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Soccer uses a running clock and players have a particular ability to manipulate when play starts and stops. Not including some way to account for this would make it a farce. Another option would be to stop the clock on every injury, but that would lead to the same result of games lasting longer than 90 minutes.
I'm essentially saying get rid of the running clock and have the head ref control it from his wrist. Easy. They'd never do it due to the theater that is stoppage time, but I think this mystery amount of time added is silly.
 
I'm essentially saying get rid of the running clock and have the head ref control it from his wrist. Easy. They'd never do it due to the theater that is stoppage time, but I think this mystery amount of time added is silly.
Like I said, they used to do it your way and it sucked.
 
Like I said, they used to do it your way and it sucked.
Every other league in every other country in the world uses the running clock. It is the accepted format and would make no sense to be the outlier. I think next time I'm watching a match with my buddies I'll propose this and see what the reaction is; should be good for a laugh.
 
Like I said, they used to do it your way and it sucked.
How long ago was that? I've been watching 'Pool for only about 10-12 years. What sucked about it? Just wondering, not looking to argue or anything silly like that.
In theory, the only difference between a running clock and someone stopping and starting the clock would be the discretion a head ref has in actually blowing his whistle if a team is on the attack when stoppage time looks like it should be over.
Again, full transparency, I'm bitching because Everton beat Liverpool with basically no stoppage time left and they'd already gone more than 2 minutes past the original stoppage amount. I had no idea if we were under 90 minutes, over, or right on.

Every other league in every other country in the world uses the running clock. It is the accepted format and would make no sense to be the outlier. I think next time I'm watching a match with my buddies I'll propose this and see what the reaction is; should be good for a laugh.
It won't go well. It's interesting to me that every non soccer sport (that I've seen) actually stops their clock and I wonder how this stoppage time method came to be. TV? Imagine UConn hoops with stoppage time. What does NCAA soccer do? I haven't seen a game in a long time.
 
How hard is it for a ref to have the ability to start and stop a clock at his will? Instead we get this magical number, of which I have no clue if it's accurate or not. It's likely not since all stoppage time is in whole numbers. Then if a team is attacking, the time can get extended. No other sport has the ambiguity. If it's a 90 minute game, prove it with a clock that stops.
And don't even get me started on fake injuries. Every game should be reviewed after the fact and yellow cards given for dives. I saw a guy get hit in the neck and he went down to the ground covering his eye. This crap needs to be out of the game. If there's no consequences, they'll keep diving.

It keeps the game moving. With a stopped clock you get players milking time to rest, receiving coaching instructions, etc.

Why does basketball count hoops that go in after the clock has expired, unlike hockey? Why does FB not end play when the clock hits zero?

For soccer, added time and allowing the attacking team to within reason complete it's possession adds to the drama, which is the point any spectator sport.

Yes, it's confusing to casual fans and isn't applied consistently but it does work fine.

What doesn't work is the nebulous rules for awarding PKs. VAR hasn't helped much but a few rule tweaks have improved things and a few more would be welcomed. IMO

1. Clear and obvious error is a good standard glad they stopped reviewing every close call on the field.

2. Offsides, the rule should be changed so that an attacking player is onside unless his foot is clearly in front of the last defender. Don't care about heads, hips, shoulders, etc. Also don't care if one toe or heel is a couple inches in front.

They should pick one reference and require clear separation to disallow a goal. Ties go to the attacker, so to speak. I'm tired of waiting for poorly drawn lines over arbitrary video frames that purport to be the moment the ball was played. At 30+ frames per second, that's nonsense at that distance and resolution.
 
Can you imagine the time wasting if the clock stopped right on the 45 and 90? You don’t have to, that was MLS in the mid 90s.
 
How long ago was that? I've been watching 'Pool for only about 10-12 years.
I understand your frustration. The system relies on the referee to use proper discretion. And when they don’t, it drives you crazy. I was at an Athletic game where they lost in the 10th minute of added time, when the original number was 5. The add was due to the visitors getting a straight red and it took a few minutes to get the injured our guy off the field. He didn’t need to let them finish that last attack.
 
