Pre Season Bracketology

[mbr33ct]

The only guarantee SC will have, to be placed in Greenville, is if the Gamecocks are a #1 seed.

 

[SCspur]

If SC wants to have those guarantees, they need better turnout.

I went to last year's regional in Greensboro and I was shocked that SC didn't have better representation. UConn goes to Albany/Bridgeport/as close as they can reasonably get to Storrs because they sell tickets.

Greenville is much closer and the fans will have a much better incentive to go to this Regional rather than Greensboro which had #1 Baylor in it. SC only has less than 200 mile to travel to make the FF so I guarantee you the fans will be in the seats. The Committee will be foolish to not place SC there. That regional will probably sell more than both Dallas and Portland.

 

[SCspur]

The only guarantee SC will have, to be placed in Greenville, is if the Gamecocks are a #1 seed.

Why is that? UConn went to Albany as a 2. I highly doubt any other SEC team will be in Greenville over SC unless they’re a 1 seed.

 

[Argonaut]

Greenville is much closer and the fans will have a much better incentive to go to this Regional rather than Greensboro which had #1 Baylor in it. SC only has less than 200 mile to travel to make the FF so I guarantee you the fans will be in the seats. The Committee will be foolish to not place SC there. That regional will probably sell more than both Dallas and Portland.

It's only half an hour longer from Columbia to Greensboro than it is from Storrs to Albany, yet UConn will always pack Albany. Seeing your team play other great teams should be incentive enough - two and a half hours isn't that far.

 

[LoTrader]

Greenville is much closer and the fans will have a much better incentive to go to this Regional rather than Greensboro which had #1 Baylor in it. SC only has less than 200 mile to travel to make the FF so I guarantee you the fans will be in the seats. The Committee will be foolish to not place SC there. That regional will probably sell more than both Dallas and Portland.

If Oregon or Oregon State are in the Portland Regional, I wouldn't be so sure. Especially if either of them are a #1 seed.

 

[nwhoopfan]

If Oregon or Oregon State are in the Portland Regional, I wouldn't be so sure. Especially if either of them are a #1 seed.

Portland had the best attendance of the Regional sites for both rounds held there last year. Wasn't particularly close. Greensboro was fairly weak. This is straight from the NCAA's website. Couldn't figure out how to link it.

Semifinal:

Albany 8765
Chicago 7715
Greensboro 6544
Portland 11,324

Final:

Albany 9204
Chicago 5555
Greensboro 4164
Portland 11,538

 

[SCspur]

If Oregon or Oregon State are in the Portland Regional, I wouldn't be so sure. Especially if either of them are a #1 seed.

The Moda Center seats more than Bon Secours so The Portland regional could have more fans but I doubt it especially if SC placed there with another team that also has a good following.

And now that I went and looked back Portland only had 11,000 fans last year. I imagine Greenville could trump that with just SC fans and the other three teams fans.

 

[triaddukefan]

If SC wants to have those guarantees, they need better turnout.

I went to last year's regional in Greensboro and I was shocked that SC didn't have better representation. UConn goes to Albany/Bridgeport/as close as they can reasonably get to Storrs because they sell tickets.

I'll defend the chickens on this one. Yes the turnout wasnt great this past year.... but they had already been basted by Baylor earlier in the season..... and knew they were gonna be basted playing them again. I was there in 2015.... and there were plenty of chickens in the crowd

 

[triaddukefan]

Portland had the best attendance of the Regional sites for both rounds held there last year. Wasn't particularly close. Greensboro was fairly weak. This is straight from the NCAA's website. Couldn't figure out how to link it.

Semifinal:

Albany 8765
Chicago 7715
Greensboro 6544
Portland 11,324

Final:

Albany 9204
Chicago 5555
Greensboro 4164
Portland 11,538

This Greensboro disrespect needs to stop... and needs to stop now. I'd like to see what the attendance for a Iowa Baylor final would have been like in Albany or Portland.

 

[mbr33ct]

Why is that? UConn went to Albany as a 2. I highly doubt any other SEC team will be in Greenville over SC unless they’re a 1 seed.

All you need to do is look over Charlie's brackets/regionals, it's not another SEC team that sits at the #2 seed spot in Greenville, that honor went to Maryland. Why you suppose he didn't place South Carolina there as a #2?

On the flip side, I would bet Charlie would have had no choice but to place South Carolina in Greenville if they were a #1 seed...all I'm saying.

 

[SCspur]

All you need to do is look over Charlie's brackets/regionals, it's not another SEC team that sits at the #2 seed spot in Greenville, that honor went to Maryland. Why you suppose he didn't place South Carolina there as a #2?

