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Inyatkin said:
Rudy Gay was as big a minus as a plus. An All-American on a 30-win team. We've gone around the bend here
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I don't see him as a minus - he wasn't the reason the team lost in 06'.
 
tcf15 said:
Jeremy another 2 and done that played a big role on a championship team.
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Lamb left after two years, but I don't think he came here with one eye on the exit the way the others did.

As to Charley and Rudy, you can disagree with me but there is no revisionism in my history. I don't think Charley was a key piece in '04 of what we accomplished, and I think we could have won a championship in '06 if Rudy could have had his minutes reduced, or played some at the 4, instead of having Sheed and Denham sit too much in games where they were playing well. I know that is a minority opinion, but I've been saying it since '06
 
HuskyBballFan said:
Nor was Drummond the reason the 2012 team underperformed.
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Drummonds play was not the reason. But I have zero, zero, doubt (obviously unprovable) that we would have been a better team that year had he never shown up in September.
 
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businesslawyer said:
Drummonds play was not the reason. But I have zero, zero, doubt (obviously unprovable) that we would have been a better team that year had he never shown up in September.
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It hurts to say this, but I agree. But you could also say the same thing about Boat. The first season, Boat and Bazz did not get along - both had different visions of how the team should be ran.
 
CTBasketball said:
I don't see him as a minus - he wasn't the reason the team lost in 06'.
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I was mocking the idea that he was a minus. He had his faults, but his legacy is by far a net positive.
 
businesslawyer said:
Lamb left after two years, but I don't think he came here with one eye on the exit the way the others did.

As to Charley and Rudy, you can disagree with me but there is no revisionism in my history. I don't think Charley was a key piece in '04 of what we accomplished, and I think we could have won a championship in '06 if Rudy could have had his minutes reduced, or played some at the 4, instead of having Sheed and Denham sit too much in games where they were playing well. I know that is a minority opinion, but I've been saying it since '06
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Who is this "Sheed" you speak of????? Could you possibly mean RASHAD????
 
I wouldn't be at all disappointed if we lose out on Clark and Jones and sign Tevin Mack. Mack appears to be a better shooter than either Clark or Jones based upon VERY limited videos and we need good shooting from his position first and foremost. Slashers are great but you really have to be able to hit the outside shot in Div.1 to open up the lane.
 
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businesslawyer said:
Drummonds play was not the reason. But I have zero, zero, doubt (obviously unprovable) that we would have been a better team that year had he never shown up in September.
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I understand your argument but I see no problem in going after highly rated recruits if you believe you can get them. If you were KO, you would not offer Stone a ship because he's too good? I would never want to see us turn into some one and done factory like UK but I don't see an issue in bringing one in on occasion.
 
businesslawyer said:
Lamb left after two years, but I don't think he came here with one eye on the exit the way the others did.

As to Charley and Rudy, you can disagree with me but there is no revisionism in my history. I don't think Charley was a key piece in '04 of what we accomplished, and I think we could have won a championship in '06 if Rudy could have had his minutes reduced, or played some at the 4, instead of having Sheed and Denham sit too much in games where they were playing well. I know that is a minority opinion, but I've been saying it since '06
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You've been wrong about both, then. Charlie was huge for us, particularly when Emeka was hurt, and we don't win the BET without him. RaSHAD and Denham were both weaker ballhandlers than Rudy, so I'm not sure what benching him would have provided.
 
businesslawyer said:
Drummonds play was not the reason. But I have zero, zero, doubt (obviously unprovable) that we would have been a better team that year had he never shown up in September.
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While I agree, I think the team would have only been marginally better.

Chemistry problems aside, there wasn't a single player ready to fill the leadership void left by Kemba's departure...let alone the multiple players they needed to fill that void. Shabazz was a year away from being that guy, and Oriakhi didn't have it in him.

That, plus Shabazz and Lamb never clicking were much bigger issues that season.
 
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UConn990411 said:
While I agree, I think the team would have only been marginally better.

Chemistry problems aside, there wasn't a single player ready to fill the leadership void left by Kemba's departure...let alone the multiple players they needed to fill that void. Shabazz was a year away from being that guy, and Oriakhi didn't have it in him.

That, plus Shabazz and Lamb never clicking were much bigger issues that season.
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Yup. You could go up and down the roster and have a hard time finding guys who lived up to expectations that year. The only exceptions would be Boatright (who had a really solid freshman year) and Lamb to a certain extent. Shabazz was wildly inconsistent. Daniels did nothing. Roscoe did nothing until the end of the year. Giffey wasn't the Giffey we had last year. Oriakhi's play has been discussed ad nauseum. Etc. Etc.

So it's completely unfair to say that bringing in the one-and-doner was the main reason for that team's struggles. It wasn't Drummond's fault that the fanbase expected a triple-double every night. And it also wasn't Drummond's fault that so many of his teammates had lousy seasons.
 
HuskyBballFan said:
Yup. You could go up and down the roster and have a hard time finding guys who lived up to expectations that year. The only exceptions would be Boatright (who had a really solid freshman year) and Lamb to a certain extent. Shabazz was wildly inconsistent. Daniels did nothing. Roscoe did nothing until the end of the year. Giffey wasn't the Giffey we had last year. Oriakhi's play has been discussed ad nauseum. Etc. Etc.