Anyone ever go to 2nd Bridge Brewery in Manchester for PL viewing?

I hooked up with a New England Wolves Support(ers) Group that is heading out there Sunday for the 9:00 AM Spurs/Wolves match. The brewery has confirmed that they will be open for 9:00 AM game.
 
Anyone ever go to 2nd Bridge Brewery in Manchester for PL viewing?
I like the beer and it's a real soccer crowd except friendly not snotty. It's a spartan place set in an old industrial building.
 
Well it wasn't EPL, but our CL game last night was probably the most fun I've had in awhile. :D
 
Well it wasn't EPL, but our CL game last night was probably the most fun I've had in awhile. :D
Two of the nicest free kicks I've seen (especially the second although the bend on the first was sick). Rice's first two goals off free kicks as a pro and he had only taken 12 before yesterday. That's crazy! Would love to see what happened in practice last week to make him the taker.
 
Two of the nicest free kicks I've seen (especially the second although the bend on the first was sick). Rice's first two goals off free kicks as a pro and he had only taken 12 before yesterday. That's crazy! Would love to see what happened in practice last week to make him the taker.
Well they have had him taking corner kicks and doing very well on them. So they probably figured.....try that from out front.
 
Congrats to Liverpool! They were a powerhouse in the 90's before fading a bit in the early aughts. But in the last 20 years they have a respectable 2 EPL crowns and two Champions League trophies. What turned the tide 20 years ago? I say it started with their visit to Rentschler Field in 2004. They put on a show and made a ton of stateside fans. They had the miracle in Istanbul the following year.
 
Congrats to Liverpool! They were a powerhouse in the 90's before fading a bit in the early aughts. But in the last 20 years they have a respectable 2 EPL crowns and two Champions League trophies. What turned the tide 20 years ago? I say it started with their visit to Rentschler Field in 2004. They put on a show and made a ton of stateside fans. They had the miracle in Istanbul the following year.
Yeah, they've had a really good year in the EPL. Easily the best team this year.

Wish we could have given them a run for their money this year. But even if we'd have been healthy and not lost all those points to the refs, I still don't know if we could have caught them. They were just on point this year.
 
It keeps the game moving. With a stopped clock you get players milking time to rest, receiving coaching instructions, etc.
Can you imagine the time wasting if the clock stopped right on the 45 and 90? You don’t have to, that was MLS in the mid 90s.
Clock milking happens now. All those players writhing on the ground as if they had just been shot. Then out comes the miracle spray, they limp a couple times, and then they're back to normal. Of all the things I'd change, it would be that. I see so many guys holding parts of their body where there wasn't even contact. All injuries should be reviewed after the game and post match yellows for simulation should be handed out. That ruins the flow of the game.
As a Liverpool fan, very happy winning the league. An Irish relative of mine (that I've never met), who was a huge Liverpool fan, passed away recently at the age of 43. Apparently there was something in the matchday program and the crowd was supposed to cheer or something at the 43 minute mark, but I didn't hear anything obvious. Too bad he couldn't have made it for 1 more EPL title.
 
Yes, but that time gets added back. Some of it anyway. You are also never going to be 100% efficient. Since there are no time outs, you have time accept guys taking a breather when they can
I can assure even some of the flops can be pretty hard.
 
Congrats Liverpool. Two losses in 34. Incredible. Relegated teams are most likely set and it looks like Leeds and Burnley will be coming up. with Sheffield United most likely the favorite to win the playoff.

Happy my Wolves are staying up and are enjoying a nice run of form. Hoping they get better over the summer and not just bank cash, which hasn't been the case over the last few years. Still don't think Fosun has any interest in being more than a selling club.

BTW, New England Wolves Supporters Club came out in force to 2nd Bridge a few weeks ago. The six of us packed the front room.

Good beer and good breakfast sandwiches. Have to get back there soon!
 
How 'bout that Crystal Palace! I just hope Hartford Athletic doesn't take as long.
 
How 'bout that Crystal Palace! I just hope Hartford Athletic doesn't take as long.
Crystal Palace is my team. It was controversial but I will take it. Europa League here we come
 

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