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Fairfield_1st

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Soccer uses a running clock and players have a particular ability to manipulate when play starts and stops. Not including some way to account for this would make it a farce. Another option would be to stop the clock on every injury, but that would lead to the same result of games lasting longer than 90 minutes.
I'm essentially saying get rid of the running clock and have the head ref control it from his wrist. Easy. They'd never do it due to the theater that is stoppage time, but I think this mystery amount of time added is silly.
 

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I'm essentially saying get rid of the running clock and have the head ref control it from his wrist. Easy. They'd never do it due to the theater that is stoppage time, but I think this mystery amount of time added is silly.
Like I said, they used to do it your way and it sucked.
 
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Like I said, they used to do it your way and it sucked.
Every other league in every other country in the world uses the running clock. It is the accepted format and would make no sense to be the outlier. I think next time I'm watching a match with my buddies I'll propose this and see what the reaction is; should be good for a laugh.
 

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Like I said, they used to do it your way and it sucked.
How long ago was that? I've been watching 'Pool for only about 10-12 years. What sucked about it? Just wondering, not looking to argue or anything silly like that.
In theory, the only difference between a running clock and someone stopping and starting the clock would be the discretion a head ref has in actually blowing his whistle if a team is on the attack when stoppage time looks like it should be over.
Again, full transparency, I'm bitching because Everton beat Liverpool with basically no stoppage time left and they'd already gone more than 2 minutes past the original stoppage amount. I had no idea if we were under 90 minutes, over, or right on.

Every other league in every other country in the world uses the running clock. It is the accepted format and would make no sense to be the outlier. I think next time I'm watching a match with my buddies I'll propose this and see what the reaction is; should be good for a laugh.
It won't go well. It's interesting to me that every non soccer sport (that I've seen) actually stops their clock and I wonder how this stoppage time method came to be. TV? Imagine UConn hoops with stoppage time. What does NCAA soccer do? I haven't seen a game in a long time.
 

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How hard is it for a ref to have the ability to start and stop a clock at his will? Instead we get this magical number, of which I have no clue if it's accurate or not. It's likely not since all stoppage time is in whole numbers. Then if a team is attacking, the time can get extended. No other sport has the ambiguity. If it's a 90 minute game, prove it with a clock that stops.
And don't even get me started on fake injuries. Every game should be reviewed after the fact and yellow cards given for dives. I saw a guy get hit in the neck and he went down to the ground covering his eye. This crap needs to be out of the game. If there's no consequences, they'll keep diving.

It keeps the game moving. With a stopped clock you get players milking time to rest, receiving coaching instructions, etc.

Why does basketball count hoops that go in after the clock has expired, unlike hockey? Why does FB not end play when the clock hits zero?

For soccer, added time and allowing the attacking team to within reason complete it's possession adds to the drama, which is the point any spectator sport.

Yes, it's confusing to casual fans and isn't applied consistently but it does work fine.

What doesn't work is the nebulous rules for awarding PKs. VAR hasn't helped much but a few rule tweaks have improved things and a few more would be welcomed. IMO

1. Clear and obvious error is a good standard glad they stopped reviewing every close call on the field.

2. Offsides, the rule should be changed so that an attacking player is onside unless his foot is clearly in front of the last defender. Don't care about heads, hips, shoulders, etc. Also don't care if one toe or heel is a couple inches in front.

They should pick one reference and require clear separation to disallow a goal. Ties go to the attacker, so to speak. I'm tired of waiting for poorly drawn lines over arbitrary video frames that purport to be the moment the ball was played. At 30+ frames per second, that's nonsense at that distance and resolution.
 

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Can you imagine the time wasting if the clock stopped right on the 45 and 90? You don’t have to, that was MLS in the mid 90s.
 

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How long ago was that? I've been watching 'Pool for only about 10-12 years.
I understand your frustration. The system relies on the referee to use proper discretion. And when they don’t, it drives you crazy. I was at an Athletic game where they lost in the 10th minute of added time, when the original number was 5. The add was due to the visitors getting a straight red and it took a few minutes to get the injured our guy off the field. He didn’t need to let them finish that last attack.
 
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Anyone ever go to 2nd Bridge Brewery in Manchester for PL viewing?

I hooked up with a New England Wolves Support(ers) Group that is heading out there Sunday for the 9:00 AM Spurs/Wolves match. The brewery has confirmed that they will be open for 9:00 AM game.
 

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Anyone ever go to 2nd Bridge Brewery in Manchester for PL viewing?
I like the beer and it's a real soccer crowd except friendly not snotty. It's a spartan place set in an old industrial building.
 

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Well it wasn't EPL, but our CL game last night was probably the most fun I've had in awhile. :D
 
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Well it wasn't EPL, but our CL game last night was probably the most fun I've had in awhile. :D
Two of the nicest free kicks I've seen (especially the second although the bend on the first was sick). Rice's first two goals off free kicks as a pro and he had only taken 12 before yesterday. That's crazy! Would love to see what happened in practice last week to make him the taker.
 

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Two of the nicest free kicks I've seen (especially the second although the bend on the first was sick). Rice's first two goals off free kicks as a pro and he had only taken 12 before yesterday. That's crazy! Would love to see what happened in practice last week to make him the taker.
Well they have had him taking corner kicks and doing very well on them. So they probably figured.....try that from out front.
 

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