So it's completely unfair to say that bringing in the one-and-doner was the main reason for that team's struggles. It wasn't Drummond's fault that the fanbase expected a triple-double every night. And it also wasn't Drummond's fault that so many of his teammates had lousy seasons.
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Agree. Plus Calhoun injury/ sickness, concerns about JC retiring, the impending ban. It was a lost year.

People forget that a one-and-done was also critical in bringing UCONN to national prominence.
 
David 76 said:
Agree. Plus Calhoun injury/ sickness, concerns about JC retiring, the impending ban. It was a lost year.

People forget that a one-and-done was also critical in bringing UCONN to national prominence.
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Yep - people don't think of him as one and done, since he didn't leave for the NBA. But pro ball in Israel is still pro ball.
 
bear said:
I understand your argument but I see no problem in going after highly rated recruits if you believe you can get them. If you were KO, you would not offer Stone a ship because he's too good? I would never want to see us turn into some one and done factory like UK but I don't see an issue in bringing one in on occasion.
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Go back in the thread. I trust KO, and any kid whom he offers I want. I am not telling KO we don't want any of these young men.

Someone else criticized a poster as it being a silly opinion that we didn't want kids who were looking for the exit from the time they got here. And I was making the case that it isn't stupid because the overwhelming part of our success has come from recruiting young men who aren't looking for an early exit when they show up.
 
David 76 said:
Agree. Plus Calhoun injury/ sickness, concerns about JC retiring, the impending ban. It was a lost year.

People forget that a one-and-done was also critical in bringing UCONN to national prominence.
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Like Lamb, my understanding is Nadov came here to stay here. After the publicity he got in Israel, he was then made an offer he couldn't refuse.
 
CallMeBruce said:
You've been wrong about both, then. Charlie was huge for us, particularly when Emeka was hurt, and we don't win the BET without him. RaSHAD and Denham were both weaker ballhandlers than Rudy, so I'm not sure what benching him would have provided.
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It would have produced better passing and better outside shooting and more consistent perimeter D. Towards the end of the year -- right before the BET -- we played Nova at home. That was as good a passing game as I think I've ever seen a college team have. But the team moved the ball better when the seniors were on the wings.

Again, I'm not knocking Rudy Gay's play and I fully acknowledge that my opinion is in the minority on that. But Rudy Gay was not an All American -- he was a good college player with unbelievable tools -- and the UConn team was many days better with him not taking 32 minutes at the 3.

You are correct that we don't win the BET, with Okafor hurt, without Charley V. I don't think that changes my point, but I agree with the statement.
 
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Well, he was an All-American: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NCAA_Men's_Basketball_All-Americans

He did a lot of great things. I think if he played the 4 more we could have done some better things, but that team was fatally flawed from the AJP hemorrhage to laptopgate. Rudy had little to do with it.

As to this thread: I don't think we ever want to be UK, a team full of 1-and-dones.

I also think that to avoid top talent because they may leave is foolish. Trash UK all we want, in the last 5 years: E8, FF, NC, NIT, Championship Game. That's better than anyone else but UConn (NIT, NC, R1, None, NC), and that's only because of the second title. And if it weren't for UConn, UK would likely have 3 titles in 4 years.

Don't become them, but adapt. Take what works for them, and keep what works from us.
 
businesslawyer said:
Like Lamb, my understanding is Nadov came here to stay here. After the publicity he got in Israel, he was then made an offer he couldn't refuse.
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But how do you know all these high ranked high schoolers and even Drummond did not come to UConn with the same attitude of wanting to stay? Just cause they are projected to be pros does not mean that is their mindset coming in....unfair to assume
 
I love Clark... And I hope it's him. I just think he has a motor and seems like a kid that ko and staff would love to have. Just my opinion.. But d stone is fine as well
 
Stone. Seems like he is #1 on the coach's priority list. Wonder if we'll offer a full 4-year ride (even though he'll likely actually use 1-2 years before going to the NBA).
 
businesslawyer said:
Lamb left after two years, but I don't think he came here with one eye on the exit the way the others did.

As to Charley and Rudy, you can disagree with me but there is no revisionism in my history. I don't think Charley was a key piece in '04 of what we accomplished, and I think we could have won a championship in '06 if Rudy could have had his minutes reduced, or played some at the 4, instead of having Sheed and Denham sit too much in games where they were playing well. I know that is a minority opinion, but I've been saying it since '06
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I too always maintained that Rudy should have played the 4 on that team. In the George Mason game Rudy actually played good but did not see the ball enough.
 
businesslawyer said:
It would have produced better passing and better outside shooting and more consistent perimeter D. Towards the end of the year -- right before the BET -- we played Nova at home. That was as good a passing game as I think I've ever seen a college team have. But the team moved the ball better when the seniors were on the wings.

Again, I'm not knocking Rudy Gay's play and I fully acknowledge that my opinion is in the minority on that. But Rudy Gay was not an All American -- he was a good college player with unbelievable tools -- and the UConn team was many days better with him not taking 32 minutes at the 3.

You are correct that we don't win the BET, with Okafor hurt, without Charley V. I don't think that changes my point, but I agree with the statement.
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Actually, you're wrong, he was an All American. And I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Are you saying that Calhoun didn't move him to the 4 in order to protect his NBA chances? If so, that's even more ridiculous than your original post downplaying what Charlie V did here.
 
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