going on?"
"Listen, I'm in the Dominican and I ran into David Ortiz. He just got released by Minnesota. We need to sign him."
"The first baseman? Well, you know, we got Brian Daubach ..."
"Look, I'm telling you. This guy is going to be special. Get Theo on the phone."
"Alright, I'll tell them."
Again, I'm waiting for you to provide me ANYTHING, but a Yankee fan's jaded opinion. Which you are entitled to. But it certainly doesn't make it fact.
I know I'll never convince you, but I'm satisfied in the knowledge I have all the facts on my side in this particular argument.
Is that the best you can do? you mean he shouldn't live in his native country? That's laughable. Again, how about we listen to people who actually KNOW:Seattle Mariners third-base coach Manny Acta, who managed Ortiz on the Dominican team in the 2009 World Baseball Classic. "It would've been very easy for him to grab his money and just move here [to the USA] and never go home. But David has touched so many lives in every class down there, whether you're poor, middle class or rich. That's why people love him to death."
"When David talks, everybody listens, especially in the Dominican," Mariners slugger Nelson Cruz says. "We saw him as an idol. We saw him growing up playing baseball and being a hero when everybody was expecting it. He's a role model for all the Dominican players."
"When David talks, everybody listens, especially in the Dominican," Mariners slugger Nelson Cruz says. "We saw him as an idol. We saw him growing up playing baseball and being a hero when everybody was expecting it. He's a role model for all the Dominican players."
The people in the Dominican respect the hell out of him returning, living in a third world country, and giving so much back to the community.
I mean, among the baseball community, he's thought of as one of the BEST people in the game.
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Wow that's all you can come up with that doesn't make it universal.... Acta, Franco hmmmm..... and so you know ARod was well known for being excellent with the young guys so that must make him universally loved LOL
All good you win but let's discuss the reality when you get his first base bag out of your face.
Everyone loves Papi lol
Back to UConn hoops where we can agree on occasion. Good?
All good you win but let's discuss the reality when you get his first base bag out of your face.
Everyone loves Papi lol
Back to UConn hoops where we can agree on occasion. Good?
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Eck got on Price for not covering First but it wasn't as hard as it could have been. Eck did mock the way he pitches especially the amount of time he takes between pitches. I never understood why pitchers feel it is in their interest to take forever between pitches. The defense ends up getting their weight on both feet with the result of losing a least a step. Pitchers aren't smart enough to think too much. Sale has it right.
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Love Sale for that - catch it and check the sign and throw it. Man that's baseball! Yanks have a couple young lefties in Montgomery and Smith and when things aren't going right they slow down even more and it's really painful to watch and having played the game, the defense has to be ready to shove needles in their eyes.
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Yankees fans can't speak objectively about Ortiz. They will always hate him because of how foolish he made them look in '04, and how he led their rivals to more titles than they ever thought they would witness in their lives. Yankees fans, especially those of a certain age, took it for granted that they would never have to worry about the Red Sox actually contending for titles. Ortiz shattered that illusion and forced them to take the Sox seriously for the first time in their lives, and they will never forgive him for it.
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I'm not sure if this is what you're referring to, but I just saw an interview where he said he has never shook off a catcher once. If true, that's unreal. Talk about trusting your stuff. Most guys won't throw the curve (or whatever) if they don't have it that day.