On the flip side, I would bet Charlie would have had no choice but to place South Carolina in Greenville if they were a #1 seed...all I'm saying.

Well first off I don’t trust Charlie whatsoever. He’s always been impartial to SC and he didn’t even had the region labeled correctly when it initially released. Also why are you going by this preseason bracket if a game hasn’t been played yet? He has Miss St there as a 3 seed which is doubtful considering they would have to fly and SC could just bus there. Everything is just projected at this point.

Every year he preaches the S-curve and travel but place SC as far away from home as possible. You can be sure everyone in SC will be outraged if sent elsewhere especially when the Committee consistently placed Kentucky in Lexington, ND in Lexington, Oregon in Portland, and UConn in Albany/Bridgeport.

 

[triaddukefan]

Was so outraged that I didnt even get around to looking at the projected bracket. Early thoughts have Depaul and UCF too high. And Arizona State

 

[mbr33ct]

Well first off I don’t trust Charlie whatsoever. He’s always been impartial to SC and he didn’t even had the region labeled correctly when it initially released. Also why are you going by this preseason bracket if a game hasn’t been played yet? He has Miss St there as a 3 seed which is doubtful considering they would have to fly and SC could just bus there. Everything is just projected at this point.

Every year he preaches the S-curve and travel but place SC as far away from home as possible. You can be sure everyone in SC will be outraged if sent elsewhere especially when the Committee consistently placed Kentucky in Lexington, ND in Lexington, Oregon in Portland, and UConn in Albany/Bridgeport.

If I'm not mistaken this thread is all about Charlie Creme's "Pre Season Bracketology". I'm not the only the one talking about it...the only thing we got going right now. I will stand by my original comment, the only guarantee SC has to be placed in Greenville is for them to a #1 seed.

I don't know and don't care what Charlie preaches every year, his brackets are meant to generate some conversations...as this thread has done very well. We all know there's only one bracket that counts in the end.

 

[SCspur]

If I'm not mistaken this thread is all about Charlie Creme's "Pre Season Bracketology". I'm not the only the one talking about it...the only thing we got going right now. I will stand by my original comment, the only guarantee SC has to be placed in Greenville is for them to a #1 seed.

I don't know and don't care what Charlie preaches every year, his brackets are meant to generate some conversations...as this thread has done very well. We all know there's only one bracket that counts in the end.

No one ever said you did have to stand by your statement but it’s a premature one. Like I said a game hasn’t been played yet so the “talk” is meaningless.

 

[Plebe]

Was so outraged that I didnt even get around to looking at the projected bracket. Early thoughts have Depaul and UCF too high. And Arizona State

 

[Lorcan]

Beatrice who? How many other teams kept Miami’s star to six points last season?

Underestimate Charli and the best Devils in the nation at your own peril.

 

[Vowelguy]

No one ever said you did have to stand by your statement but it’s a premature one. Like I said a game hasn’t been played yet so the “talk” is meaningless.

Since no one on this board is playing/coaching* in the games, isn't all the "talk" here meaningless?



* Other than frequent BY lurker Geno.

 

[SCspur]

Since no one on this board is playing/coaching* in the games, isn't all the "talk" here meaningless?



* Other than frequent BY lurker Geno.

All the speculated talk sure but once the season gets started topics will definitely have meaning.

 

[Alydar]

Nah. Not putting SC in Greenville would be almost like not putting UConn in Albany.
Plus teams like tamu and miss st aren't close at all.

If SC is inked in for Greenville then no other SEC top 16 seed can go there. (Unless the SEC has 5 in the top 16 and I doubt that. So if say NCSt were to win the SEC title and Tourn. then the committee would have to send NCSt to Indiana? I'd love to hear them rationalize that move as being in the best interests of the sport instead of just a money grab.

 

[Vowelguy]

If SC is inked in for Greenville then no other SEC top 16 seed can go there. (Unless the SEC has 5 in the top 16 and I doubt that. So if say NCSt were to win the SEC title and Tourn. then the committee would have to send NCSt to Indiana? I'd love to hear them rationalize that move as being in the best interests of the sport instead of just a money grab.

First someone would have to explain how ACC member NC St managed to sneak into the SEC tournament.

 

[Vowelguy]

Here is the SEC preseason media poll. Bolded are the only teams remotely close to GRSC.

1. South Carolina​

2. Texas A&M​

3. Mississippi State​

4. Kentucky​

5. Arkansas​

6. Tennessee​

7. Auburn​

8. LSU​

9. Missouri​

 

[triaddukefan]

First someone would have to explain how ACC member NC St managed to sneak into the SEC tournament.

Well there are some State fans who wouldn't mind them joining the SEC in order to escape the shadow of that school up the road... Kinda like TAMU and Texas. Perhaps they will get their wish in the next week or so

 

[Vowelguy]

Well there are some State fans who wouldn't mind them joining the SEC in order to escape the shadow of that school up the road... Kinda like TAMU and Texas. Perhaps they will get their wish in the next week or so

Yes I have wondered about that, though I dont think there's anywhere close to the animosity there was in TX. Plus NC is not nearly as outsized powerful in the ACC as TX was/is in the B12.

 

[Alydar]

Here is the SEC preseason media poll. Bolded are the only teams remotely close to GRSC.

1. South Carolina​

2. Texas A&M​

3. Mississippi State​

4. Kentucky​

5. Arkansas​

6. Tennessee​

7. Auburn​

8. LSU​

9. Missouri​

The media also has Baylor & Oregon as 1's. Baylor gts Dallas while the west region 1 seed will likely go to the PAC12 champ so that leaves Indiana and Carolina for the other two 1 seeds. If SC gets Greenville and say the ACC champ gets a 1 seed? Where does the SEC champ go if they aren't the Gamecocks?
I understand the desire for attendance. But there is a limit.

 

[Vowelguy]

The media also has Baylor & Oregon as 1's. Baylor gts Dallas while the west region 1 seed will likely go to the PAC12 champ so that leaves Indiana and Carolina for the other two 1 seeds. If SC gets Greenville and say the ACC champ gets a 1 seed? Where does the SEC champ go if they aren't the Gamecocks?
I understand the desire for attendance. But there is a limit.

Which SEC team do you want to put in Greenville? TAMU, which is nearly 1,000 miles away? MissSt , 450 miles?
OBVIOUSLY, anyone can think of a higher specific situation where everything lines up to make it unavoidable that SC isnt in Greenville.

But I maintain that is not a high probability event.

Similarly,
Q: What are the odds that a PAC12 champ outside Oregon ends up in Portland?
A: Not high

 

[nwhoopfan]

Similarly,
Q: What are the odds that a PAC12 champ outside Oregon ends up in Portland?
A: Not high

Wouldn't that depend on who the champ was if not Oregon? Certainly Oregon St. would make just as much sense if they won. Also, why would Stanford get shipped to Ft. Wayne or Greenville rather than PDX if they won?

In '18 #2 seed Oregon was in Spokane. In '17 #2 seed Oregon St. was in Stockton, CA. '16 #2 seed Arizona St. was in Sioux Falls, SD. '15 #3 seed Oregon St. would've been in Spokane (they didn't make it that far). I'm not gonna keep going back further, but it looks fairly apparent that one Pac 12 team will be in the West Regional and everybody else will get shipped out. Not sure why this year would be different.

 

[Alydar]

Which SEC team do you want to put in Greenville? TAMU, which is nearly 1,000 miles away? MissSt , 450 miles?
OBVIOUSLY, anyone can think of a higher specific situation where everything lines up to make it unavoidable that SC isnt in Greenville.

But I maintain that is not a high probability event.

Similarly,
Q: What are the odds that a PAC12 champ outside Oregon ends up in Portland?
A: Not high

MissSt , 450 miles

- That's a lot closer than Indiana or Portland? Should the SEC champ (TAMU) get no better than a 2 if Baylor does what it was supposed to do?

I'm sure the NCAA wants SC in Greenville but Dawn's going to have to make it easy for them. Greenville may not be close for a lot of SEC teams but neither are the other sites in most cases.

 

[triaddukefan]

Beatrice who? How many other teams kept Miami’s star to six points last season?

Underestimate Charli and the best Devils in the nation at your own peril.

Iowa state held her to five points.

 

[garddog]

Make it so Charlie! Easiest cake walk Mississippi State has had the last several years.

 

[Vowelguy]

Wouldn't that depend on who the champ was if not Oregon? Certainly Oregon St. would make just as much sense if they won. Also, why would Stanford get shipped to Ft. Wayne or Greenville rather than PDX if they won?

In '18 #2 seed Oregon was in Spokane. In '17 #2 seed Oregon St. was in Stockton, CA. '16 #2 seed Arizona St. was in Sioux Falls, SD. '15 #3 seed Oregon St. would've been in Spokane (they didn't make it that far). I'm not gonna keep going back further, but it looks fairly apparent that one Pac 12 team will be in the West Regional and everybody else will get shipped out. Not sure why this year would be different.

1) yes of course there will be only 1 pac team in the top 4 in Portland. That’s the rule
2) by “outside Oregon” I meant the state — so either ore or ore st
3) yes, if Stanford outright wins the PAC regular and tourney then they leave the committee with no choice. But if there is even the slightest wiggle room , and say split results, it will go to a team from OR.